Wolverine vs. Darth Maul

EU or G-Canon Maul?

Unless A Lightsaber Can Melt Adamantium, Wolverine Wins.

Darth Maul. Maul can force choke Logan until he dies.

"Darth Maul. Maul can force choke Logan until he dies. "

" @sxgt: You have yet to answer my question though. Is this EU or G-Canon Maul? "

" I will say Wolverine, Wolverine can't die and i dont see what Darth Maul can do to kill Wolverine, eventually Maul will tire out and get killed, or mabye a lightsaber could affect Wolverines bones, heat them up or something, i dont know what it would do to Wolverine "

I would think a lightsaber can melt through Adamantium, it goes through everything else just fine. So- swipe, swipe, swipe- dead or not Wolverine's left in 6 or 7 pieces. Darth Maul all the way.

Forget it. I will simply give two different explanations. 
 
Wolverine may be able to defeat G-Canon Maul but in no way easily. I probably could make the case that Maul could win that, but I would rather leave that alone. 
 
EU Maul, on the other hand, would win without question. Elektra, Daredevil, and Captain America, if I remember correctly, have all gained the upper hand against a bloodlusted Wolverine. Maul can do the same with less effort than they would put into it. He has the definite speed and agility advantage. Not to mention, if Logan is bloodlusted, chances are he will not be utilizing his combat expertise the way he should. That also plays to Maul's benefit. Even if Wolverine did apply his skills though, considering Maul's superiority in speed, his acrobatics by use of Speed and Jump, and his Jar'Kai dueling skill, he very well still may be able to manage to down Logan. Now, lightsabers may not be able to cut through adamantium, but Maul can slash the rest of Logan's flesh. Logan has been defeated by less than repeated saber strikes throughout his body. Just for the sake of argument, assuming it did require Maul to practically disembowel Logan to beat him, he could accomplish that, however much time and however many lightsaber slashes it may take. This is not even addressing Maul's Telekinesis either. Overall, EU Maul has what it takes to defeat Wolverine. EU Maul for the win. 

I think people vastly over estimate the battle effectiveness of the force. It isn't an instant win ability. Using the force requires concentration and focus, there is a reason why offensive force abilities rarely rears their head during light saber duals outside of the odd force push. Maul snatching Logan with a force choke during combat is extremely unlikely.
 
Wolverine has dealt with characters with similar power sets before. Telepathic, telekinetics with considerable MA skill is nothing new. He has beaten several, some of which could turn intangible or were pyrokeneitcs as well, berserker Wolverine completely overwhelmed Psylocke in melee, she was helpless against him until a third party interfered.  Energy based weapons aren't anything he hasn't encountered either, and frankly the Marvel U is significantly more technologically advanced, and light sabers can't even cut through anything in the Starwars universe. Don't really see Maul having what it takes to beat Wolverine regardless of what continuity we are using.

" I think people vastly over estimate the battle effectiveness of the force. It isn't an instant win ability. Using the force requires concentration and focus, there is a reason why offensive force abilities rarely rears their head during light saber duals outside of the odd force push. Maul snatching Logan with a force choke during combat is extremely unlikely.  Wolverine has dealt with characters with similar power sets before. Telepathic, telekinetics with considerable MA skill is nothing new. He has beaten several, some of which could turn intangible or were pyrokeneitcs as well, berserker Wolverine completely overwhelmed Psylocke in melee, she was helpless against him until a third party interfered.  Energy based weapons aren't anything he hasn't encountered either, and frankly the Marvel U is significantly more technologically advanced, and light sabers can't even cut through anything in the Starwars universe. Don't really see Maul having what it takes to beat Wolverine regardless of what continuity we are using. "

" @Silver2467: Aren't we talking about a focused and refreshed Maul? A Maul that has incredible hand-eye co-ordination, agility, and mid-level telekinetic abilities?  Frankly, if Vader can stop Wolverine, than Maul should be able to stop him too. Maul effectively beat 2 highly skill Jedi fighting together, and killed a Jedi master. We're talking about a more powerful version of that guy folks! "

"  @Measley: First, Maul's Choke is not similar to Vader's Choke. He has no feats with it that compare in anyway, whatsoever. If this were Vader, then he could win via Choke. Maul is not Vader. Second, Wolverine can hold his breath much longer than a normal human. The amount of time would be required to defeat him by use of Choke would be longer than you assume. Third, with Logan's constant savage attacks (as he is bloodlusted), Maul's receiving an opportunity to simply beat him with Choke is minimal. He would have to focus on reacting and counterstriking with Jar'Kai than he would using Choke. If this were a more generic telekinetic power, like Push or Throw, then it would be more likely for Maul to manage that. Fourth, Choke is not a common power for Maul to use anyway. More likely, he would attack Wolverine head on in using his lightsaber, than anything else. That in mind, even if Maul could beat Wolverine by use of Choke, the odds of him even deciding on that particular means of victory is also minimal.  "

" @thegentlemanrogue said:

" I think people vastly over estimate the battle effectiveness of the force. It isn't an instant win ability. Using the force requires concentration and focus, there is a reason why offensive force abilities rarely rears their head during light saber duals outside of the odd force push. Maul snatching Logan with a force choke during combat is extremely unlikely.  Wolverine has dealt with characters with similar power sets before. Telepathic, telekinetics with considerable MA skill is nothing new. He has beaten several, some of which could turn intangible or were pyrokeneitcs as well, berserker Wolverine completely overwhelmed Psylocke in melee, she was helpless against him until a third party interfered.  Energy based weapons aren't anything he hasn't encountered either, and frankly the Marvel U is significantly more technologically advanced, and light sabers can't even cut through anything in the Starwars universe. Don't really see Maul having what it takes to beat Wolverine regardless of what continuity we are using. "

What? You mean they can cut through anything except a certain metal in the Star Wars Universe.   Anyway, you're assuming that Maul is a Lightsaber Duelist that focuses on force powers, but that's where you're wrong. Maul simply relies on his skills when dueling opponents. Why does this matter? Because then you're entire argument that Wolverine can beat Maul because he's beaten telekinetics before is now moot! Indeed, Wolverine might stand a good chance if he used his skills, but, he's bloodlusted here and thus can't. So that means Maul can overwhelm Wolverine with a barrage of attacks and Wolverine will be too stupid to accurately block the attacks. "

" @thegentlemanrogue:  Right then. You'd agree that Lightsabers can cut skin, correct?  The force has little to nothing to do with this battle as Maul rarely if ever uses force powers, so there's no need to mention it and what you think it's capabilities are.    Calm Wolverine is far more skilled, as you can see via feats. Calm Wolverine takes less hits, has faced better opponents and is less dependent on his healing factor. The "beast" as you put it, is sloppy, he simply attacks opponents with nothing but berserk speed and strenght, which while deadly to someone slower and less skilled than Maul, it is useless against Maul as he has the speed to dodge Wolverine and the skill to effectively counter. "

" @thegentlemanrogue:  Right then. You'd agree that Lightsabers can cut skin, correct?  The force has little to nothing to do with this battle as Maul rarely if ever uses force powers, so there's no need to mention it and what you think it's capabilities are.    Calm Wolverine is far more skilled, as you can see via feats. Calm Wolverine takes less hits, has faced better opponents and is less dependent on his healing factor. The "beast" as you put it, is sloppy, he simply attacks opponents with nothing but berserk speed and strenght, which while deadly to someone slower and less skilled than Maul, it is useless against Maul as he has the speed to dodge Wolverine and the skill to effectively counter. "

" @thegentlemanrogue:  I am not here to argue Adamantium vs Lightsaber so I don't care. Right so now you've admitted that Maul can cut Wolverine's skin, this is all I need. 
 
I'm not the one who said Maul wins by force choke, thus I don't care. It is irrelevant to your debate with me.   His fighting style? I'm sorry, but I think you're missing the point of what berserk means, what can not logically fight with any style as they're only guided by rage. Prof. X, Forge, and Wolverine said berserk Wolverine is more dangerous not more skilled. That's because he's going to kill no matter what. Nothing more, nothing less. None of this is evidence of him being more skilled.   You keep saying "force users" not Maul. Tell me, what Force users has Durge beaten? And more importantly, why is Wolverine Durge times 10? "

"I think people vastly over estimate the battle effectiveness of the force. It isn't an instant win ability. Using the force requires concentration and focus, there is a reason why offensive force abilities rarely rears their head during light saber duals outside of the odd force push. Maul snatching Logan with a force choke during combat is extremely unlikely.  Wolverine has dealt with characters with similar power sets before. Telepathic, telekinetics with considerable MA skill is nothing new. He has beaten several, some of which could turn intangible or were pyrokeneitcs as well, berserker Wolverine completely overwhelmed Psylocke in melee, she was helpless against him until a third party interfered.  Energy based weapons aren't anything he hasn't encountered either, and frankly the Marvel U is significantly more technologically advanced, and light sabers can't even cut through anything in the Starwars universe. Don't really see Maul having what it takes to beat Wolverine regardless of what continuity we are using. "

" @thegentlemanrogue:  I brought of the Lightsaber thing to prove a point, that the Lightsaber can cut Wolverine's skin.  The force powers have always been irrelevant to me, I do not care if you think I was arguing for that guy who said Maul would force coke, I'm not, thus it's irrelevant.   Perfect Killer does not mean more skilled than non berserk  Wolverine. And Forge, the man who's power is being able to build stuff, knows this how? More importantly when did he say this and why should it be taken at face value. You keep saying perfect killer as if that makes him more skilled. It does not, it means he'll simply do anything to kill. Pure instinct is perfect? Really? Does that mean that there's no point in formal training at all and that everyone is just born ready to kill everything with one hit? Please avoid using such flimsy reasoning.   You mean the same Anakin who often pulls stupid stunts because he's an arrogant young punk, and the same Obi-Wan who's master was killed by Maul? Oh and before you bring up the Obi-Wan beating Maul, I should note that not only is that ABC logic, but based on what we saw in Maul's movie appearance, it is also PIS.  Proof of this 10 times theory? "

  
Garroting Wolverine like Qui-Jon won't do much when you have a healing factor. 
 

" The lightsaber doesn't need to cut through adamantium to defeat Wolverine.  He can still be incapacitated and KO'd with all of his limbs in tact.  Maul has the attributes and skill to inflict enough damage with the lightsaber to assorted regions of Wolverine.  Breaking/cutting of adamantium is not required at all. "

" @thegentlemanrogue:  I brought of the Lightsaber thing to prove a point, that the Lightsaber can cut Wolverine's skin.  The force powers have always been irrelevant to me, I do not care if you think I was arguing for that guy who said Maul would force coke, I'm not, thus it's irrelevant.   Perfect Killer does not mean more skilled than non berserk  Wolverine. And Forge, the man who's power is being able to build stuff, knows this how? More importantly when did he say this and why should it be taken at face value. You keep saying perfect killer as if that makes him more skilled. It does not, it means he'll simply do anything to kill. Pure instinct is perfect? Really? Does that mean that there's no point in formal training at all and that everyone is just born ready to kill everything with one hit? Please avoid using such flimsy reasoning.   You mean the same Anakin who often pulls stupid stunts because he's an arrogant young punk, and the same Obi-Wan who's master was killed by Maul? Oh and before you bring up the Obi-Wan beating Maul, I should note that not only is that ABC logic, but based on what we saw in Maul's movie appearance, it is also PIS.  Proof of this 10 times theory? "

" The lightsaber doesn't need to cut through adamantium to defeat Wolverine.  He can still be incapacitated and KO'd with all of his limbs in tact.  Maul has the attributes and skill to inflict enough damage with the lightsaber to assorted regions of Wolverine.  Breaking/cutting of adamantium is not required at all. "

" @thegentlemanrogue:  I disagree. Simple as that, instinct doesn't equal skill and you've presented no evidence to show otherwise.   Obi-Wan who surprised Maul with an attack Maul should have logically seen coming. Oh and Anakin is not the most powerful and skilled Jedi. He lost to Obi-Wan and it's clear cannon wise that Luke is the most powerful and skilled Jedi. "

" @thegentlemanrogue: Narrative does not make it fact. I've seen plenty of other times where it was shown that going berserk negatively effected Wolverine's skill.

" @thegentlemanrogue: Narrative does not make it fact. I've seen plenty of other times where it was shown that going berserk negatively effected Wolverine's skill.   You know what? I'm not debating this until you prove it's relevant to this battle. Prove that Wolverine is better than Durge in every way or else this entire thing is moot.   It's clear that you need to learn something about proving your claims. No dancing around my demands for evidence. "

" @Decoy Elite said:

" @thegentlemanrogue: Narrative does not make it fact. I've seen plenty of other times where it was shown that going berserk negatively effected Wolverine's skill.

I know in at least one issue fighting Sabretooth, he said as much himself, and was careful not to lose control in that fight, because he knew Sabretooth's beast was better than his, so he only had a chance of beating him "as a man." "

Whenever iv seen Logan in a berserk rage hes taking a lot more unnecessary hits them when not in it the difference is that hes not really taking any notice of it making it a lot easier to beat his opponent who just gets overwhelmed with the constant attacking