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#1 Posted by TDK_1997 (17382 posts) - - Show Bio

Place:Gotham City street fight
No interfearence
Fight to K.O

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#2 Posted by DaDivineKing (42371 posts) - - Show Bio

jason wins

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#3 Posted by Out_of_Space (778 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm not sure who will win but i will say Jason Todd.

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#4 Posted by velle37 (6117 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason.....
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#5 Posted by Wattup (682 posts) - - Show Bio

Tim may be better skilled (he's improved since Jason bested him in Teen Titans...and Tim did beat him in Robin) but all-around, Jason is a shade lower than Dick Grayson. He also isn't afraid to fight dirty.

Jason but if Tim knows he's coming, Drake's got it as he's like Bruce-level smart.

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#6 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (6649 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason Todd wins. He's more ruthless and one of the best tacticians in DC. If it wasn't for his arrogance and pride he would have been the next Batman. Even Bruce said Jason was the most gifted kid he'd ever seen.

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#7 Posted by God_Spawn (40620 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason....again.

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#8 Posted by LeonardoTMNT (1598 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Tim could take him now.

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#9 Posted by theicon (1827 posts) - - Show Bio

jason todd all the way

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#10 Posted by CalamitySam (89 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason is often really underrated. In Under the Red Hood, he fairly easily managed to avoid and escape from Batman and Nightwing, who are both two of the best acrobats not to mention Jason's Batman level training. Jason stomps. Hard.

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#11 Posted by JediXMan (37487 posts) - - Show Bio

Been done. Jason has consistently beaten Tim.

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#12 Posted by God_Spawn (40620 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan said:
" Been done. Jason has consistently beaten Tim. "
Yup people should just usually stick with the
Dick>Jason>Tim> Damian thing
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#13 Posted by JediXMan (37487 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn:

Agreed. And Steph should be at the bottom of the Robins list (even if she wasn't a real Robin)
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#14 Posted by God_Spawn (40620 posts) - - Show Bio
@JediXMan: Steph loses most of her battles on here anyway lol.
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#15 Posted by saiyan_earthling (5890 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason, he's more violent.

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#16 Posted by entropy_aegis (18162 posts) - - Show Bio
@Supermanwithatan01 said:
" Jason Todd wins. He's more ruthless and one of the best tacticians in DC. If it wasn't for his arrogance and pride he would have been the next Batman. Even Bruce said Jason was the most gifted kid he'd ever seen.
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Best tacticains in DC?????heh somewhere out there Lex,Slade and Darkseid are crying.Jason would never had become Batman dude. Bruce had yet to meet Tim and Damian when he complimented Todd like that(not even sure he did) must have been angry at Dick as well,cause all 3 of them showed special abilitiy even before their Robin careers what did Jason have before becoming Robin?Oh and i do recall Bruce saying that bringing Jason in to this was a mistake cause he was'nt as good as Dick.
That scan means nothing,there's one where Tim Kicks him as well.
But Todd wins.
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#17 Posted by Nefarious (32801 posts) - - Show Bio

Been done a couple of times.

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#18 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (6649 posts) - - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis said:
" @Supermanwithatan01 said:
" Jason Todd wins. He's more ruthless and one of the best tacticians in DC. If it wasn't for his arrogance and pride he would have been the next Batman. Even Bruce said Jason was the most gifted kid he'd ever seen.
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Best tacticains in DC?????heh somewhere out there Lex,Slade and Darkseid are crying.Jason would never had become Batman dude. Bruce had yet to meet Tim and Damian when he complimented Todd like that(not even sure he did) must have been angry at Dick as well,cause all 3 of them showed special abilitiy even before their Robin careers what did Jason have before becoming Robin?Oh and i do recall Bruce saying that bringing Jason in to this was a mistake cause he was'nt as good as Dick.That scan means nothing,there's one where Tim Kicks him as well.But Todd wins. "
Jason acts solely on revenge and vengeance, you are talking about Luthor who is brilliant and has a urge to attain power, and Darkseid who is a god and powerful character. I said one of the best tacticians because he is. If he removed emotion from the equation then he'd be a beast. Or woulda been. But the Grayson>Todd>Drake>Wayne (Obviously Damien) still stands to reason.
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#19 Posted by Sgtcrispy (419 posts) - - Show Bio
@Supermanwithatan01 said:
" Jason Todd wins. He's more ruthless and one of the best tacticians in DC. If it wasn't for his arrogance and pride he would have been the next Batman. Even Bruce said Jason was the most gifted kid he'd ever seen.
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Pretty sure Bruce later said Dick and Tim had gifts but Jason didn't, he had only rage. Either way Jason wins.
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#20 Posted by sa5m (2381 posts) - - Show Bio

I believe Jason =)

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#21 Posted by entropy_aegis (18162 posts) - - Show Bio
@Supermanwithatan01 said:
" @entropy_aegis said:
" @Supermanwithatan01 said:
" Jason Todd wins. He's more ruthless and one of the best tacticians in DC. If it wasn't for his arrogance and pride he would have been the next Batman. Even Bruce said Jason was the most gifted kid he'd ever seen.
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Best tacticains in DC?????heh somewhere out there Lex,Slade and Darkseid are crying.Jason would never had become Batman dude. Bruce had yet to meet Tim and Damian when he complimented Todd like that(not even sure he did) must have been angry at Dick as well,cause all 3 of them showed special abilitiy even before their Robin careers what did Jason have before becoming Robin?Oh and i do recall Bruce saying that bringing Jason in to this was a mistake cause he was'nt as good as Dick.That scan means nothing,there's one where Tim Kicks him as well.But Todd wins. "
Jason acts solely on revenge and vengeance, you are talking about Luthor who is brilliant and has a urge to attain power, and Darkseid who is a god and powerful character. I said one of the best tacticians because he is. If he removed emotion from the equation then he'd be a beast. Or woulda been. But the Grayson>Todd>Drake>Wayne (Obviously Damien) still stands to reason. "
No he is'nt,he's a good tactician no doubt but one of the best?seriously.Why should we remove emotion?it's a part of the character infact it's a defining part of the character.By that logic why not remove arrogance from Darkseid,Doom and Lex?or morals from the likes of Deathstroke,Bane and Ra's al Ghul?
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#22 Edited by Zoom (14751 posts) - - Show Bio
@Supermanwithatan01 said:

" Jason Todd wins. He's more ruthless and one of the best tacticians in DC. If it wasn't for his arrogance and pride he would have been the next Batman. Even Bruce said Jason was the most gifted kid he'd ever seen.

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Tim Drake wins.
He's far smarter and has trained far harder than Jason ever did.  Jason will never be Batman because Jason is insane and also because Nightwing is better than Jason at everything.  Jason's arrogance and pride are weaknesses that Tim does not have.   Jason was purposely written as a lousy character and you have bad taste for liking him.
  
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#23 Posted by entropy_aegis (18162 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom:
LOL.
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#24 Posted by Silver2467 (16987 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
" @Supermanwithatan01 said:
" Jason Todd wins. He's more ruthless and one of the best tacticians in DC. If it wasn't for his arrogance and pride he would have been the next Batman. Even Bruce said Jason was the most gifted kid he'd ever seen.
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Hahahahahahaha!
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#25 Posted by God_Spawn (40620 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
" @Supermanwithatan01 said:

" Jason Todd wins. He's more ruthless and one of the best tacticians in DC. If it wasn't for his arrogance and pride he would have been the next Batman. Even Bruce said Jason was the most gifted kid he'd ever seen.

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Tim Drake wins.

He's far smarter and has trained far harder than Jason ever did.  Jason will never be Batman because Jason is a lousy character and he's too insane.  He was purposely written as a lousy character and you have bad taste for liking him.
  
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That's like the best nutshot sound effect ever.
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#26 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (6649 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom: I never said I liked him I just said he's better than Tim. I agree with most of the things you say on threads but since you're mocking on my tastes then give it a go. My Five Favs are 1) Doctor Doom, 2) Iron man, 3) Flash (Wally), 4) Zoom (Hunter), and 5) Parallax (Hal not the emo entity crap)...  Only part of Jason I liked was the "Red Hood" movie. If thats bad taste then I'm guilty kid.
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#27 Posted by Zoom (14751 posts) - - Show Bio

If you aren't a Jason Todd fanboy, don't post out of context images implying that he can beat Grayson and Drake at the same time.

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#28 Edited by velle37 (6117 posts) - - Show Bio

@Zoom

 

What about Jason stomping Tim in Teen Titans 29, and in Battle for the Cowl?.....

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#29 Posted by Zoom (14751 posts) - - Show Bio
@velle37 said:
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@Zoom

 

What about Jason stomping Tim in Teen Titans 29, and in Battle for the Cowl?.....

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WIS.

Tim's feats are far better and even Spoiler had more intense training as Robin than Jason did.
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#30 Posted by velle37 (6117 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
" @velle37 said:
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@Zoom

 

What about Jason stomping Tim in Teen Titans 29, and in Battle for the Cowl?.....

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WIS.

Tim's feats are far better and even Spoiler had more intense training as Robin than Jason did.
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These were my opinions previously as well......

 

But Jason has been retconned to have been training since not very long after his death and ressurection by the LoA, and several of Bruce's former masters, along with some new people, to account for his sudden MA prowess, and tactical ability.....

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#31 Posted by cascadeking09 (6807 posts) - - Show Bio
@Out_of_Space said:
" I'm not sure who will win but i will say Jason Todd. "
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#32 Posted by cascadeking09 (6807 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom said:
" @velle37 said:
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@Zoom

 

What about Jason stomping Tim in Teen Titans 29, and in Battle for the Cowl?.....

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WIS.

Tim's feats are far better and even Spoiler had more intense training as Robin than Jason did.
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What about in Red Hood: The Lost Days. When he's fightining members of the League of Assasins while brain dead or when he beat Tim in battle for the cowl? But I do remember that he had some amount of prep in that issue and beat him because he's willing to go farther. And has he improved since becoming Red Hood?
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#33 Posted by Morpheus_ (30444 posts) - - Show Bio
I wouldn't call the Battle for the Cowl fight a stomp. Jason won, but Tim didn't get wrecked, either, at least not until Jason really used the terrain in his favour, which was his home turf.
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#34 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (6649 posts) - - Show Bio
@Zoom:  ha alright
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#35 Posted by velle37 (6117 posts) - - Show Bio
@cascadeking09 said:
" @Zoom said:
" @velle37 said:
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@Zoom

 

What about Jason stomping Tim in Teen Titans 29, and in Battle for the Cowl?.....

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WIS.

Tim's feats are far better and even Spoiler had more intense training as Robin than Jason did.
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What about in Red Hood: The Lost Days. When he's fightining members of the League of Assasins while brain dead or when he beat Tim in battle for the cowl? But I do remember that he had some amount of prep in that issue and beat him because he's willing to go farther. And has he improved since becoming Red Hood? "


The only "prep" in BFTC was a bomb Tim accidentally set off, which didn't seem to have much of an affect on Tim, along with (if you can call it this) home field advantage of fighting in his own cave...

 

Tim even hit Jason with a crowbar in that fight, and Jason still nearly killed Tim.........

 

In Teen Titans there was no home field advnatage and Tim still fought dirty (threw sand in Jason's eyes) and Jason still beat him (then complimented Tim's skills, and ripped the R off of Tim's chest)......

 

In earlier times I was upset that Jason somehow had gotten so good and was able to beat Tim (but this was later explained in his mini series supposedly)...

 

Jason even has a few good showings against Nightwing which are PIS/WIS as well......

 

But comics in general portray Jason as > to Tim.......

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#36 Posted by Morpheus_ (30444 posts) - - Show Bio

 @velle37 said:

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But comics in general portray Jason as > to Tim.......

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I agree to this.
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#37 Posted by velle37 (6117 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
@velle37 said:
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But comics in general portray Jason as > to Tim.......

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I agree to this. "

Nice Drakon avy...
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#38 Posted by Morpheus_ (30444 posts) - - Show Bio
@velle37:Thanks. I'd want to see the character return.
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#39 Posted by velle37 (6117 posts) - - Show Bio
@Morpheus_ said:
" @velle37:Thanks. I'd want to see the character return. "

I wouldn't mind it either......
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#40 Posted by cascadeking09 (6807 posts) - - Show Bio
@velle37 said:

" @cascadeking09 said:

" What about in Red Hood: The Lost Days. When he's fightining members of the League of Assasins while brain dead or when he beat Tim in battle for the cowl? But I do remember that he had some amount of prep in that issue and beat him because he's willing to go farther. And has he improved since becoming Red Hood? "


The only "prep" in BFTC was a bomb Tim accidentally set off, which didn't seem to have much of an affect on Tim, along with (if you can call it this) home field advantage of fighting in his own cave...

Yeah, that and he knew that Tim would follow him there.

Tim even hit Jason with a crowbar in that fight, and Jason still nearly killed Tim.........

 That's because he was willing to go far enough to stab him through the chest, Tim nearly died and the only thing that saved him was the suit.

In Teen Titans there was no home field advnatage and Tim still fought dirty (threw sand in Jason's eyes) and Jason still beat him (then complimented Tim's skills, and ripped the R off of Tim's chest)......

 You have it mixed up, that was Jason that threw dirt in Tim's eyes. Tim was pretty clean in that fight.

In earlier times I was upset that Jason somehow had gotten so good and was able to beat Tim (but this was later explained in his mini series supposedly)...

Me too, but now I don't really care.

 But comics in general portray Jason as > to Tim.......

This I agree with.
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#41 Posted by velle37 (6117 posts) - - Show Bio
@cascadeking09 said:
" @velle37 said:

" @cascadeking09 said:

" What about in Red Hood: The Lost Days. When he's fightining members of the League of Assasins while brain dead or when he beat Tim in battle for the cowl? But I do remember that he had some amount of prep in that issue and beat him because he's willing to go farther. And has he improved since becoming Red Hood? "


The only "prep" in BFTC was a bomb Tim accidentally set off, which didn't seem to have much of an affect on Tim, along with (if you can call it this) home field advantage of fighting in his own cave...

Yeah, that and he knew that Tim would follow him there.

Tim even hit Jason with a crowbar in that fight, and Jason still nearly killed Tim.........

 That's because he was willing to go far enough to stab him through the chest, Tim nearly died and the only thing that saved him was the suit.

In Teen Titans there was no home field advnatage and Tim still fought dirty (threw sand in Jason's eyes) and Jason still beat him (then complimented Tim's skills, and ripped the R off of Tim's chest)......

 You have it mixed up, that was Jason that threw dirt in Tim's eyes. Tim was pretty clean in that fight.

In earlier times I was upset that Jason somehow had gotten so good and was able to beat Tim (but this was later explained in his mini series supposedly)...

Me too, but now I don't really care.

 But comics in general portray Jason as > to Tim.......

This I agree with. "


You're right that was Jason who threw the sand...

 


 

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#42 Posted by TheRedRobin (227 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason TOdd
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#43 Posted by darktiger (4861 posts) - - Show Bio

Tim drake wins

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#44 Posted by Immortal777 (9602 posts) - - Show Bio

Dick>Jason>Tim>and the child

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#45 Edited by darktiger (4861 posts) - - Show Bio

Tim drake beats him

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#46 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (21616 posts) - - Show Bio

@darktiger said:

Tim drake beats him

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#47 Posted by Death Certificate (5720 posts) - - Show Bio

Dick> Jason > Tim > Damian

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#48 Posted by jeanroygrant (20442 posts) - - Show Bio

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jason wins
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#49 Posted by Squalleon (9898 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason wins!

The power levels of the bat family goes with introduction order :-P

Bruce>Dick>Jason>Tim>Damian

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#50 Posted by SUNMAN (7695 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason wins, he is more consistant and has a winning record over Tim, not to mention more lethal weaponry.

The order has always gone

Bruce>Dick>Jason>Tim/Damian