White Lantern Kyle Rayner vs Silver Surfer

Silver Surfers at full power

Kyle has a fulls ring charge

Fight takes place in space

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Kyle annihilates.

Kyle is a BEAST nowa days.

Kyle.

This is basically what was said in my White Lantern runs the gauntlet battle a while back. I asked for feats showing that White Lantern really is that strong, but no one ever gave me any. So I ask again, what are WL's feats?

white power

Kyle

So has Kyle done anything outside fight the Guardians with a rainbow of other lanterns?

Kyle hasn't actually done anything yet, and probably won't until Justin Jordan's run starts.

Nope he hasnt, he has just been on the receiving end of The First Lantern's manipulation. Until the First Lantern dies not sure if Kyle would really have any feats. That being said i am normally 1 issue behind people in USA.

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Couldn't Norrin just instantly decharge Kyle's ring?

Kyle could do the same to him

Really?

Ya I wouldn't doubt if Kyle just drained SS :/ he did it in a crossover (yes I know non canon, but still).

@cgoodness: The crossover is Canon

By power scaling and ABC logic, Kyle wins.

White Lantern Kyle > Sinestro Parallax > All of the Guardians of the Universe = Silver Surfer

By feats, we need to wait a while before WL actually gets much more feats. But if Kyle decides to feed on Silver Surfer's emotions, he can win, but that would have to be a morals off Rayner.

@dondave: it was?

@cgoodness: it was. It's considered canon by both companies, but rarely mentioned be either.

Yeah in a later story, Parallax: Emerald Night, Parallax talk about how he chased Cyborg Superman into the another universe, the MU.

@dondave: @cgoodness: @deathandgrim: @dondave: technically it's not canon anymore since New 52 reboot in which all previous DC history was erased so... also if all previous DC history was erased then the marvel universe should have also been affected as DC would have never meet but it wasn't ergo it wasn't canon

@mikep12: The Green Lanterns weren't retconned in New 52 though

@mikep12: Green Lanterns avoided that because of previous storylines right?

@deathandgrim: @reaverlation: really have they mentioned jade or Allan scott and why they have to change customs seems like a retcoon

@mikep12: There costumes are the same, Kyle's is the only that's changed and that was because he got a new power up, in the first few issues of New Guardians he had his Pre-52 suit and Geoff Johns has confirmed that Pre-52 stories are canon for the Green Lantern family.

@mikep12: @dondave put it perfectly

@dondave: That was stupid also Hal Jordan's suit changed he got the armor on the sides and maybe what he mean't by that is because we never saw Jason Todd die but that he still considered canon and that's how red hood came to be so maybe all this happened at one time in the new 52

We have seen Jason Todd die in the New 52.

@dondave: isn't that how things work from what I know Jason Todd died and was resurrected in the pit of green de aging green stuff they just skip it

@theirishdoctor: The OP didn't list off the ring's powers. It is really that strong.

Life Energy Conduit: The white ring draws on and is connected to the powers of life and creation.

• Emotional Spectrum Dominance: The white light is the first light and in essence, all of the other colors of the emotional spectrum combined. As such, a user of a white ring can generate any color of the emotional spectrum and use the powers of each color. The white ring also allows the user to access the rings of any member of any of the other corps and observe these members.

• Energy Blasts: They can fire energy blasts.

• Force Field Generation: The white power ring can create various forcefields of various sizes and shapes to protect the user and others around him/her. These force fields protect him/her from the hazards of the void including filtration of stellar radiation and microscopic particulate matter which would ordinarily be fatal should the space debris strike the ring wielder at high speeds. An atmosphere appropriate to the person's biology is created inside the force-field, body temperature is maintained and waste products are removed. Gravitational stresses which could cause injury are stabilized. Theoretically, a white lantern could use the ring as his/her/its sole source of life support.

• Energy Constructs: The white ring can form constructs of white energy. The primary function of the Power Ring is to provide a weapon capable of transforming the wearer's thoughts into physical constructs through the wearer's mastery of life and the entire emotional spectrum.A white lantern can create any particular items or construct that they can imagine as long as they have the mastery of emotions necessary to will it into existence. The constructs are made out of white energy, which is a tangible form of pure life, and they exist only as long as a white lantern is fueling it with their mastery of life energy. Items created by the rings are not indestructible and are only as powerful as the force of emotions of the white lantern that created them.

• Phasing: a white power ring allows the wielder to pass through certain solid objects, such as walls. Which objects that are not penetrable are not known, but it may depend upon the strength of the user and the density of the object's molecular structure.

• Environmental Playback: Upon their will, the white lantern can recreate a holographic environment based on data in its memory banks.

• Invisibility & Light Refraction: A white lantern can render him/her/itself invisible by willing themselves to bend light waves around his/her/its form.

• Energy Absorption: The white ring can absorb and store most other energies including the energy of the other colors in the emotional spectrum.

• Flight: By the manipulation of anti-gravitons and directed molecular movement, they can fly at incredible speeds. In atmosphere, a white lanternl has been known to fly as fast as Mach 10 in atmosphere by creating an aerodynamic envelope around his body. Towing others, usually within a bubble, his/her speed is limited to the twice the speed of sound or 1440 mph. In space,a white lantern speed can be significantly greater and has been known to approach 80% of lightspeed in normal space. Flight is possible at velocities exceeding light speed. In atmospheres, air friction is not a hindrance, since heat is either absorbed or reflected by the ring's field.

• Wormholes & Spacial Warps: Their power grants its wearer access to wormholes in space, enabling the them to rapidly cut time and distance needed for transport.

• Healing: The white rings have the ability to heal almost any injury, initial complete cellular regeneration, and in some instances resurrect the dead.

• Connection to Life: The white ring uses the energy of life and so is connected to all life. The ring can allow users to see the foot prints of life and see the past and present conditions of all life in a limited area around the user and even the "souls" or essence of those who have recently died.

from DCwikia

@keithcolby1995: wiki are not reliable and besides Surfer has all those powers and more

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Norrin.... I think

KYLE

Morals off, Silver Surfer wins. Reaction time counts.

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Kyle has a good chance without the white lantern power amp.

Surfer stomps all Lanterns at the same time!!!

@reaverlation: I really doubt that

@reaverlation: Exactly. He will use mattermanipulationblackhole/singularityintheirfaces before trappingtheminhisboardintheastralplanewherehe'somnipotent before they can blink like he does all the time.

He can do all they can, and more. Remember all those times he used energy-constructs that were so much MORE than any Lantern's?

Spite.

@xiix: Remember that Lanterns have human reactions and Surfer is faster than Wally West as well

@reaverlation: He don't gotta explain sh!t.

Because power-cosmic.

Therefor he's immune to having his momentum stolen, his energy drained, his mind violated and and being hurt by pretty much anything at all, unless it exceeds a super-nova, which might just scratch him(MAYBE).

Because power-cosmic.

@xiix: Pssh even @dondave agrees that Surfer stomps all Lanterns in a nanosecond!

@reaverlation: Exactly.

Can anyone show me a scan of Surfer getting harmed by a Green-Lantern?

No. And crossovers don't count, unless I say so/it supports my argument.

You'd need to add at least the other Corps, but once he jumps in the astral-plane like he did all those 1 times, he stomps because he said he can't be drained there.

If you can't drain him, that means he's unbeatable there/omnipotent.

You can't deny this.

@xiix: Surfer stomps Volthoom because of the Astral Plane and the Big Crunch!

XiiX has said it all

@reaverlation: As you can see here, it's confirmed on panel that Surfer IS power. Lanterns need power for their rings to work, and Surfer wouldn't give them any.

He just says "no", then they have no power.

You can't deny this.

/Thread.

@xiix: I wonder who would win:He-Man or Surfer in a contest of power

@reaverlation:

Step 1. He-Man has the power

Step 2. Surfer is power

Step 3. Surfer has the power-cosmic/astral-plane

Step 4. He-Man has the power, which Silver-Surfer is along with the astral-plane

Step 5. ?????????

Step 6. Omnipotence via astral-plane because power-cosmic profit.