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#1 Posted by Bookman (832 posts) - - Show Bio

Both suits are at full power. Who wins?

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#2 Posted by King Saturn (220745 posts) - - Show Bio

War Machine would beat Steel

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#3 Posted by The_Martian (37399 posts) - - Show Bio

Steel easy.

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#4 Posted by King Saturn (220745 posts) - - Show Bio
Nobody said:
"Steel easy."
How ? Steel doesnt really have Superman level Strength or Speed here. I think War Machine's Tech would really give him the Advantage here
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#5 Posted by Slinger (5779 posts) - - Show Bio

Man, this thread's too early! War Machine is getting a huge power up soon. Currently War Machine at full power I'm pretty sure would smoke steel anyway though. Are we counting his S.S.O.N.E. suit? Cause that one would totally wreck him.

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#6 Posted by The_Martian (37399 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"Nobody said:
"Steel easy."
How ? Steel doesnt really have Superman level Strength or Speed here. I think War Machine's Tech would really give him the Advantage here
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Steel's hammer could easily wreak right through War Machine's armor, where as War Machine would have to put out quite a bit of fire power to damage Steel's armor.
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#7 Posted by vance_astro (89968 posts) - - Show Bio

War Machine....CURBSTOMP.

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#8 Posted by Holacik (599 posts) - - Show Bio
Vance Astro said:
"War Machine....CURBSTOMP."
^ I agree.
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#9 Posted by The Man of Yesteryear (5592 posts) - - Show Bio

With prep, Steel can win.

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#10 Posted by vance_astro (89968 posts) - - Show Bio

War Machine.OVERKILL.

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#11 Posted by The Man of Yesteryear (5592 posts) - - Show Bio

What is War Machine's suit like at full power?

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#12 Posted by vance_astro (89968 posts) - - Show Bio
The Man of Yesteryear said:
"What is War Machine's suit like at full power?"
You haven't been reading War Machine? War Machine is loaded with weapons and he pretty much has healing factor.
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#13 Posted by The Man of Yesteryear (5592 posts) - - Show Bio

At full power, Steel can install the Watchtower security systems and use it as his armor. Which includes full remote control of all weapons in the Watchtower.

But if that is enough, I don't know.

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#14 Posted by bloodmist (1049 posts) - - Show Bio

Steel seems to be underestimated...he could take war machine.

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#15 Posted by vance_astro (89968 posts) - - Show Bio
bloodmist said:
"Steel seems to be underestimated...he could take war machine."
No he couldn't.Steel isn't under-estimated he's not on War Machine's level.
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#16 Posted by LordCosmicKing (2717 posts) - - Show Bio

i didnt think steel was that powerful to compete against ppl like ironman or war machine

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#17 Posted by Nighthunter (29571 posts) - - Show Bio

Steel beat Eradicator, he'll handle War Machine

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#18 Posted by LordCosmicKing (2717 posts) - - Show Bio

then they should really change his physical stats

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#19 Posted by King Saturn (220745 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"Steel beat Eradicator, he'll handle War Machine"
That Had To Be Bad Writing though... not the way Eradicator was handling Superman
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#20 Posted by vance_astro (89968 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"Steel beat Eradicator, he'll handle War Machine"
Steel beating Eradicator is more ridiculous than Gambit beating Gladiator.
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#21 Posted by Nighthunter (29571 posts) - - Show Bio

it was the first appearance of both, I doubt that it can be counted as bad writing

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#22 Posted by King Saturn (220745 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"it was the first appearance of both, I doubt that it can be counted as bad writing"
Okay... I will give you that... but from what has been stated later on Steel is hardly a 100 ton strength character...
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#23 Posted by vance_astro (89968 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"it was the first appearance of both, I doubt that it can be counted as bad writing"
If it was their first appearances it is more likely it was bad writing.
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#24 Posted by HalJordan1986x (4853 posts) - - Show Bio

If at full power wouldn't Steel have aegis armor ?

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#25 Posted by Nighthunter (29571 posts) - - Show Bio
King Saturn said:
"Nighthunter said:
"it was the first appearance of both, I doubt that it can be counted as bad writing"
Okay... I will give you that... but from what has been stated later on Steel is hardly a 100 ton strength character... "
which would still be stronger than War machine
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#26 Posted by King Saturn (220745 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"King Saturn said:
"Nighthunter said:
"it was the first appearance of both, I doubt that it can be counted as bad writing"
Okay... I will give you that... but from what has been stated later on Steel is hardly a 100 ton strength character... "
which would still be stronger than War machine"
Truth... but they are actually much closer than I thought... Steel is around 90 and War Machine is listed at 85...
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#27 Posted by Nighthunter (29571 posts) - - Show Bio

ain't Tony's last armor level 80? how come war machine's is better?

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#28 Posted by King Saturn (220745 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"ain't Tony's last armor level 80? how come war machine's is better?"
I have no clue... let this be a lesson to never use a Marvel wiki again...

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#29 Posted by Nighthunter (29571 posts) - - Show Bio

I could be wrong though, who knows

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#30 Posted by King Saturn (220745 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"I could be wrong though, who knows"
True Indeed
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#31 Posted by vance_astro (89968 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"ain't Tony's last armor level 80? how come war machine's is better?"
Iron Man is class 100..War Machine is class 90.
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#32 Posted by Graft (1769 posts) - - Show Bio

Steel

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#33 Posted by vance_astro (89968 posts) - - Show Bio

War Machine.

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#34 Posted by Nighthunter (29571 posts) - - Show Bio

Eradicator may have been powered-up after the battle, even so he was stronger than Superboy

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#35 Posted by vance_astro (89968 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"Eradicator may have been powered-up after the battle, even so he was stronger than Superboy"
So then Steel beating him would be PIS....
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#36 Posted by Nighthunter (29571 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't think it is, PIS would be for Steel to beat Eradicator now. If both were established on similar power levels but one was powered-up over time while the other wasn't, that doesn't make it PIS to beat him before the power-up

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#37 Posted by vance_astro (89968 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"I don't think it is, PIS would be for Steel to beat Eradicator now. If both were established on similar power levels but one was powered-up over time while the other wasn't, that doesn't make it PIS to beat him before the power-up"

Steel isn't that powerful.Last time I checked Eradiactor could compete with Supes.Steel cannot..therefore it's PIS.If it was a weaker version of Eradicator..than the feat isn't mentionable.
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#38 Posted by Nighthunter (29571 posts) - - Show Bio

During "The return of the Supermen" Steel, Eradicator, Superboy and Cyborg Superman were introduced, except for Cyborg Superman none of them were a superman power level, over time writers started to power-up Eradicator, making him more of a threat to Superman.

In his first appearance while he still had all of his powers, Eradicator wasn't able to beat Steel, yet he could still level buildings and showed a few feats, beating Eradicator is still a feat but not one as great as beating him on his current power levels

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#39 Posted by vance_astro (89968 posts) - - Show Bio
Nighthunter said:
"During "The return of the Supermen" Steel, Eradicator, Superboy and Cyborg Superman were introduced, except for Cyborg Superman none of them were a superman power level, over time writers started to power-up Eradicator, making him more of a threat to Superman.

In his first appearance while he still had all of his powers, Eradicator wasn't able to beat Steel, yet he could still level buildings and showed a few feats, beating Eradicator is still a feat but not one as great as beating him on his current power levels"
i understand what your saying but they still may have given Steel a pass because he is a hero.From what I have seen of Steel in the last two years...he is not on the level of someone who can easily reduce a building to rubble.
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#40 Posted by DcMarvelUnity (65 posts) - - Show Bio

Steel is the better, more interesting character. He has a cooler backstory, better costume and more unique personality. He's nobody's sidekick, and no matter what you say, "iron man's sidekick" is all war machine was ever supposed to be. They can mess around with the character all they want, he's still just a poor man's iron man,  

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#41 Posted by vance_astro (89968 posts) - - Show Bio
@DcMarvelUnity said:
Steel is the better, more interesting character. He has a cooler backstory, better costume and more unique personality. He's nobody's sidekick, and no matter what you say, "iron man's sidekick" is all war machine was ever supposed to be. They can mess around with the character all they want, he's still just a poor man's iron man,  
Steel is a poorman's Iron Man too he's just DC's version.
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#42 Posted by terry2012 (9256 posts) - - Show Bio

Steel wins. Didn't steel took on metallo?

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#43 Posted by Decoy Elite (30159 posts) - - Show Bio

Steel's full power armor would technically be the JLA Moon Base(which he used as armor against Triumph. (Unless he got a stronger armor I don't know about.)

Assuming he's in his normal armor, I don't know enough about War Machine's best armor to really say, Steel's hammer is versatile as heck and probably could rip through most suits but I honestly can't think of many durability feats for him. (He did survive a hit from Triumph who IIRC was Superman level during said fight, but it trashed his armor)

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#44 Posted by Static Shock (51751 posts) - - Show Bio

@DcMarvelUnity said:

Steel is the better, more interesting character. He has a cooler backstory, better costume and more unique personality. He's nobody's sidekick, and no matter what you say, "iron man's sidekick" is all war machine was ever supposed to be. They can mess around with the character all they want, he's still just a poor man's iron man,

Rhodey's armor was created for the sole purpose of being Iron Man's partner, not his sidekick. Rhodey actually took over as Iron Man (while Tony relapsed with alcoholism), wearing the War Machine suit for the first time. At that point, Rhodey didn't even start out as a sidekick, but he filled in the role of another superhero.

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#45 Posted by Static Shock (51751 posts) - - Show Bio

@Decoy Elite: I remember that fight. Steel was getting his can kicked.

@terry2012: Metallo isn't that strong.

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#46 Posted by Decoy Elite (30159 posts) - - Show Bio

@Static Shock: Until he used the Moon Base as his armor, of course by the point the fight might as well have been over.

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#47 Edited by DcMarvelUnity (65 posts) - - Show Bio

@ vanceastro - I disagree. I mean, if we go back far enough, we could say every technologically driven super hero is a just a more human version of the original human torch. Ignoring the single, obvious similarity between Steel and Iron Man - that being they fly in super-powered suits of armor - and moving to other defining character traits, we've got John Henry Irons, a steel-drivin' - man vs drunk rich kid tony stark and his buddy James Rhodes. 
 

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  This version of Steel, from JL new frontier, is cooler and more interesting than any version of war machine. Standing up to racism in the southern united states makes for a far more compelling character than "man who puts on Iron Man's armor and gets his own comic" - which is what happened with War Machine.  
 
The cannon version of steel, being a tech genius who was saved by and inspired by superman - to the point where he designed his own (very cool looking) costume and got out there to fight crime is also pretty awesome. There was a line in an old Steel comic, "If everyone superman saved did that, there'd be no crime anywhere". Steel is a living example of how inspiring a figure Superman is - and he fights racism as well as crime.  
 
War Machine is just a dude in a grey version of Iron Man's armor. 
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#48 Posted by Static Shock (51751 posts) - - Show Bio

@Decoy Elite said:

@Static Shock: Until he used the Moon Base as his armor, of course by the point the fight might as well have been over.

I don't remember that part.

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#49 Posted by Decoy Elite (30159 posts) - - Show Bio

@Static Shock said:

@Decoy Elite said:

@Static Shock: Until he used the Moon Base as his armor, of course by the point the fight might as well have been over.

I don't remember that part.

After he got stomped the first go, Steel survived and went through the duct system of the JLA base. He reached some control room, and basically used the entire base as his "armor"(IIRC he said the whole base was his armor) and slammed Triumph around before Spectre came into the picture.

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#50 Posted by DcMarvelUnity (65 posts) - - Show Bio
@Static Shock said:

@DcMarvelUnity said:

Steel is the better, more interesting character. He has a cooler backstory, better costume and more unique personality. He's nobody's sidekick, and no matter what you say, "iron man's sidekick" is all war machine was ever supposed to be. They can mess around with the character all they want, he's still just a poor man's iron man,

Rhodey's armor was created for the sole purpose of being Iron Man's partner, not his sidekick. Rhodey actually took over as Iron Man (while Tony relapsed with alcoholism), wearing the War Machine suit for the first time. At that point, Rhodey didn't even start out as a sidekick, but he filled in the role of another superhero.

lol - Robin considers himself Batman's "partner" too. He's a sidekick.  
 
They bring in a guy with the exact same powers as Iron Man, Tony Stark, except Tony built the suit for him, wore it first, has the same powers in his suit, and has the cooler looking costume - but War Machine is supposed be on equal footing with Iron Man? .... riiiiiight.