Yhwach & Aizen vs Gio Gio & Kumagawa Misogi

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#1  Edited By Tobi-wan

Yhwach will the powers of all the sternritter and The Almighty with Aizen who has complete hypnosis.

Gio Gio with Gold Experience Requiem and Misogi Kumagawa with All Fiction

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#2  Edited By Mr_NoFunAllowed

Either member of team 2 can solo.

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@mr_nofunallowed: Yhwach probably but I think you're overestimating Aizen I don't know if he solos

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#4  Edited By Mr_NoFunAllowed

@tobi-wan: I mean, Giorno or Misogi can solo in my opinion.

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All Fiction is just a better Almighty, don't want to get into GER.

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Who is the guys from team 2?

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@ultrashaggy: Kumagawa is from Medaka box, he's bare minimum a universal+ reality warper. He can erase events from time itself

Gio is from Jojo, GER is unaffected by the flow of time and can negate attacks

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#8  Edited By Wanderez

GER stopms easily. Dont know anything about Kumagawa.

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@wanderez: He can deny the aspects of reality, turning the target into fiction(?) or smthg like that. He also has time stop if i remember correctly and several other hax

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#10  Edited By Wot_m8

From what I know of All Fiction, It is just a 10x better version of Almighty so he solos.

GER is just literally lol nope bs to everything. So he solos as well.

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Team 2

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aizen KS and bfr bruv

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From what I heard from Kumawaga he probably solos.

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If we take nlf , then Almihgty supposed to be able to just negate requiem .

Also , is the second guy is Kuwabara from YYH ?

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#15  Edited By SagaTheLegend

@mrviking: Well Yhwach negated Ichibe's Power/Minor Conceptual Manipulation throught Bankai and also negated Ichibe's attempt at killing Yhwach instantly and permanently with his power. He negating GER might be a possibility.

The other guy is Kumawaga from Medaka Box.

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@mrviking: Well Yhwach negated Ichibe's Power/Minor Conceptual Manipulation throught Bankai and also negated Ichibe's attempt at killing Yhwach instantly and permanently with his power. He negating GER might be a possibility.

The other guy is Kumawaga from Medaka Box.

Ok.

Kumagawa , so not kuwabara , thats sad .

Does he have any hax ability ?

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@mrviking: He can erase things from existence with an ability called All Fiction and can hit people with an special screw that is part of his ability Bookmarker to seal an opponent's powers, physical and mental abilities, making them go down to his level of power.

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kumagawa basically has all the things that yhwach negated and threw in the trash

and all fiction cant work on things kumagawa doesnt perceive

requiem is a hard 1

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Kumagawa solos effortlessly

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Kumagawa neg diffs.

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@ymirgod: I know what you're getting from that because the minute he knows that they're there, he all fictions the entire room and messes them all over.

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Misogi blinks their verse along, and solos his own teammate and his verse with all fiction.

His weapon, bookmaker, is beyond Outerversal and it is a meta-narrative ability that can seal anyone that you know of.

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Either Yhwach or Aizen can solo passive.

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Giorno passively solos. GER might as well have been a big middle finger for the Almighty.

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Team Two no-diffs

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Giorno passively solos. GER might as well have been a big middle finger for the Almighty.

miracle(Miracle Manifestation & Probability Manipulation) + visionary(Imagination Realization) +

Antithesis (Event reversal) + The Balance(Misfortune Redirection)

+ All mighty(Omni-Precognition, Future manipulation).

Also Giorno still needs to bring out the stand first so it's only semi passive.

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@cryolancer47 said:

Giorno passively solos. GER might as well have been a big middle finger for the Almighty.

miracle(Miracle Manifestation & Probability Manipulation) + visionary(Imagination Realization) +

Antithesis (Event reversal) + The Balance(Misfortune Redirection)

+ All mighty(Omni-Precognition, Future manipulation).

Also Giorno still needs to bring out the stand first so it's only semi passive.

1. I doubt he can use any of these once GER is active. Since Diavolo himself could no longer use King Crimson's hax. And many of these, such as Antithesis, require activation.

2. Antithesis requires the user to personally activate it. And I believe The Balance has the same condition.

3. Miracle won't matter since it hasn't shown the ability to adapt to hax as potent as Giorno's.

4. Almighty requires Yhwach to personally activate it first to use it. And needs to act. It's not just passive. Otherwise, he would've stomped Ichigo & Aizen and not get tricked.

5. GER acts on it's own. It has it's own free will. Giorno didn't bring it out. It did so on it's own.

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#30  Edited By Bossmountain
@cryolancer47 said:
@bossmountain said:
@cryolancer47 said:

Giorno passively solos. GER might as well have been a big middle finger for the Almighty.

miracle(Miracle Manifestation & Probability Manipulation) + visionary(Imagination Realization) +

Antithesis (Event reversal) + The Balance(Misfortune Redirection)

+ All mighty(Omni-Precognition, Future manipulation).

Also Giorno still needs to bring out the stand first so it's only semi passive.

1. I doubt he can use any of these once GER is active. Since Diavolo himself could no longer use King Crimson's hax. And many of these, such as Antithesis, require activation.

2. Antithesis requires the user to personally activate it. And I believe The Balance has the same condition.

3. Miracle won't matter since it hasn't shown the ability to adapt to hax as potent as Giorno's.

4. Almighty requires Yhwach to personally activate it first to use it. And needs to act. It's not just passive. Otherwise, he would've stomped Ichigo & Aizen and not get tricked.

5. GER acts on it's own. It has it's own free will. Giorno didn't bring it out. It did so on it's own.

All stands act on the own when there powers are first introduce and user isn't aware the stand's power . We see this with Star palatium, Spice girls and C moon. Plus Giorno got one shotted in Jorge Joestar by Rohan's heaven door because he didn't have his stand out. GER gets blitz by the World over heaven in eyes of heaven to. None of this canon but consider that GER only has 1 canonically battle. there isn't enough data to suggest this and the bonus material non canon material doesn't support it.

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#31  Edited By Ilyas97

The downplay of bleach is insane.. comments like „misogi neg difficulties“

It’s definitely a Draw since neither of the two teams can kill each other. Yhwach has literally multiversal range since he sees „Infinite“ futures and not to mention Aizens Kyouka Suigetsu literally bypasses such abilities as stated in the manga,

Misogi will keep coming back and so will juha and aizen

GER just restarts the whole event and doesn’t do any damage: Yhwach might be able to see GER manipulation and nullify it.

Plus GER and Misogi doesn’t resist soul level attacks and soul erasure.

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GER solos no diff

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@bossmountain: GER acts on its own.

Jorge Joestar is non canon.

Eyes of Heaven is also non canon and is literally immune to GER/it’s hax.

Also comparing people with their first time stands to someone who has had his stands for bare minimum months is not the same. Not a good example.

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#34  Edited By VarricPatermann
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@varricpatermann: nope they can't

They can. Kumagawa is irrelevant here, he has no soul resistance and no feats to compete against people like Aizen or Yhwach. He need soul resistance, or he simply loses here, thats how it works. Fodder like Kumagawa couldn´t even beat Iihiko who could resist hax with physical stats alone which tops around building level, which is even fodder to Yhwach and Aizen statwise.

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Multiversal range lmfao. what a trashcan fanbase

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@varricpatermann: no he could resist hax with his ability get your facts straight. Aizen and yhwach are not irrelevant or even close to kumagawa in power and hax, do I need to remind you what he can do. He doesn't need such trivial things when they can't put him down and he can simply erase there BS concept.

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Might go with Yhwach for resistance to Causality Manipulation if it's what I recall correctly, but god damn All Fiction is broken. Aizen no clue.

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@varricpatermann: no he could resist hax with his ability get your facts straight.

He can resist hax which only exist in his verse. Soul manipulation, soul destruction and more isn´t part of it. Argue that Kumagawa can resist non-existent hax in his verse, because an ability falls under NLF.

Aizen and yhwach are not irrelevant or even close to kumagawa in power and hax, do I need to remind you what he can do.

What now? Are they irrelevant or not? Kumagawa can´t even perceive Aizen, Yhwach has enough ways to oneshot Kumagawa, who couldn´t even beat Iihiko.

He doesn't need such trivial things when they can't put him down and he can simply erase there BS concept.

There is no issue to go with the route of Kumagawas lacks of resistant feats. He has shown resistance to such abilities, then they can´t but him down. He hasn´t shown such abilities, then they do. Everything else moves into a area of speculation, less in a accurate way to debate.

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Juha dog walks misogi and Giorno.

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he solos on his own

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#42  Edited By Ilyas97

@agustos: nope. Juha power nulls it and dog walks. Plus Misogis durability is like building level, how is he damaging Juha or Aizen in any way? It’s just like putting Gerard against a DB character, plus misogi has never shown to comeback from his soul being erased which is something Juha does since he’s a Quincy or He could use Skalaverei and absorb them both or use the medallion to steal their powers. Many ways Juha wins and misogis all fiction doesn’t counter the almighty or Kyouka suigetsu in anyway lol.

The panel literally shows that he’s a Reality Warper and nothing more than that.

If he seems unkillable to Juha and Aizen which I doubt since he has not displayed such crazy feats, Aizen would definitely come up with a Sealing technique because once he realizes that he can’t be killed than he seals him.

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he solos on his own

Cool he's Gremmy tier lol, someone who already got dabbed on by a weaker Yhwach.

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#46  Edited By reaperace  Moderator

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