Anarky was not all over the place. He was consistently a top tier fighter. I'm not implying that Thea is a better combatant than Ollie(though i was hoping that eventually she will become). Anarky vs Ollie and Anarky vs Thea fights had slightly different circumstances(Anarky's OP staff). However, the fact that she was able to beat someone who bested Ollie once, granted after taking away his advantage, its still a very impressive showing. As for Malcom and Steve, its a completely different debate. I believe Malcolm is more skilled than Steve is. And matching Malcolm(and even coming on top one time) is a much better feat that loosing to Steve.
This what gets me whenever I debate you regarding CW characters. You give them praise for the samething you fault other live action characters for. Apparently Thea is more skilled becasue 1) She was trained by Malcolm and matched him 2) Beat Anarky who "bested Oliver once" (even though you said it was due to circumstances).
1. What exactly are Merlyn's feats that make his training so spectacular? What has he done since beating season 1 that makes him so skillful? How the hell is Thea matching and getting the upperhand Merlyn more impressive than Bucky matching and getting the upperhand on Cap? Cap who has the skill to go against characters above his weight class? People make it seem like Cap is all physicals when he's beating and held his own against people clearly above his physicals.
2. Anarky "bested" Oliver once. Bucky bested Cap in CW during his escape from SHIELD scene, why is Anarky besting Oliver better?
Twice. And Bucky did loose to Steve. In first he was loosing and in second he outright did, even while Steve was holding back.
I don't see how he lost the first fight, the fight Steve wasn't holding back on. He was matching Cap the entire first fight and got the upperhand multiple times. The second fight he did lose to Steve but their third fight in CW (when Bucky was trying to escape and "go home") he got the upperhand and Cap and even knocked him down a elevator shaft.
Sure, Natasha is a skilled combatant. I am not denying that. All I'm doing is use her as a scale to gauge Bucky's skill level.
So why is Natasha "outskilling" Bucky (when she never did) being used as a low showing?
Because Diggle has several other feats to help gauge his skill level. As for how is Diggle ripping through fodders better than Bucky doing same? First, Diggle does it to more skilled group of combatants.
Pause.. How the hell are the people Diggle face more skilled? Diggle consistently faces street thugs (that's the consistently threat on Arrow) and before team arrow it was terrorist/insurgents. The Ghost were mercenaries and ex military personnel correct? SHIELD alone is more impressive than most of the fodder Diggle fights. SHIELD is several tiers above the military (we see repeatedly how they do better than them) and we saw how handily SHIELD dealt with the pirates/mercs in TWS opening scene. SHIELD is producing agents like Hawkeye, Widow, Daisy, Bobbi, Ward, May, Rumlow etc. Meanwhile the ghost produce John's little brother?
Ghosts could actually trade blows with members of team arrow before going down. Not like fodder SHIELD agents who run towards their oppoent, get hit in face and don't get up.
Woahhhh lets not go there lmao. Arrow is NOTORIOUS for having fodder with glass jaws that drop like flies and ghost weren't any different. You realize those SHIELD agents who got hit in the face and didn't get back up were getting hit by Bucky right? The same guy who can punch through concrete and punch someone like Cap back 20ft or so and can punch someone like Cap through an elevator door. One punch from his non mechanical arm sent Tony flying back and he stayed down the remainder of the fight. But I find this argument coming from you amusing. Weren't you one of the users not too long ago defending Arrow's fodder? Saying it because Team Arrow hits so hard or something along those lines?
Also, Diggle has actually gone against other skilled and done well. He matched China White on two occasions, easily keeps up with both oliver and Sara during training. And its not just about clearing fodders, its how you do it that matter.
Matching Chyna White is impressive because what exactly? Again how is "easily keeping up with Oliver ans Sara during training" impressive when Bucky keeping up with Cap is just him getting outskilled? In Captain America: The Road to Civil War it opens up with Natasha and Steve sparring with them blocking each others strikes. Also saying "how you clear fodder is what matters" is also amusing to hear because Arrow fans were arguing AGAINST this when people were mocking their choreography.
I am straight stealing this from nickzambuto's respect thread-
"Diggle's convoy in Afghanistan is ambushed by at least 12 Taliban insurgents (he says a dozen but there are about 15-16 actually drawn on panel). He claims that they were the most ruthless group of fighters he had ever seen, and his whole unit gets wiped out almost immediately. Left alone and with no ammo, Diggle is stabbed in the back with a hatchet, but just as the Taliban are about to finish him off, he rips the hatchet out of his back and uses it to kill every single one of them by himself. The whole battle took place before a scarf thrown in the air could reach the ground."
Okay he killed some terrorist. How is that more impressive than Bucky breaking out of SHIELD going through MULTIPLE agents as well Avengers including Falcon, Cap, Widow and T'Challa? How is that more impressive than Bucky storming helicarriers by himself killing multiple agents and disabling Falcon. How is beating taliban insurgents more impressive than Widow clearing hallways full of trained mercs twice her size? Or soloing hordes of superhuman robots and Aliens? Her skill allows her to contend with opponents John wouldn't last more than a minute with.
And how many hits did Bucky land on her in the mean time? And its not the point that her elbow attacks had no effect on him.
He never even tried to hit Widow though so I don't see your point.
The fight goes on for over 8-9 pages. Can't post it all, but basically, Oliver was able to hit him repeatedly, staggering him, pushing him in defensive, make him bleed with a hit, knocked him down with his hits, disarmed him. Though Caleb also had upper hand for some portion of fight. Oliver, in the end, came on top.
Didn't Oliver have help in that fight? And isn't there some context to that fight as well?
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