Time Lords vs The Celestials

I hope you realise that you have been an obnoxious cunt for the entire thread.

1. The doctor and Rose (as the bad wolf entity) dialogue:

The Doctor: The power's gonna kill you and it's my fault!

Rose: I can see everything... all that is... all that was... all that ever could be...

The Doctor: [stands up] But that's what *I* see. All the time. And doesn't it drive you mad?

Rose: [Rose nods, barely able to speak] My head...

-Doctor Who S01E13: The Parting of Ways 2.

2. Doctor and rose first meeting:

The Doctor: the turn of the earth. The ground beneath our feet is spinning at a thousand miles an hour. The entire planet is hurtling around the sun at sixty seven thousand miles an hour. And I can feel it. We're falling through space, you and me, clinging to the skin of this tiny little world. And, if we let go...

[He releases her hand]

That's who I am.. Now forget me, rose tyler.

- Doctor Who S01E01: Rose.

Idk if it's just the doctor, or all the time lords. I'm inclined to think it's the latter, as doctor doesn't show any additional powers than other time lords. Not to my knowledge at least.

@princearagorn1: How did those show ability to create time locks? As to the altering the universe, the Doctor IIRC is the only one we ever see, other than Rassilon( who's all kinds of broken ) and maybe another one or two, and it is more along the lines of collapsing probability in his favor that straight up altering the universe.

Sorry, the first point (experiences time like no other) I generally agree with, it was the time lock without tech. When did that actually happen?

@the_imperator:

Ah, I just gave two examples of Doctor's perception of time/space.

Celestials stomp

@princearagorn1: Yeah, I knew those. If you want another on how he perceives space time, here's a link to some of his feats from other places than the TV show.

Damn that's...... That's OP as hell I have watch Doctor who but I never assumed it went that far

@cjdavis103: Yeah, the novels are often crazy, delving into lots of crap. Though some are frankly terribly written, others are excellently written and can almost stand alone as sci-fi adventures in their own right.

The seeing all of time thing is from the TV show as well, though, as is the being a complex space/time event (Time of Angels). So most of that is mentioned in the show as well. Moffat likes to make nods like that. Most of RTD's nods when he ran the show were in the form of commentary, like this: http://www.factpile.com/7657-daleks-vs-stargate/comment-page-3/#comments, see post #211 for the quoted article.

@the_imperator: I had a healthy appreciation of how BA the doctor was but I feel why short of that kind of power damn makes you wonder how he does not abuse that kind of power he can quite literally do anything and there is not much anyone can do to stop him. show how scary a time lord Victorious can be

@cjdavis103: Most of that stuff is never applicable unless a scenario straight up states that the Doc is going to go all out. Most scenarios don't so it's really just a fun look into why 7 was such a dangerous being and why Time chose him to use as her champion.

The Celestials are the definitely impressive.

But let's not forget that the Time Lords are AT THEIR HEIGHT. It is implied that the technology they possessed at their height had incredible capabilities of warping time, creating and maintaining singularities and destroying whole Dalek armies alike.

I'm giving it to the celestials 6-7/10 but the time lords definitely put up a good fight

Scathan disaproves of them ever bing in existace

Yeah.

I mean seriously, the celestials can do everything the time lords can do and more, so many known celestials could solo

@sebast_allen: man i deleted my post, something is wrong with cv lol.

Thats the pic you posted, but were you saying that any timelord could solo the celestials?

@sebast_allen: no thats crazy, i think one celestial vs time lords it's more fair.

Yeah, a mid tier celestial

Celestials should win pretty easily. They have immense innate powers, not to mention have plenty of tech to match the Time Lords. They win.

@scoop316: are celstuals multiversal in power? If not the time lords lock the marvel universe then destroy it

Time lords take it

The Celestials are very powerful and immense in relation to their respective rank/food chains but are they even anything new to a Time Lord? I don`t think so and what`s stopping the Time Lords from absorbing their Time Vortexes then creating their own kind of reality bomb but with Time Lord influence within the principles of tech?

yes. It's said that high tier celestials are a match for LT.

@princearagorn1: then the time lords might have a fight in there hands. How good is the Celestrials time travel tech?

Celestials willed the multiverse into existence. One single Celestial is greater than universal reality manipulation (Cosmic Cubes). All of them together would be able to take down the Time Lords.

@the_imperator: okay I did not know that. the time lords lose but the fight obliterates all creation in the process

From the old show, are they more powerful then current Time Lords? Never got into Dr. Who that much outside of a few shows. But this topic is interesting to read.

@vaeternus: Technically, there are no feats for current Time Lords, as they are stuck in a single instant in time, lost somewhere in the universe/multiverse. Most Time Lord stuff comes from the old series and the audios, with a couple things thrown in by the show writer Russel T Davies back when he was in charge.

By the Time War era, while they were near the most militarized, they were just recovering from not existing and a Gallifreyan civil war, so they weren't in top form.

@the_imperator: Ohh hmm sounds interesting. So old show time lords are very different from current show time lords then?

@vaeternus: Time Lords haven't appeared in the new show, save a small presence in Day of the Doctor and the surprise villains of End of Time. We haven't gotten to see Gallifrey as it was during the Time War, only at the very end and some bits right before it began.

I think each side are both on par with each others technology. The celestials are what the timelords would of become if Rassilon actually turned every timelord in "beings of pure conciousness". So each side has 50 percent chance of winning. Or ofcourse, stalemate.

With prep the Time Lords could theoretically destroy the Celestials. Without prep Celestials would stomp.