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Rules
- Random encounter
- In character
- Thor does not have mjolnir (he can still use lightning)
- Speed is equalized
- Battle takes place on indestructible planet
- Pre-52 Superman
- Random encounter
- In character
- Thor does not have mjolnir (he can still use lightning)
- Speed is equalized
- Battle takes place on indestructible planet
- Pre-52 Superman
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Hmm... Thor still had crazy striking power without Mjolnir as Young Thor and his lightning is still powerful so he can take this 6-7/10 I think.
New 52 Superman will get hit by Lightning and will be one shotted since it hurt people who can survive planet busting blows and even New 52 Superman is vulnerable to magic. However Post Crisis wins.
Hmm... Thor still had crazy striking power without Mjolnir as Young Thor and his lightning is still powerful so he can take this 6-7/10 I think.
I'm just interested, what striking feats for Thor you are talking about?
I think this would be a decent fight, but I think Clark has better offensive output when he puts his mind to it then Thor does with fists. He also has advantages as far as flight are concerned. I'd back Clark to take a majority assuming he doesn't get zapped too much by the lightning.
@sophia89: They have both peak human speed, but all their other stats remain the same.
@krleavenger: The one where he hit Gorr with Jarnbjorn.
@sophia89: AH, I see. Still should have the durability to take a few hits, and enough striking strength to put Thor down. But the question is is this Unworthy Thor? That guy was like mid-tier.
This misconception really needs to stop, Thor without mjolnir is exactly the same only with slightly less striking power, he isn´t any different other than that.
@krleavenger: The one where he hit Gorr with Jarnbjorn.
Yeah good feat unless you mean when he created a black hole. Since it was Gorr who did that and Thor just sent him back. But yeah he still has some good striking power feats without Mjolnir.
Give it to Thor, I think Supes is missing out on more with equalised speed than Thor is with losing Mjolnir.
Give it to Thor, I think Supes is missing out on more with equalised speed than Thor is with losing Mjolnir.
I'm leaning towards Thor in Round 2 and leaning towards Supes in Round 1 with great difficulty.
Though Supes has better striking capabilities when Thor doesn't have Mjolnir, I see Thor's lightning playing a huge role especially given the power it packs (as demonstrated by his battle with Hercules and young unworthy Thor vs. Gorr). With the rules dictating they both have peak human speed, evading the spontaneous bolts of lightning will be harder said than done. Pre-52 Supes will put up a great fight and take a slight majority due to his simultaneous implementation of his h2h skills and power-set after his lesson from Mongul. Thor would be able to take a good deal of the punishment Pre-52 Supes will dish out but I see him still getting put down before he can put Supes down in Round 1. The advantage Thor holds with his lightning will give him the win in Round 2 because New-52 Supes doesn't have the skill leverage nor the smart utilization of his powers that his Pre-52 counterpart has.
@sophia89: Thanks
great thread.
R1 probably Clark. Never seen Thor do mass damage with punches plus Thor is more likely to hold back in character than Clark. Clark also is more skilled IMO.
2. Thor easily. Clark would have difficulty hurting him.
I'm inclined to stalemate round 1. Though superman can probably hit harder, Thor can take more damage and has the lightning summoning. So 5/5 for me. Round 2 on the other hand is an easy win for Thor
Superman is stronger than thor
punches harder than thor
freezes thor and proceed to punch his teeth out.
Supes durability withstand multiple blackholes so there's nothing thor's lightning can do to him that superman wouldnt give back x2.
superman already beat captain marvel who uses raw magical lighting, thor's is no different and i would back captain marvel in a fight against thor without hammer.
Besides superman already beat thor even while with hammer and didnt even need to speedblitz him. So having thor without hammer is a near stomp in superman's favour
oh and superman is a much better fighter with his fist than thor could ever be.
Both Supes 10/10
I like how some are acting like superman is the flash and only speedblitz strong opponents to win when majority of the time he dsnt, he beats his vilians blow for blow. He's frikking SUPERMAN.
Saying a hammerless thor would beat him even with speed equalized( which is not even needed here) is frikking STUPID
N52 Superman has better lifting feats, but come on, better fighting skills?!?! No way is Superman more skilled at fighting. Thor has Tons of experience.
Thor has big chances to win.
And seeing that speed is equalized the chances rise and rise.
Magic Lightning from Thor should KO or Kill Supermen, as they are durable against magic just as any regular human. Now simple question what would happen if Thor's lightning hit regular human? Total death is the correct answer, Now insert Superman instead that regular human, same results.
@jagernutt
superman has been shown to be a tactical and way better fighter than thor with his hammer, talkess of a hammerless thor
thor fights like a brawler, superman has been shown to even hit pressure points to disable opponents, he has shown way more skill than thor ever has.
And this fight is thor without his hammer who is even less skilled than thor with his hammer who is still not as good as superman with his fist.
Thor '' i say thee nay'' charges in like an idiot, only to get punched through buildings... Supes is way smarter especially after batman/wonderwoman training.
Thor has big chances to win.
And seeing that speed is equalized he chances rise and rise.
Magic Lightning from Thor should KO or Kill Supermen, as they are durable against magic just as any regular human. Now simple question what would happen if Thor's lightning hit regular human? Total death is the correct answer, Now insert Superman instead that regular human, same results.
Pre 52 Superman is more durable against magic than Wonder Woman, how exactly is he as durable as a regular person?
Thor has big chances to win.
And seeing that speed is equalized he chances rise and rise.
Magic Lightning from Thor should KO or Kill Supermen, as they are durable against magic just as any regular human. Now simple question what would happen if Thor's lightning hit regular human? Total death is the correct answer, Now insert Superman instead that regular human, same results.
Pre 52 Superman is more durable against magic than Wonder Woman, how exactly is he as durable as a regular person?
Sorry to dissapoint you, but no Superman doesn't have magic durability, even his handbook entry clearly states, that against magic he is vulnerable just like any other regular person.
@Crafter
stop posting stupid misinformed bullshit
superman has taken magical attacks from captain marvel and he didnt die like a normal human would. Superman isnt exactly weak to magic, he is just not invulnerable to it as he is to other non magical attacks.
By your logic anyone with magic would beat superman, and you and i know that is not true. Superman's only true weakness is kryptonite and even then, he has beaten metallo who has a kryptonite heart several times.
Magic just means superman would feel the pain just like martian manhunter would feel a magical attack. Which otherwise superman's durability would brush easily. This was explained years ago.
That is why superman has fought and beaten magical beings even when they blast him with magic. That dsnt mean superman is human level durabilty against magic unless he wouldnt have won against magic users at all.
And superman already beat thor and tanked his attacks so...
stop posting stupid misinformed bullshit
There is no bulshit.
superman has taken magical attacks from captain marvel and he didnt die like a normal human would. Superman isnt exactly weak to magic, he is just not invulnerable to it as he is to other non magical attacks.
Context please.
In CANON comics Supes tanked Cap's lightning because he was possessed amped by Eclipso, the previous Spirit of Vengeance(the predecesor of Spectre). He was even tanking WIzard Shazam's attack, who is skyfather level being, which regular Supes no way would have tanked.
By your logic anyone with magic would beat superman, and you and i know that is not true.
Actually it is true. Writers simply don't want their flagship character die in stupid way, plain and simple. He simply has a form of plot armor stopping his death from magic. Take away plot armor and he is deadman.
Superman's only true weakness is kryptonite and even then, he has beaten metallo who has a kryptonite heart several times.
According to handbook, he is as durable against magic as humans, there is no need to argue agaist this.
Magic just means superman would feel the pain just like martian manhunter would feel a magical attack. Which otherwise superman's durability would brush easily. This was explained years ago.
Wrong information. His durability against magic is the same of that of humans, what would happen if human got hit by magic lightning of Thor? Death. Magic bypassess Supes' invulnerability.
That is why superman has fought and beaten magical beings even when they blast him with magic. That dsnt mean superman is human level durabilty against magic unless he wouldnt have won against magic users at all.
Plot armor so that he wouldn't die against magic, plain and simple. He has human level magic durability, he handbook entry clearly states that. Also it is stupid argument to say that he won against magic people, so he doesn't have that weakness, he does it, it is stated both in comics and handbooks.
And superman already beat thor and tanked his attacks so...
If you mean crossovers they are non-canon.
@thor_parker82:don't have a clue about thor's striking capabilities without the hammer
@gamingod: You stop trolling and keep your bias to yourself!
:don't have a clue about thor's striking capabilities without the hammer
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