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#1 Edited by BloodsunXL (834 posts) - - Show Bio
The Winter Soldier
The Winter Soldier
Round 1) Mockingbird
Round 1) Mockingbird
Round 2) Falcon
Round 2) Falcon
Round 3) Deadpool (Supressed Healing Factor)
Round 3) Deadpool (Supressed Healing Factor)
Round 4) Black Widow
Round 4) Black Widow
Round 5) Punisher
Round 5) Punisher
Round 6) Daredevil
Round 6) Daredevil
Round 7) Steve Rogers with no Shield
Round 7) Steve Rogers with no Shield

Rules

-Morals are off for the characters

-Prep is allowed for characters, and aware of eachother, but have their standard equipment, no cheap shots allowed.

-Standard Equipment(WS Gets 2 Dual Wield Pistols 6 8 round mags, M16 1 30 round mag , 2 Grenades, 3 Throwing Knives, a Combat Knife, and Cap's Shield)

-All fights take place in a post-apocalyptic NYC starting

-After Each Battle he gets 3 days rest to plan and prepare, but he cannot use anymore supplies than he already has.

Can he pass or will he fail?

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#2 Posted by imbackwimps (1078 posts) - - Show Bio

stops at 3

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#3 Edited by ThexX (1615 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 6 would be one hell of a fight. But I think Bucky would beat him.

Round 7 Bucky loses to Steve (Captain America).

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#4 Posted by ThexX (1615 posts) - - Show Bio

@imbackwimps: Deadpool has a suppressed healing factor in this gauntlet.

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#5 Posted by imbackwimps (1078 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThexX said:

@imbackwimps: Deadpool has a suppressed healing factor in this gauntlet.

i just readied some more of the op he really stops at 1 Mockingbird has cap powers now

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#6 Posted by SoA (6234 posts) - - Show Bio

round 4 . round 5 tops

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#7 Posted by God_Spawn (40491 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at the Devil.

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#8 Edited by ThexX (1615 posts) - - Show Bio

@imbackwimps: Mockingbird might have Steve powers but not his skill. Bucky is Peak Human and is a Top tier Martial Arts.

@SoA: In Round 4 Deadpool has a suppressed healing Factor without his healing factor Deadpool isn't really a threat. And Bucky has already beat Black Widow.

Against Black Widow:

Here Bucky faces off against his lover before they reconnect. Remarkable feats here are Bucky’s ability to deflect Widows stingers with his arm. He could pretty much deflect bullets with his arm.

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Against Punisher:

Punisher takes Bucky by total surprise and Bucky still manages to stalemate him. Punisher admits that heads up he would lose.

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#9 Posted by God_Spawn (40491 posts) - - Show Bio

@SoA said:

round 4 . round 5 tops

He's already beaten Widow handily and he has Castle outclassed in virtually every aspect except marksmanship which I guess may or may not come into play depending if he can quickdraw Barnes.

@ThexX:

Round 6 would be one hell of a fight. But I think Bucky would beat him.

I don't think he can beat Matt.

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#10 Posted by pooty (16232 posts) - - Show Bio

@BloodsunX said:

The Winter Soldier
The Winter Soldier
Round 1) Mockingbird
Round 1) Mockingbird
Round 2) Falcon
Round 2) Falcon
Round 3) Deadpool (Supressed Healing Factor)
Round 3) Deadpool (Supressed Healing Factor)
Round 4) Black Widow
Round 4) Black Widow
Round 5) Punisher
Round 5) Punisher
Round 6) Daredevil
Round 6) Daredevil
Round 7) Steve Rogers with Original Shield
Round 7) Steve Rogers with Original Shield

Rules

-Morals are off for the characters

-Prep is allowed, no cheap shots allowed.

-Standard Equipment(WS Gets 2 Dual Wield Pistols 6 8 round mags, M16 1 30 round mag , 2 Grenades, 3 Throwing Knives, and a Combat Knife)

-All fights take place in a post-apocalyptic NYC starting

-After Each Battle he gets 3 days rest to plan and prepare, but he cannot use anymore supplies than he already has.

Can he pass or will he fail?

1)WS wins 7/10.

2) Why is "Token" even here?

3) Even with suppressed healing i give DP 6/11

4) WS

5) WS

6) DD 6/11

7) Steve 9/10

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#11 Posted by ThexX (1615 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: It would depend on the situation for me. If Bucky has prep and Daredevil doesn't Bucky wins. If they both have prep i really don't know who would win. Because I don't know what Matt can do with prep. And in a random encounter Daredevil wins.

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#12 Posted by TDK_1997 (17263 posts) - - Show Bio

Bucky might lose at Deadpool but he can defeat him,after him Black Widow and Punisher are easy targets.He stops at DD.

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#13 Posted by Megabeast1 (233 posts) - - Show Bio

He possibly could get past Punisher, doubtfully get past DareDevil, and would definetely lose to Steve Rogers!!!

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#14 Posted by God_Spawn (40491 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThexX: Bucky is allowed to prepare for the fight, however, he isn't allowed to bring any extra equipment than he is already given per OP so I don't think he is allowed to use anything extra so no covering himself in oil or anything of the sort. DD is allowed prep but I don't think he needs it. The setting is a post apocalyptic NYC and due to DD's radar sense it allows him to be familiar with his environment rather quickly and there should be more than ample cover whether abandoned cars, collapsed buildings etc. DD is capable of duck and cover and is pretty good at stealth which will come in hand since Bucky would be hard pressed to find him while DD has him locked on throughout the fight through multiple possible means depending if Bucky's boots silence footsteps and his armor hides heartbeats, DD can still smell his breath. He did so to Wolverine from 4 blocks away. I just think DD has the potential to use the area better and he is a better fighter than Bucky IMO and is capable of standing up to Cap just fine whom is Bucky's superior. And no morals likens the possibility of DD using a nerve strike rather quickly to bring James down.

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#15 Posted by ThexX (1615 posts) - - Show Bio

@BloodsunX said:

Rules

-Morals are off for the characters

-Prep is allowed, no cheap shots allowed.

-Standard Equipment(WS Gets 2 Dual Wield Pistols 6 8 round mags, M16 1 30 round mag , 2 Grenades, 3 Throwing Knives, and a Combat Knife)

-All fights take place in a post-apocalyptic NYC starting

-After Each Battle he gets 3 days rest to plan and prepare, but he cannot use anymore supplies than he already has.

Can he pass or will he fail?

@god_spawn: The Op says Bucky gets prep but he says nothing about his opponents. So what is stoping Bucky from shooting Daredevil from 500 yards away with the M16.

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#16 Posted by God_Spawn (40491 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThexX: I thought saying prep allowed above saying Bucky has prep meant prep in general for everyone else? Otherwise why say it twice and specify? Anyways, what prevents it is Vine's rules. No distance was given so we assume it is close, prep or no prep. Also, Daredevil has detected a sniper from 2 blocks away by scent of gunpowder IIRC, disappears then the next page is in costume and is attacking the guy with the sniper commenting on how he did it so fast. He also detected the sniper from 7 blocks away later. Bucky close and with all his weapons, Murdock will definitely smell the gunpowder and know not to stand there and due to senses should be more than able to find cover before Buck gets a lock on him.

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#17 Edited by ThexX (1615 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn: Ok with that I will concede Bucky stops at Daredevil.

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#18 Posted by RainEffect (3376 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 4 turns into sex then rest. 
 
/will go down with this James/Nat ship.

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#19 Edited by BloodsunXL (834 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump also when I mean no cheap shots no sniping or whatso ever, the starting distance is 30 feet.

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#20 Posted by TheMinister (1138 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at Daredevil.

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#21 Posted by SlimJ87D (12521 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 3: I don't know what I suppressed healing factor Deadpool is really like. But I think Deadpool could give him a run for his money and possibly beat Bucky. Deadpool is very fast, very skilled and not very predictable. But Bucky can cut loose and not worry about harming and shooting him. Note that all of Bucky's 1 on 1 fights he usually comments on how he doesn't want to resort to shooting the person and just takes it H2H with them.

Round 6: This is another close match IMO, and I have a whole post on why I think Bucky can take DD but I don't think he wins it here.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/captain-america-bucky-vs-daredevil/418367/?page=10

But 3 days of rest is not enough for him after fighting all the other guys, specially Deadpool. DD will probably beat him specially due to fatigue.

Round 7: He'll lose this round unless Steve doesn't have the heart to fight him.

He can clear this gauntlet if he chooses to just camp like a little bitch and just snipe all his opponents.

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#22 Posted by larryman296 (188 posts) - - Show Bio

Bucky's definitely getting stopped at Daredevil.

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#23 Posted by ChaosBlazer (4003 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

Stops at the Devil.

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#24 Posted by BloodsunXL (834 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D said:

Round 3: I don't know what I suppressed healing factor Deadpool is really like. But I think Deadpool could give him a run for his money and possibly beat Bucky. Deadpool is very fast, very skilled and not very predictable. But Bucky can cut loose and not worry about harming and shooting him. Note that all of Bucky's 1 on 1 fights he usually comments on how he doesn't want to resort to shooting the person and just takes it H2H with them.

Round 6: This is another close match IMO, and I have a whole post on why I think Bucky can take DD but I don't think he wins it here.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/captain-america-bucky-vs-daredevil/418367/?page=10

But 3 days of rest is not enough for him after fighting all the other guys, specially Deadpool. DD will probably beat him specially due to fatigue.

Round 7: He'll lose this round unless Steve doesn't have the heart to fight him.

He can clear this gauntlet if he chooses to just camp like a little bitch and just snipe all his opponents.

His opponents are expecting him also no sniping allowed.

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#25 Posted by ChaosBlazer (4003 posts) - - Show Bio

@BloodsunX: Does Deadpool completely lack a healing factor, or does he have a minor one? Can you describe his healing factor's capabilities in this fight please

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#26 Posted by sandiego008 (3408 posts) - - Show Bio

Not positive he gets past round 1 ... but regardless he fails the gauntlet as a whole.

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#27 Posted by SlimJ87D (12521 posts) - - Show Bio

@BloodsunX said:

@SlimJ87D said:

Round 3: I don't know what I suppressed healing factor Deadpool is really like. But I think Deadpool could give him a run for his money and possibly beat Bucky. Deadpool is very fast, very skilled and not very predictable. But Bucky can cut loose and not worry about harming and shooting him. Note that all of Bucky's 1 on 1 fights he usually comments on how he doesn't want to resort to shooting the person and just takes it H2H with them.

Round 6: This is another close match IMO, and I have a whole post on why I think Bucky can take DD but I don't think he wins it here.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/captain-america-bucky-vs-daredevil/418367/?page=10

But 3 days of rest is not enough for him after fighting all the other guys, specially Deadpool. DD will probably beat him specially due to fatigue.

Round 7: He'll lose this round unless Steve doesn't have the heart to fight him.

He can clear this gauntlet if he chooses to just camp like a little bitch and just snipe all his opponents.

His opponents are expecting him also no sniping allowed.

Doesn't matter. my post still stands.

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#28 Posted by Saren (27534 posts) - - Show Bio

@TheMinister said:

Stops at Daredevil.

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#29 Posted by Saren (27534 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D said:

He can clear this gauntlet if he chooses to just camp like a little bitch and just snipe all his opponents.

LOL

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#30 Posted by BloodsunXL (834 posts) - - Show Bio

@ChaosBlazer said:

@BloodsunX: Does Deadpool completely lack a healing factor, or does he have a minor one? Can you describe his healing factor's capabilities in this fight please

1 bullet takes 30 seconds to heal.

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#31 Posted by robertloucksjr (2191 posts) - - Show Bio

Mockingbird with SSS stops him the majority of time. Faster/stronger/more durable/more endurance/almost as skilled

Deadpool, even without healing, stops him most of the time. Faster/more endurance/more skilled.

Daredevil stops him most of the time. Better fighter/perfect balance/senses.

Steve Rogers stops him almost all the time. Faster/stronger/more durable/more endurance.

The others he beats most of the time thanks to his bionic arm. Black Widow should be very close to him. Her low-rent Red Room SSS version make up most of his greater size and bionic arm.

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#32 Posted by ChaosBlazer (4003 posts) - - Show Bio

@BloodsunX said:

@ChaosBlazer said:

@BloodsunX: Does Deadpool completely lack a healing factor, or does he have a minor one? Can you describe his healing factor's capabilities in this fight please

1 bullet takes 30 seconds to heal.

Can he heal headshot wounds

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#33 Posted by SlimJ87D (12521 posts) - - Show Bio
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This fight was pretty close to a Stalemate and it happen so fast that Deadpool's healing factor is a non-factor in the H2H department. Yeah, Steve didn't have his shield and Deadpool did get a good first hit with his Katana, but still good showings for him.

Bucky's main advantage over Steve though is that he has a mechanical arm and has deflected Katan strikes from Taskmaster, bullets, etc and he has caught Hawkeye's arrows.

But this is why I think even with a supressed healing factor Deadpool will be trouble and if he gets passed Deadpool he'll have trouble at Natasha and Punisher if he sustains any damage similar to what Steve receives here.

@robertloucksjr said:

Mockingbird with SSS stops him the majority of time. Faster/stronger/more durable/more endurance/almost as skilled

Deadpool, even without healing, stops him most of the time. Faster/more endurance/more skilled.

Daredevil stops him most of the time. Better fighter/perfect balance/senses.

Steve Rogers stops him almost all the time. Faster/stronger/more durable/more endurance.

The others he beats most of the time thanks to his bionic arm. Black Widow should be very close to him. Her low-rent Red Room SSS version make up most of his greater size and bionic arm.

Almost as skilled? Yeah right, what has she done to even put her on Zemo's level? Before she got her powers what has she done to fight on par with any of the top tiers let alone be on Black Widows level?

Do people forget that Black Widow is suppose to also be enhanced? Sure not exaggerate on the levels of Bendis FEAR ITSELF Mockingbird that was pretty much PIS since Steve hasn't even shown that kind of ability as he far outclasses her not to be sexist but is a male with the SSS, but Mockingbird never showed any feats to be as good as Natasha let alone close to Bucky.

On the other hand you had Bucky defeat Baron Zemo with a nano power suit while he was drugged and halucinating and 50s Cap who is 6 times his owns stats, and 2 times that of Steve's.

Mockingbird doesn't stand a chance.

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#34 Posted by BloodsunXL (834 posts) - - Show Bio

@ChaosBlazer said:

@BloodsunX said:

@ChaosBlazer said:

@BloodsunX: Does Deadpool completely lack a healing factor, or does he have a minor one? Can you describe his healing factor's capabilities in this fight please

1 bullet takes 30 seconds to heal.

Can he heal headshot wounds

Takes about 5 minutes or so, but he cannot heal from decapitation.

Also for heads up a changed OP and removed Cap's shield.

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#35 Posted by ChaosMarvel (1046 posts) - - Show Bio

I think he may stop at Deadpool. If not then he stops at Daredevil.

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#36 Posted by sandiego008 (3408 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D said:Mockingbird doesn't stand a chance.

She is a good fighter in general ... she now has the Super Serum and the Infinity Serum and a healing factor ... People are forgetting that she has the infinity serum as well so her insane feats in FEAR ITSELF should be considered legit as she is biologically superior to captain america. (not skill-wise)

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#37 Edited by SlimJ87D (12521 posts) - - Show Bio

@sandiego008: Still doesn't have the skill showings to defeat Bucky. What healing factor? It's nowhere on par with Wolverine and doesn't show any evidence of surviving a bullet to the head. What does the Infinity formula do to the SSS taht makes her stronger than Steve? Where did it say that? Bucky also has the infinity formula.

Bucky defeated Baron Zemo. Baron Zemo might not be the best fighter int he world but he had a super powered suit taht amplified his stats and Bucky was severely drugged. Bucky also defeated 50s Cap who is twice athe state=s as Steve, punched through reinforced concrete like nothing.These two fights Bucky was fighting with Morals and held back against 50s Cap not wanting to hurt him. Bucky also defeated a giant Werebear, where Werewolves in the marvel Universe have 2+ ton strength imagine the bear. When Bucky defeated the Werebear, he was fighting ina 2 month gauntlet, starved by the Russians and hardly got any sleep.

Bucky doesn't have morals here. Unless Mockingbird heals instantly from a bullet to the head or far eclipses Bucky in skill somehow she stands a chance as much as Black Widow does.

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#38 Posted by imbackwimps (1078 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D said:

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This fight was pretty close to a Stalemate and it happen so fast that Deadpool's healing factor is a non-factor in the H2H department. Yeah, Steve didn't have his shield and Deadpool did get a good first hit with his Katana, but still good showings for him.

Bucky's main advantage over Steve though is that he has a mechanical arm and has deflected Katan strikes from Taskmaster, bullets, etc and he has caught Hawkeye's arrows.

But this is why I think even with a supressed healing factor Deadpool will be trouble and if he gets passed Deadpool he'll have trouble at Natasha and Punisher if he sustains any damage similar to what Steve receives here.

@robertloucksjr said:

Mockingbird with SSS stops him the majority of time. Faster/stronger/more durable/more endurance/almost as skilled

Deadpool, even without healing, stops him most of the time. Faster/more endurance/more skilled.

Daredevil stops him most of the time. Better fighter/perfect balance/senses.

Steve Rogers stops him almost all the time. Faster/stronger/more durable/more endurance.

The others he beats most of the time thanks to his bionic arm. Black Widow should be very close to him. Her low-rent Red Room SSS version make up most of his greater size and bionic arm.

Almost as skilled? Yeah right, what has she done to even put her on Zemo's level? Before she got her powers what has she done to fight on par with any of the top tiers let alone be on Black Widows level?

Do people forget that Black Widow is suppose to also be enhanced? Sure not exaggerate on the levels of Bendis FEAR ITSELF Mockingbird that was pretty much PIS since Steve hasn't even shown that kind of ability as he far outclasses her not to be sexist but is a male with the SSS, but Mockingbird never showed any feats to be as good as Natasha let alone close to Bucky.

On the other hand you had Bucky defeat Baron Zemo with a nano power suit while he was drugged and halucinating and 50s Cap who is 6 times his owns stats, and 2 times that of Steve's.

Mockingbird doesn't stand a chance.

this is before her upgrade,she is a 100x better now

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#39 Edited by SlimJ87D (12521 posts) - - Show Bio

@imbackwimps: And what do those show that let her defeat Bucky? That she had concealed weapons and Clint didn't take them into account?

Bucky caught Clint's arrows while performing gymnastics and bested him twice in a spar. This is current Clint too whose fight rating went from a 4 (in those scans) to a 6 (currently).

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/JohnDV201/Bucky%20Barnes/Bucky%20Barnes%20Fighting%20Ability/Clint%20Barton/CaptainAmerica600DTs-Meganpg031.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/JohnDV201/Bucky%20Barnes/Bucky%20Barnes%20Fighting%20Ability/Clint%20Barton/CaptainAmerica600DTs-Meganpg032.jpg

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http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/JohnDV201/Bucky%20Barnes/Bucky%20Barnes%20Fighting%20Ability/Clint%20Barton/img012.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/JohnDV201/Bucky%20Barnes/Bucky%20Barnes%20Fighting%20Ability/Clint%20Barton/img013.jpg

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He has deflected bullets and Black Widows stingers with his mechanical arm as well.

Again, she did a lot of cool stuff in Fear Itself against those big green robots and Bucky was slicing those robots in half with his arm and shield. She has those stats, but Bucky has his mechanical arm and better skills.

If anything those green robots are just piles of junk from WW2. Shang Chi took one down by double punching it and he has no super stats.

Let me know when Mockingbird is as impressive.

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#40 Posted by mtrakos (581 posts) - - Show Bio

If Buck is to ever pass this little buddy stage. This almost hero stage. This adventure is exactly what he should go through.

Kuck If You Buck.

My boy Bucky Barnes!

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#41 Posted by sandiego008 (3408 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D: IMO her LEGIT feats in fear itself ... MAY allow her to win the majority over bucky.

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#42 Posted by SavageDragon (2257 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher if he is prepared could beat Bucky, but it go either way. I say same with Deadpool. He stops at DD for sure.

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#43 Edited by SlimJ87D (12521 posts) - - Show Bio

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@SlimJ87D: IMO her LEGIT feats in fear itself ... MAY allow her to win the majority over bucky.

And again, she defeated a bunch of green robots where I showed that those green robots are canon fodder. Look at those scans. Bucky was running around slicing them in half with his shield and Shang Chi double punched one and took it down.

Her stats are matched with Bucky's arm which is probably strong and fast enough to match Mockingbird's stats due to it taking bullets, knives and throwing a 12lb shield through metal, guns, robots and super computers (the arm is pretty damn strong).

Skill for skill, Bucky outmatches her.

Equipment, I don't know what the Mockingbird outfit is made out of but she got shot and it went through. Bucky's Winter soldier suit is on par with his Captain America suit, it is impact resistant (allows him to fall off roofs, RPGd off a 2 story building onto a car, etc) and is bullet proof. The suit being impact resistant and high tech will give him higher durability. Mockingbird's outfit couldn't even stop a bullet.

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#44 Posted by imbackwimps (1078 posts) - - Show Bio

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@imbackwimps: And what do those show that let her defeat Bucky? That she had concealed weapons and Clint didn't take them into account?

Bucky caught Clint's arrows while performing gymnastics and bested him twice in a spar. This is current Clint too whose fight rating went from a 4 (in those scans) to a 6 (currently).

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/JohnDV201/Bucky%20Barnes/Bucky%20Barnes%20Fighting%20Ability/Clint%20Barton/CaptainAmerica600DTs-Meganpg031.jpg

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He has deflected bullets and Black Widows stingers with his mechanical arm as well.

Again, she did a lot of cool stuff in Fear Itself against those big green robots and Bucky was slicing those robots in half with his arm and shield. She has those stats, but Bucky has his mechanical arm and better skills.

If anything those green robots are just piles of junk from WW2. Shang Chi took one down by double punching it and he has no super stats.

Let me know when Mockingbird is as impressive.

Before she got her powers what has she done to fight on par with any of the top tiers let alone be on Black Widows level? that is what you said and i gave you the pics to show you she can fight beat hawkeye easy

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#45 Edited by SlimJ87D (12521 posts) - - Show Bio

@imbackwimps said:

@SlimJ87D said:

@imbackwimps: And what do those show that let her defeat Bucky? That she had concealed weapons and Clint didn't take them into account?

Bucky caught Clint's arrows while performing gymnastics and bested him twice in a spar. This is current Clint too whose fight rating went from a 4 (in those scans) to a 6 (currently).

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/JohnDV201/Bucky%20Barnes/Bucky%20Barnes%20Fighting%20Ability/Clint%20Barton/CaptainAmerica600DTs-Meganpg031.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/JohnDV201/Bucky%20Barnes/Bucky%20Barnes%20Fighting%20Ability/Clint%20Barton/CaptainAmerica600DTs-Meganpg032.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/JohnDV201/Bucky%20Barnes/Bucky%20Barnes%20Fighting%20Ability/Clint%20Barton/CaptainAmerica600DTs-Meganpg033.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/JohnDV201/Bucky%20Barnes/Bucky%20Barnes%20Fighting%20Ability/Clint%20Barton/img012.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/JohnDV201/Bucky%20Barnes/Bucky%20Barnes%20Fighting%20Ability/Clint%20Barton/img013.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/JohnDV201/Bucky%20Barnes/Bucky%20Barnes%20Fighting%20Ability/Clint%20Barton/img014.jpg

He has deflected bullets and Black Widows stingers with his mechanical arm as well.

Again, she did a lot of cool stuff in Fear Itself against those big green robots and Bucky was slicing those robots in half with his arm and shield. She has those stats, but Bucky has his mechanical arm and better skills.

If anything those green robots are just piles of junk from WW2. Shang Chi took one down by double punching it and he has no super stats.

Let me know when Mockingbird is as impressive.

Before she got her powers what has she done to fight on par with any of the top tiers let alone be on Black Widows level? that is what you said and i gave you the pics to show you she can fight beat hawkeye easy

I know where you got your scans, and it's from a thread that pretty much everyone agreed Mockingbird lacks feats.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/mockingbird-vs-catman-h2h/679239/

1. You didn't show what happen afterwards, her and Clint went a little back and forth and they teamed up afterward.

It wasn't much of a fight as they were pretty much talking.

2. I also pointed out to you that Clint during that time was inexperienced and not even close to the man he is today.

That was the purpose of why I critiqued your scans.

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#46 Posted by BloodsunXL (834 posts) - - Show Bio

Ah to make things more interesting i'll give Bucky Cap's Shield.

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#47 Posted by imbackwimps (1078 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D said:

@imbackwimps said:

@SlimJ87D said:

@imbackwimps: And what do those show that let her defeat Bucky? That she had concealed weapons and Clint didn't take them into account?

Bucky caught Clint's arrows while performing gymnastics and bested him twice in a spar. This is current Clint too whose fight rating went from a 4 (in those scans) to a 6 (currently).

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/JohnDV201/Bucky%20Barnes/Bucky%20Barnes%20Fighting%20Ability/Clint%20Barton/CaptainAmerica600DTs-Meganpg031.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/JohnDV201/Bucky%20Barnes/Bucky%20Barnes%20Fighting%20Ability/Clint%20Barton/CaptainAmerica600DTs-Meganpg032.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/JohnDV201/Bucky%20Barnes/Bucky%20Barnes%20Fighting%20Ability/Clint%20Barton/CaptainAmerica600DTs-Meganpg033.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/JohnDV201/Bucky%20Barnes/Bucky%20Barnes%20Fighting%20Ability/Clint%20Barton/img012.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/JohnDV201/Bucky%20Barnes/Bucky%20Barnes%20Fighting%20Ability/Clint%20Barton/img013.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/JohnDV201/Bucky%20Barnes/Bucky%20Barnes%20Fighting%20Ability/Clint%20Barton/img014.jpg

He has deflected bullets and Black Widows stingers with his mechanical arm as well.

Again, she did a lot of cool stuff in Fear Itself against those big green robots and Bucky was slicing those robots in half with his arm and shield. She has those stats, but Bucky has his mechanical arm and better skills.

If anything those green robots are just piles of junk from WW2. Shang Chi took one down by double punching it and he has no super stats.

Let me know when Mockingbird is as impressive.

Before she got her powers what has she done to fight on par with any of the top tiers let alone be on Black Widows level? that is what you said and i gave you the pics to show you she can fight beat hawkeye easy

I know where you got your scans, and it's from a thread that pretty much everyone agreed Mockingbird lacks feats.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/mockingbird-vs-catman-h2h/679239/

1. You didn't show what happen afterwards, her and Clint went a little back and forth and they teamed up afterward.

It wasn't much of a fight as they were pretty much talking.

2. I also pointed out to you that Clint during that time was inexperienced and not even close to the man he is today.

That was the purpose of why I critiqued your scans.

how can you say that hawkeye is a better fighter now but not mockingbird she was upgraded to the point she is like cap

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#48 Edited by SlimJ87D (12521 posts) - - Show Bio

@imbackwimps: can you please show me where I said she didn't become a better fighter? I believe my point is that she hasn't shown any skill against any notable fighter to put her on or above Buckys level.

Look at the old Mockingbird vs Catman thread you had posted in, no one could show anything great from her and everyone came to the conclusion that as of right now shes pretty featless.

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#49 Posted by imbackwimps (1078 posts) - - Show Bio

@SlimJ87D said:

@imbackwimps: can you please show me where I said she didn't become a better fighter? I believe my point is that she hasn't shown any skill against any notable fighter to put her on or above Buckys level.

Look at the old Mockingbird vs Catman thread you had posted in, no one could show anything great from her and everyone came to the conclusion that as of right now shes pretty featless.

only thing it shows is that she is not a main player in comics thats all you are really selling her short

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#50 Posted by slacker the hacker (10314 posts) - - Show Bio

Haling factor or not he stops at Deadpool