Wolverine vs Deathstroke (Read)
"Fighting BatMan, Nightwing, and Robin is different than fighting the Titans. Against the Titans, Deathstroke will be using his tactical genius to outmaneuver and out-strategize them, as well as utilize his weaponry to the full extent. Against BatMan, Nightwing, and Robin, all three are strategic geniuses and will be using close-quarter combat. Completely different scenarios.
I was trying to explain how even with 90% of his brainpower and heightened reflexes and super strength he can still be knocked on his ass even though in earlier scans you showed with impulse had him pwning the teen titans. In crisis, though batman KO'd him with little assistance from Robin and Nightwing.
Here's the panel directly after the fight Still looking for the exchange.. "
Massively pissed off and going after Viper, Logan gets stopped by Rogue who uses her power of touch, even that isn't enough to take Logan down after a prolonged stay:
1. http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/...esspwrs2yg8.jpg
2. http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/...uespowrsnl4.jpg
"Again, what does this prove? Fighting Rogue and fighting Deathstroke are completely different. There are no comparisons that can be made.
Massively pissed off and going after Viper, Logan gets stopped by Rogue who uses her power of touch, even that isn't enough to take Logan down after a prolonged stay:
1. http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/...esspwrs2yg8.jpg
2. http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/...uespowrsnl4.jpg "
@OblivionKnight said:
" I don't know enough on Deathstroke to truly say anything, but I'm interested as to why you guys say he will take wolverine down. ( I'm honestly wondering. Not being an a$$hole) "Because he can think 9 times faster than normal humans, has a healing factor, has superhuman senses, stamina, speed, and strength. He has defeated BatMan more than once. With prep, he has defeated the Justice League. He has single-handedly defeated the Titans, including members such as Donna Troy, Raven, Starfire, and Kid Flash. He has reflexes that allow him to dodge bullets point blank from opponents only a few feet away from him and that allow him to react to Kid Flash. He has outmaneuvered SuperMan. He has lasted underwater for extended periods of time. Presumably as a result of his healing factor, he has survived punches from Superboy, and Deathstroke took myriads of bullet wounds from Ravager to his chest and still defeated him. Deathstroke is a beast. Wolverine has been downed by Daredevil using a nerve strike. Deathstroke is more than capable of the same thing.
I know this is not canon.
But I think the fight will be like this.
(non 616) Wolverine sneaks up on Deathstroke, dodges him, and hits him so hard that it nearly knocks him out:
1. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...thstrokekg6.jpg
2. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...hstroke2kb3.jpg
3. http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/...hstroke3yg1.jpg
(non 616) Deathstroke cheapshots Wolverine with his power staff, Wolverine gets up and is fighting immediately:
1. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...hstroke6jm5.jpg
(non 616) In a second hand to hand encounter Wolverine and Deathstroke are seen dodging eachothers hits:
1. http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/...hstroke7ei4.jpg
2. http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/...hstroke8qf4.jpg
I think Wolves has the advantage because he is use to this environment.
" I know this is not canon.Non-canon is the key word. Irrelevant. Easily refutable. Once again, proves nothing.
But I think the fight will be like this.
(non 616) Wolverine sneaks up on Deathstroke, dodges him, and hits him so hard that it nearly knocks him out:
1. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...thstrokekg6.jpg
2. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...hstroke2kb3.jpg
3. http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/...hstroke3yg1.jpg
(non 616) Deathstroke cheapshots Wolverine with his power staff, Wolverine gets up and is fighting immediately:
1. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...hstroke6jm5.jpg
(non 616) In a second hand to hand encounter Wolverine and Deathstroke are seen dodging eachothers hits:
1. http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/...hstroke7ei4.jpg
2. http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/...hstroke8qf4.jpg I think Wolves has the advantage because he is use to this environment. "
" I don't know enough on Deathstroke to truly say anything, but I'm interested as to why you guys say he will take wolverine down. ( I'm honestly wondering. Not being an a$$hole) "I've already debated before how.
He has faaster reaction time( since he has the feats to prove this and he can use the 90% of his brain ). Also DD had taken Logan out with a nerve strike. If Slade try to use one he can win too.
Also i think his promethium sword MIGHT be able to cut logan.
I think these reason and some others like his tactical intellect, are enough to prove he can win.
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@Silver2467 said:
" @SmoothJammin said:Very true, i agree."Fighting BatMan, Nightwing, and Robin is different than fighting the Titans. Against the Titans, Deathstroke will be using his tactical genius to outmaneuver and out-strategize them, as well as utilize his weaponry to the full extent. Against BatMan, Nightwing, and Robin, all three are strategic geniuses and will be using close-quarter combat. Completely different scenarios. "
I was trying to explain how even with 90% of his brainpower and heightened reflexes and super strength he can still be knocked on his ass even though in earlier scans you showed with impulse had him pwning the teen titans. In crisis, though batman KO'd him with little assistance from Robin and Nightwing.
Here's the panel directly after the fight Still looking for the exchange.. "
@TheDEMON! said:
" I know this is not canon.Since you know that are non canons, why did you show them then?
But I think the fight will be like this.
(non 616) Wolverine sneaks up on Deathstroke, dodges him, and hits him so hard that it nearly knocks him out:
1. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...thstrokekg6.jpg
2. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...hstroke2kb3.jpg
3. http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/...hstroke3yg1.jpg
(non 616) Deathstroke cheapshots Wolverine with his power staff, Wolverine gets up and is fighting immediately:
1. http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/...hstroke6jm5.jpg
(non 616) In a second hand to hand encounter Wolverine and Deathstroke are seen dodging eachothers hits:
1. http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/...hstroke7ei4.jpg
2. http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/...hstroke8qf4.jpg I think Wolves has the advantage because he is use to this environment. "
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" @TheDEMON!: That hypothesis is ridiculous. Wolverine hitting Slade so hard that he is almost knocked unconscious is absurd. Deathstroke has taken blows from Superboy. Wolverine could never hit him that hard. "It was just a thought of how the fight will be like.
@spidey 15: I wasn't really saying if anyone would win. Just asking how Slade would compare up against Wolverine. However, I've seen the scans posted and I can agree that Slade could take this.
Hey I have a question.
Did you use to go on Electricferret.
Because you remide me of someone.
" @King-Stranglehold da first: No, what did i do to remind you another guy?This guy name Withe wraith because you two always put smily faces in ya post.
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@OblivionKnight: I didn't say that you said that someone will win. I just explained you how slade can win. =D "
" @OblivionKnight: Deathstroke would defeat SpiderMan. "How?
Morels yes but bloodlusted questionable.
" @Silver2467 said:With Morals Slade wins. Without, it goes to spidey." @OblivionKnight: Deathstroke would defeat SpiderMan. "How? Morels yes but bloodlusted questionable. "
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@King-Stranglehold da first said:
" @spidey 15 said:LOL, really? And i thought, i was the only one...lol" @King-Stranglehold da first: No, what did i do to remind you another guy?This guy name Withe wraith because you two always put smily faces in ya post. "
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@OblivionKnight: I didn't say that you said that someone will win. I just explained you how slade can win. =D "
XD
I approach it like this. Anybody has the capability to knock anybody out.You're talking about the generalship DS exudes when he's facing a threat like wolverine who imo is virtually the toughest character in all of marvel, a throwback fighter who won't back down to anyone but more importantly he'll always get back up on his feet.They're polar opposites but its what makes this such a toss up, you can make the argument his sword can cut through logans bone but where is the proof?
My point is if he can endure this, what the hell is a nerve strike going to do if it's not telegraphed? Wolverine is going to fight rabid as all hell but intelligently to protect his ideals. Deathstroke just offed someone close to him. This isn't your typical, jerk ass mood logan--he's defending himself against a contract killer. He underestimated DD and it cost him but in the grander scope of things he'd come into this knowing his life was on the line and his grit would push him through this if nothing else. The difference here is deathstroke wouldn't be trying to render him unconscious, he's looking for the big kill. You have to keep in mind wolverine has studied the terrain after having been there for two weeks. Using that logic you could say the territorial advantage goes to him and he can use that against an unprepared hitman with a sword.. who shoots the woman first, then the kid. I think wolverine is a survivalist and he still has every advantage in this scenario.
Oh yes, he didn't underestimate DD. In the fight Logan was at beserker rage, you can't underestimate someone when you are sooo mad.
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you can make the argument his sword can cut through logans bone but where is the "In theory, he wouldn't need to cut through his bones, just through his muscles and tendons. Although, it would probably be immensely difficult.
Not arguing for either side in this fight, just thought I'd point that out.
" @King-Stranglehold da first said:Unless Deathstroke has prep, but that goes without saying." @Silver2467 said:With Morals Slade wins. Without, it goes to spidey." @OblivionKnight: Deathstroke would defeat SpiderMan. "How? Morels yes but bloodlusted questionable. "
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"Nice pic.I approach it like this. Anybody has the capability to knock anybody out.You're talking about the generalship DS exudes when he's facing a threat like wolverine who imo is virtually the toughest character in all of marvel, a throwback fighter who won't back down to anyone but more importantly he'll always get back up on his feet.They're polar opposites but its what makes this such a toss up, you can make the argument his sword can cut through logans bone but where is the proof?
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My point is if he can endure this, what the hell is a nerve strike going to do if it's not telegraphed? Wolverine is going to fight rabid as all hell but intelligently to protect his ideals. Deathstroke just offed someone close to him. This isn't your typical, jerk ass mood logan--he's defending himself against a contract killer. He underestimated DD and it cost him but in the grander scope of things he'd come into this knowing his life was on the line and his grit would push him through this if nothing else. The difference here is deathstroke wouldn't be trying to render him unconscious, he's looking for the big kill. You have to keep in mind wolverine has studied the terrain after having been there for two weeks. Using that logic you could say the territorial advantage goes to him and he can use that against an unprepared hitman with a sword.. who shoots the woman first, then the kid. I think wolverine is a survivalist and he still has every advantage in this scenario.
" @spidey 15 said:True......" @King-Stranglehold da first said:Unless Deathstroke has prep, but that goes without saying. "" @Silver2467 said:With Morals Slade wins. Without, it goes to spidey." @OblivionKnight: Deathstroke would defeat SpiderMan. "How? Morels yes but bloodlusted questionable. "
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" @spidey 15 said:Indeed." @King-Stranglehold da first said:Unless Deathstroke has prep, but that goes without saying. "" @Silver2467 said:With Morals Slade wins. Without, it goes to spidey." @OblivionKnight: Deathstroke would defeat SpiderMan. "How? Morels yes but bloodlusted questionable. "
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" Slade's murders Wolvie without trouble, then goes off to make a new set of bear carpets... "Can you explain why instead of saying random things.
@SmoothJammin said:
"I approach it like this. Anybody has the capability to knock anybody out.You're talking about the generalship DS exudes when he's facing a threat like wolverine who imo is virtually the toughest character in all of marvel, a throwback fighter who won't back down to anyone but more importantly he'll always get back up on his feet.They're polar opposites but its what makes this such a toss up, you can make the argument his sword can cut through logans bone but where is the proof?
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My point is if he can endure this, what the hell is a nerve strike going to do if it's not telegraphed? Wolverine is going to fight rabid as all hell but intelligently to protect his ideals. Deathstroke just offed someone close to him. This isn't your typical, jerk ass mood logan--he's defending himself against a contract killer. He underestimated DD and it cost him but in the grander scope of things he'd come into this knowing his life was on the line and his grit would push him through this if nothing else. The difference here is deathstroke wouldn't be trying to render him unconscious, he's looking for the big kill. You have to keep in mind wolverine has studied the terrain after having been there for two weeks. Using that logic you could say the territorial advantage goes to him and he can use that against an unprepared hitman with a sword.. who shoots the woman first, then the kid. I think wolverine is a survivalist and he still has every advantage in this scenario.
Agreed.
i do believe death stroke would win he uses 90% of his brain capacity so he is extremely smart. i would think the battle would be grim but i think it might be quick.
" @TheDEMON! said:While I concur that this given situation would be a win for Slade...let it be known that is far from a Wolverine beserk moment. Wolverine in all reality hasnt entered into a real rage in some time, years actually. The rage that he willed himself into with Mr. X was bullshit. The last real rage we saw Logan in was with Marrow after she stabbed him in the neck. Enraged Logan doesnt think, at all, he doesnt talk, he will attack friend or foe. Writers have dumbed it down from Logan killing an entire village of innocents (men woman and children in a rage after finding Silver Fox dead and getting out of his pit) to stoping to help save a child in a burning car (in Wolverine Origins vs Deadpool.) The only real chance I think Logan has here is in very tight quarters in his non bullshit rage...wich we will probably never see again." I'm gone have to say Wolverine ftw. He is in his beseker mode. Nice match. "At his beserker rage, Wolverine went down by daredevil when he landed a nerve strike on him. Slade's reflexes are enough to dodge most of Slade's hits.
Hulk is neither as fast or skilled as Slade so stop using ABC logic. Wolverine went against Thor twice and thor totally raped him. Neither he went toe to toe with Sentry. Sentry totally humiliate him.
Here is Logan at his beresker being owned by a nerve strike
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" @Doombert: While i agree this wasn't a full beserk moment. Logan was pretty mad in this fight IIRC. Even spiderman during this fight( yes, spiderman was also there ) tried to remind to Logan that they are his friends, but Logan was too mad to understand that. I'm pretty sure in thid fight, Logan will be at his full beserker rage, but i still see Slade winning this due to some advantages he has over Logan. =] "Ya, no argument here here, Slade does have some serious advantages. Doesnt mean I wouldnt like to see the fight though! =D Will be entertaining and I dont think Slade will walk away unscathed.
" @spidey 15 said:" @Doombert: While i agree this wasn't a full beserk moment. Logan was pretty mad in this fight IIRC. Even spiderman during this fight( yes, spiderman was also there ) tried to remind to Logan that they are his friends, but Logan was too mad to understand that. I'm pretty sure in thid fight, Logan will be at his full beserker rage, but i still see Slade winning this due to some advantages he has over Logan. =] "Ya, no argument here here, Slade does have some serious advantages. Doesnt mean I wouldnt like to see the fight though! =D Will be entertaining and I dont think Slade will walk away unscathed. "
How. I am not saying Deathstroke sucks or anything.
But
1.Wolverine is use to the environment
2.Deathstroke has no prep.
3.Wolverine is in his beserker mode.
4.Deathstoke killed somebody Wolves loved.
5.For that Wo9lverine is going all out.
6.Good healing factor.
The thing about Slade is that he is a genius and one of the best Martial Artists in the world. If he was hired by Shield he would have so much info on Logan that he would find a way to eliminate his healing factor. Slade is much to smart for Wolverine, all he needs is equipment to win this fight. If he has to get up close and personal than he could easily do so, not even Robin could defeat Slade once in melee combat. Wolverine does not stand a chance....
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