Wolverine v Batman Cage fight !

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Cage fight

Batman has no suit or gadgets.

Wolverine has no healing factor adamantium claws or bones but still has his strength durability reflexes etc.

Who wins ?

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*waiting*

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Wolverine maybe, in a hard fight.

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Whats Wolverine gonna do?

Sniff him to death

Bats should win

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Probably bats

Wolverine is an incredible fighter but he also fights how he does due to having all the things that have been taken away and its gunna hurt him.

Wolverine has lost his healing factor before and it effected him greatly.

If this is a wolverine who hasn't gotten metal skeleton yet he most likely looses

If its a wolverine that has just had that metal removed he is gunna be a lot faster and hit harder and would probably beat bats

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Batman. Without healing or claws, Bats has the upper hand. Wolverine uses his healing factor to his advantage and is willing to take the pain in order to win, but he loses without it.

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OP wolverine cannot match the likes of Bane, Deathstroke and likes...

He still has peak speeds but nothing canon Bats cant deal with. I say bats most likely wins

Bats fights without healing reguatly agaisnt the likes of Killer Croc in h2h.. Give wolverine his retractable bone claws and things could change. Right now nothing is stopping him from getting KOd since he's practiaclly human.

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@bionar said:

OP wolverine cannot match the likes of Bane, Deathstroke and likes...

He still has peak speeds but nothing canon Bats cant deal with. I say bats most likely wins

Bats fights without healing reguatly agaisnt the likes of Killer Croc in h2h.. Give wolverine his retractable bone claws and things could change. Right now nothing is stopping him from getting KOd since he's practiaclly human.

Are you saying Wolverine cannot beat Bane or Deathstroke in a fight?. That's completely false. However, if you are talking about Wolverine under these conditions specifically, it depends. He will beat Bane with or without healing and claws but Deathstroke is another story.

Wolverine is far above mere peak human when it comes to speed. We are talking about a guy who can attack so fast that he is literally invisible to the naked eye. Not a just blur mind you, but literally invisible. He has also kept up with people with legit superhuman speed too. He is definitely faster than Batman.

I am pretty sure Batman has used his fair share of gear against Croc and even then, Waylon isn't exactly a top tier combatant. You say he is practically human, but what does that make Batman?

Logan is also stronger

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Wolverine. He's capable of matching Batman's knowledge and skill, has comparable (arguably higher) physicals and the ability to take hits better than Bruce can will grant him a win.

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@giliad_ said:

Wolverine. He's capable of matching Batman's knowledge and skill, has comparable (arguably higher) physicals and the ability to take hits better than Bruce can will grant him a win.

Do you have examples? I'm actually curious and would want to read the story/stories where this occurs.

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Wolverine under this circumstance will lose to Batman. Since the thread rules favour Bats than Wolverine.

Bats has fought villians better than Wolverine in speed and reflexes. Bats can keep up with the likes of Captain America without gadgets. Wolverine dies in the cage. And you dont have to accept for it to be true.

Regular Wolverine murders Bats. But saying wolverine wins here is Lowballing the batman.

P.S: The only Bruce i acknowledge is Wayne.

Bruce Wayne

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@bionar:

Lol what's bats gonna do then ?

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@bionar: @amendment50:

How will Logan loose his attacks are soo fast the human eye cannot follow.

Also even without his healing factor he has better durability. Logan also is much stronger.

And Logan is as skilled in combat as batman he might be even more skilled because he has mastered all the martial arts and even some alien ones too.

Batman has literally no advantages or anything on his side.

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#16  Edited By brucerogers

@bionar:Wolverine under this circumstance will lose to Batman. Since the thread rules favour Bats than Wolverine.

And why exactly?. Logan is still physically superior to Bruce.

Bats has fought villians better than Wolverine in speed and reflexes.

Not really, no. Logan has fought/beaten guys like Omega Red, Lady Deathstrike, Sabretooth, Mr X, Spider-Man etc most of whom will straight up murder a non-prepped Batman in a normal encounter. And this is not even getting into the likes of Namor, Wendigo, Baal etc. Worth noting that all of these aforementioned guys have similar or superior stats in comparison to him. So one cannot even say he only beat them based on that.

Bats can keep up with the likes of Captain America without gadgets.

Cool. But Logan has actually beaten Captain America, while in a weakened state with an overworked healing factor.

Wolverine dies in the cage. And you dont have to accept for it to be true.

You are welcome to try and prove that

Regular Wolverine murders Bats. But saying wolverine wins here is Lowballing the batman.

I am not lowballing Batman, I am just stating the facts of each character

P.S: The only Bruce i acknowledge is Wayne.

Bruce Wayne

Okay

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#17  Edited By brucerogers

@adamameen: Just at tip, if you are convinced that Batman cannot win here, you shouldn't have made this thread. It feels like spite/bait.

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@laughingbatman: Sure thing...

A pretty common example from New Avengers #15 - Wolverine bests Iron Fist in a sparing match, it should be noted that this is not a serious fight (however they certainly were not trying to lose, in fact it was a competitive match) and Wolverine does have the advantage of his Adamantium skeleton to take the hits.

Wolverine Origin's #43 - After 4 days of refreshing his skills, Logan's beating the Silver Samurai at swordplay - and from the exposition we can assume that he's fairly comfortable doing it -

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And another showing against a skilled fighter? Wolverine #54, Logan dominates Shatterstar in a quick scuffle...

Avengers vs X-Men #3 - In a one motion guts, disarms and kicks Captain America - The fight was ended prematurely but the result while not definitive was weighted, Cap's abdomen was sliced open and he was supporting himself on a wall - Logan was harmed but he's able to deal with the concussive damage

There you go, that's just a snippet of Logan's showings of skill/combat prowess - Anymore inquiries just ask...

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#19  Edited By laughingbatman
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Logan in a decent fight. He's got superior stats and is so close to Bruce in martial arts knowledge that any difference one way or the other is negligible.

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@bionar:

Wolverine can do that aswell he's more skilled than bat in combat

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Yes but that's why I created this thread so I can get some arguments for why batman would win but do far no ones given me any valid points

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Logan. I still think on average Bruce is on par but a bit more consistent. Cornellverine aside, the other times Logan has lacked a healing factor or had it weakened he has used his skill more often, such as when it was overtaxed and he had Cap beat or most of Fatal Attractions because he also lacked the adamantium, and Wolverine was also more obsessed with his training. Bruce has only a slight edge with more skill feats it the ones Wolverine has he is on par. Couple that with him having the stat edge here, he should beat Bruce more often than not.

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Still Bruce.

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Wolverine will kill Batman in a cage fight. If Batman had prep then maybe he may find a way to stop his healing factor but apart from that there is no way Batman will stop Wolverine.

Wolverine Durabilty:

Takes a hit from Spider-Man, a Shield throw from Captain America and a lighting strike from Storm and is still able to fight

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Wolverine gets hit by an armored car from HulkBuster Iron Man

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Here he pushes through Omega's energy blasts

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Wolverine possess superhuman durability. This is mostly because of his healing abilities and Adamantium Skeleton, which redistributes the force of blows dealt against. He has taken blows from Spider-Man on multiple occasions showing less than minimal discomfort, as well from a host of other much stronger characters such as Wonder-Man, Thor, Hulk, Thing, Skaar, Sebastian Shaw, and Kid Gladiator, who also had the advantage of have spiked knuckles. However, even without his Adamantium Skeleton, Wolverine does display a degree of superhuman durability. For example, he was hit by a jeep, and was unharmed. This is partially due to the fact that his skeleton, even without the Adamantium metal, is superhumanly durable.”

Wolverines Speed:

Wolverine is able to move at low level superhuman speeds. He has attacked faster than the eye could follow and even Spider-Man briefly thought Wolverine was faster than he was in their first fight. His combat speed seems more enhanced than anything else, as he has frequently kept up with Spider-Man in combat, and blitzed people before they pull their trigger fingers.” And: “Wolverine's agility, balance and bodily coordination are enhanced to levels far beyond the natural physical limits and capabilities of the finest human specimen. Wolverine's agility is sufficient to allow him to dodge multiple bullets. Other times, able to jump extremely high and evade several yards

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Dodges these men’s gunfire from almost point-blank range.

He kills a ninja before she even knows shes dead

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Cuts a barrel of a gun before the holders even know whats happening

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Because im feeling lazy im not gonna post pictures but here read this.

Wolverines Healing Factor:

Wolverine's primary mutant power is an accelerated healing process that enables him to regenerate damaged or destroyed tissue with far greater efficiency than an ordinary human. He can regenerate greatly damaged or destroyed tissue with few seconds. Wolverine's accelerated healing powers have been commonly referred to as his mutant healing factor. The full extent and speed of Wolverine's healing factor isn't known. He has been shown to fully heal from numerous gunshot wounds, severe burns covering most of his body, and regenerate missing eyes within a matter of seconds. Among the more extreme depictions of his accelerated healing factor involves him having his skin, muscles, and internal organs incinerated from his skeleton only to fully regenerate the tissue within minutes. Adamantium plays a crucial role in the speed of Wolverine's healing as well because of the fact that it produces a poison that his immune system fights off regularly. It is said that without the adamantium, his healing rate increases. This power even amends psychological wounds inflicted as a result of traumatic experiences. However, Wolverine's healing powers force his mind to suppress the memories, sometimes resulting in amnesia. Wolverine sometimes calls this his mental scar tissue. Wolverine's healing factor has cured him from the mystical curse of the Werewolf after he had been bitten and turned into a werewolf and from vampirism, though it should be noted that the time it took to cure the Werewolf curse was longer than the time it took to cure him from vampirism

Wolverines Fighting ability:

Due to his extensive training as a soldier, a CIA operative, a samurai and a member of the X-Men, Logan is an exceptional martial artist, with expertise in Japanese martial arts, and has mastered 15 forms of martial arts. His extraordinary hand-to-hand combat ability makes him one of the finest combatants on Earth. He was able to keep up with both the Black Panther and the Iron Fist, both expert martial artists. He has also defeated various hand-to-hand experts without using his claws. He even has taught the Black Widow, Rogue, Storm, and Shadowcat in hand-to-hand combat

When fighting Iron Fist, the two seem evenly matched

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it is a total win for Wolverine his strength and speed will be to much for batman

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This is pretty one sided still. Logan nearly matches Batman in skill already, and here he keeps his superhuman attributes. I imagine that, without the adamantium he'll be moving even faster right? If so Wolverine stomps.

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#29  Edited By Bionar

They are in a bloody cage. Nobody's going anywhere. Batman has mastered every martial art skill there is..

Batman.Wikia.com: "He has mastered 127 styles of martial arts including Muay Thai, Escrima, Krav Maga, Capoeira, Savate, Yawyan, Taekwondo, Judo, Jujitsu, Ninjitsu, Kendo, Fencing, Kenjitsu, Kali, Bojutsu, Francombat, Boxing, Kickboxing, Hapkido, Wing Chun, Parkour, Shorin Ryu, Silat, Chin Na, Hokuto Shinken, Kyudo, Aikido, Varma Adi, Jeet Kune Do, Shaolin, Ba Gua, Hung Gar, Tai Chi, Kung Fu, Kenpo, and Karate."

Plus, "He had mastered full body control by the time he was 18." The goal of practicing a martial art is to improve your body control (to defend, attack, strengthen, meditate, etc).

"His primary form of combat is an idiosyncratic admixture of Tae Kwon Do, Judo, Muay Thai, Karate, Boxing, Jujitsu, and Ninjitsu, and heunderstands the unique traits of the rest of the arts (Wing Chun's efficiency, Varma Adi's pressure points, Aikido's redirection, etc)"

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@bionar:

Wolverine is at the same skill level as batman if anything even more skilled.

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Logan.

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Logan. Stat advantage and an arguable skill advantage.

@bionar Squirrel Girl is a joke character, she can beat whoever she feels like beating.