Unalaq vs Zuko

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Unalaq is trying to get to the spirit portals in order to merge with Vaatu, but Zuko, who has suddenly reverted to his younger self to the the cosmic oddities during Harmonic Convergence, is attempting to stop him! Will Zuko prevail against Unalaq, or will the Philosophical Waterbender destroy his very soul?

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  • They start 30 feet away from each other.
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  • Morals Off
  • Post-Dragon Zuko
  • Pre-Dark Avatar Unalaq
  • Zuko can use his swords if he has to.
  • If Unalaq gets the chance, he can use his spiritual waterbending to destroy Zuko's soul.
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Unalaq wrecks him. Unalaq wasn't even in his Dark Avatar State for the majority of his fight with Korra, so almost all of those feats are valid

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@arcus said:

Unalaq wrecks him. Unalaq wasn't even in his Dark Avatar State for the majority of his fight with Korra, so almost all of those feats are valid

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Unalaq in a decent fight

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#6  Edited By Jmarshmallow

@arcus said:

Unalaq wrecks him. Unalaq wasn't even in his Dark Avatar State for the majority of his fight with Korra, so almost all of those feats are valid

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@gxrevolution96 said:

@arcus said:

Unalaq wrecks him. Unalaq wasn't even in his Dark Avatar State for the majority of his fight with Korra, so almost all of those feats are valid

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Alright, alright, I get it. Now, imagine just for a second, if I threw in Sozin's Comet to equal things out, since Unalaq apparently destroys Zuko? Would that even things out? Or would that make the battle a stomp in Zuko's favor?

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#10  Edited By Abyssdarkfire

@gxrevolution96 said:

@arcus said:

Unalaq wrecks him. Unalaq wasn't even in his Dark Avatar State for the majority of his fight with Korra, so almost all of those feats are valid

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@dreadpool10: Sozin's Comet Zuko would win pretty decisively, Unalaq could maybe win at night at one of the poles but not a majority

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#13  Edited By Sy8000

@arcus said:

@highaccuser: how does Zuko win?

Much better established power levels and the agility to avoid him for the majority.

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@arcus said:

@highaccuser: how does Zuko win?

Much better established power levels and the agility to avoid him for the majority.

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Unalaq's power levels are established just fine, he's agile enough to avoid Avatar State attacks

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Before unalaq gets vaatu, zuko. Afterwards, unalaq sweeps, regardless of the comet.

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@princearagorn1: almost all of Unalaq's feats from his final fight with Korra are his own power, he only entered the Dark Avatar State in his tug of war with Korra

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@arcus said:

@princearagorn1: almost all of Unalaq's feats from his final fight with Korra are his own power, he only entered the Dark Avatar State in his tug of war with Korra

Actually, he boosted himself with avatar state when the fight started.

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@princearagorn1: he entered it when they merged, but that was it. The boost doesn't last indefinitely, otherwise he and Korra wouldn't have needed to enter it again

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@arcus said:

@princearagorn1: he entered it when they merged, but that was it. The boost doesn't last indefinitely, otherwise he and Korra wouldn't have needed to enter it again

No one said it lasted indefinitely. Just that he was using it in their fight since the start.

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i have to give my vote to unalaq. he is just more skilled and versatile

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#22  Edited By Arcus1

@princearagorn1: but he wasn't using it since the start. If he was, why'd he need to enter it again?

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@princearagorn1: ok, so you agree

It seems that the boost only lasts a brief moment after the eyes glow, enough for about one move. Meaning that after they returned to the physical world Unalaq's bending was his own

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#25  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

@arcus said:

@princearagorn1: ok, so you agree

It seems that the boost only lasts a brief moment after the eyes glow, enough for about one move. Meaning that after they returned to the physical world Unalaq's bending was his own

lol what? he entered dark AS when it ran out..

Unalaq by his own bending got one shotted by avatar korra. Only reason he was even a threat was the spirit.

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@princearagorn1:

How do you know he entered it when it ran out? I'm just going by the fact that all the other times we've seen an Avatar use s brief Avatar State they only use it for about one move or action

Yeah, he got swept up in a vortex by Avatar State Korra before having his own Avatar State to match, so? And he got pushed back by Korra with airbending when he had a limited amount of water and no room to avoid it, after successfully blocking or dodging all of Korra and Mako's firebending and tagging both of them

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@arcus:

How do you know he entered it when it ran out? I'm just going by the fact that all the other times we've seen an Avatar use s brief Avatar State they only use it for about one move or action.

? Korra used it throughout the fight just fine.

Yeah, he got swept up in a vortex by Avatar State Korra before having his own Avatar State to match, so? And he got pushed back by Korra with airbending when he had a limited amount of water and no room to avoid it, after successfully blocking or dodging all of Korra and Mako's firebending and tagging both of them

Exactly. Without vaatu, he's pretty much fodder to AS korra.

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@princearagorn1:

Korra wasn't using the Avatar State continuously throughout the fight either

You say that like it's a bad thing to go down to the Avatar State

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@arcus said:

@princearagorn1:

Korra wasn't using the Avatar State continuously throughout the fight either

Yep - they were only boosting their bending by briefly flashing into avatar state.

You say that like it's a bad thing to go down to the Avatar State

lol.

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@princearagorn1:

Unalaq only flashed when he merged with Vaatu and at the end. Korra used it when Unalaq had her trapped in ice, at the end, and maybe at the beginning though I don't remember. The majority of it was unenhanced

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@arcus: ? Unalaq glowed at the start, and korra glowed briefly during. The glow enhances bending, it's not possible for them to be unenhanced..

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@princearagorn1: except the enhancement doesn't last that long, and the majority of what we saw in that fight was hardly Avatar State bending

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#34  Edited By PrinceAragorn1
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@princearagorn1: except the enhancement doesn't last that long,

says what, exactly? It lasted pretty long in their fight.

and the majority of what we saw in that fight was hardly Avatar State bending

? Unalaq is fodder to avatar state korra as already established - it's not possible for him to be not enhanced.

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@dreadpool10: Its not that bad, but honestly

Round 1 is pretty close prolly 6/10 unalaq

But as for Round 2 Unalaq wins prolly 9/10

It was a good fight though and great job on picking the area.

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Unalaq takes this fight, argueably the best water bender in both series.

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#37  Edited By NighThunder

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I think Unalaq.

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#39  Edited By GXrevolution96

? Unalaq is fodder to avatar state korra as already established - it's not possible for him to be not enhanced.

Thats because Korra was hardly using her avatar state. Unalaq and Korra were mostly fighting each other at base levels, only using their avatar states for momentary boosts e.g. When Korra broke out of the ice fissure. Unalaq only enters the avatar state once during the entire fight. Korra uses it twice. When she breaks out of the fissure, and during the tug of war.

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@princearagorn1: but it didn't last that long. Korra had to enter it again shortly into the fight to break out of the ice

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#41  Edited By LokLegends

Are people seriously suggesting that comet Zuko could take Unalaq? Wow. In base, its debatable, but Vaatu amped Unalaq? The guy who was evenly matched with avatar state Korra.

Zuko gets one shotted, and dies a most unfortunate death.

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Unalaq handily

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hmm difficult i think i would give it to Unalaq guy was impressive.

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I think some people(@Loklegends) are getting a tad bit ahead of themselves. I clearly said in the OP that this was Unalaq BEFORE becoming the dark avatar.

On tablet, but I'm gonna be back later on my laptop to make a few more clarifications.

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@princearagorn1 said:

? Unalaq is fodder to avatar state korra as already established - it's not possible for him to be not enhanced.

Thats because Korra was hardly using her avatar state. Unalaq and Korra were mostly fighting each other at base levels, only using their avatar states for momentary boosts e.g. When Korra broke out of the ice fissure. Unalaq only enters the avatar state once during the entire fight. Korra uses it twice. When she breaks out of the fissure, and during the tug of war.

They weren't using full avatar state, but they used it for a flash - which we know amps bending in base to extreme (like with aang):

Without the amp, unalaq is practically fodder to AS korra, as shown by their earlier encounter.

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@princearagorn1: but it didn't last that long. Korra had to enter it again shortly into the fight to break out of the ice

She entered it when it ran out.. so? I'm saying is they were using the AS flash which gives a massive amp.

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@princearagorn1: yeah, a flash amps bending for a short time, but they weren't amped the whole fight

So, we know that by the time Unalaq split the ice and trapped Korra, Korra wasn't amped anymore, right? Therefore Unalaq wouldn't be amped anymore either, since he hadn't re-entered the Avatar State. So at the very least, everything from that point onward was his own power until he entered the Dark AS agaij in his tug of war with Korra

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#47  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

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@princearagorn1: yeah, a flash amps bending for a short time, but they weren't amped the whole fight

Why not? They both used it when they needed?

So, we know that by the time Unalaq split the ice and trapped Korra, Korra wasn't amped anymore, right? Therefore Unalaq wouldn't be amped anymore either, since he hadn't re-entered the Avatar State. So at the very least, everything from that point onward was his own power until he entered the Dark AS agaij in his tug of war with Korra

Actually, korra used the flash a lot before unalaq did.

Either way, there is no reason they were purposefully holding back power.

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@arcus said:

@princearagorn1: yeah, a flash amps bending for a short time, but they weren't amped the whole fight

Why not? They both used it when they needed?

So, we know that by the time Unalaq split the ice and trapped Korra, Korra wasn't amped anymore, right? Therefore Unalaq wouldn't be amped anymore either, since he hadn't re-entered the Avatar State. So at the very least, everything from that point onward was his own power until he entered the Dark AS agaij in his tug of war with Korra

Actually, korra used the flash a lot before unalaq did.

Either way, there is no reason they were purposefully holding back power.

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This at the very least, does that look like Avatar State bending to you? Is it good bending, sure, but Avatar State level?

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As for why they weren't using it continuously? Probably the same reason Roku didn't use the Avatar State instantly against the volcano, or Aang didn't use it instantly against Yakone-a combination of plot, desire to use the Avatar State only when necessary, and the writers wanting to show some feats for the characters

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@arcus:

This at the very least, does that look like Avatar State bending to you? Is it good bending, sure, but Avatar State level?

This is Avatar State bending

Do read the comments before - I've repeatedly said they're NOT in full avatar state.

We know, however, they used momentary avatar state which is a massive amp on regular bending.

As for why they weren't using it continuously? Probably the same reason Roku didn't use the Avatar State instantly against the volcano, or Aang didn't use it instantly against Yakone-a combination of plot, desire to use the Avatar State only when necessary, and the writers wanting to show some feats for the characters.

The reason is simple enough, avatar state is a defense mechanism and dying in it. It's risky to stay in it.

Full avatar state is irrelevant here. I am talking about the avatar state flash - amp.

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@arcus:

This at the very least, does that look like Avatar State bending to you? Is it good bending, sure, but Avatar State level?

This is Avatar State bending

Do read the comments before - I've repeatedly said they're NOT in full avatar state.

We know, however, they used momentary avatar state which is a massive amp on regular bending.

As for why they weren't using it continuously? Probably the same reason Roku didn't use the Avatar State instantly against the volcano, or Aang didn't use it instantly against Yakone-a combination of plot, desire to use the Avatar State only when necessary, and the writers wanting to show some feats for the characters.

The reason is simple enough, avatar state is a defense mechanism and dying in it. It's risky to stay in it.

Full avatar state is irrelevant here. I am talking about the avatar state flash - amp.

The momentary Avatar State flash allowed Kyoshi to form Kyoshi Island, it's amp is no different from when the Avatar State is used continuously, it's just when Avatars need a boost for a powerful move. That doesn't mean Korra and Unalaq were amped throughout the fight