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#1 Posted by TifaLockhart (17818 posts) - - Show Bio

No Mjolnir. None of that "lightning is an extension of my arms" excuse. No Spazfrag666 or weapons for Lobo. That includes his hidden ones. No secret of the exploding numbers either.

The battle takes place in the Hades Paradox Tournament. Pre-Flashpoint. PIS is not a valid excuse, nor is "jobbing." Since Lobo is immortal, if Thor can KO him, Thor may count that as a victory.

Who would win based on how the characters actually are depicted in the comics and more importantly can you back up your argument?

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#2 Posted by Jayfournines (4160 posts) - - Show Bio

I would definitely give it to Lobo (pre new52...right?), he's a more capable warrior (even if people believe he's dumb....he's not) and better at improvising than Thor who usually just wails at people like a cracked out shemale on Jerry Springer.

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#3 Posted by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3296 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor.

IIRC Thor can fly, use lightning, and summon some kind of Godblast W/O his hammer.

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#4 Posted by SoA (6234 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Lunact_And_Manic: scans?

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: LOBO crushes thor without his plot device

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#5 Edited by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3296 posts) - - Show Bio

@SoA: Here:

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I still need to find him using lightning without the hammer.

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#6 Posted by Jayfournines (4160 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

Thor.

IIRC Thor can fly, use lightning, and summon some kind of Godblast W/O his hammer.

I don't think Thor can fly without his hammer and summon all that

...could he ?

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#7 Posted by TifaLockhart (17818 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor can use lightning sans Mjolnir. Of course, it totally violates the OP and the name of the thread.

He's projected the Godblast from his chest before too.

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#8 Posted by ReVamp (23015 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

Thor can use lightning sans Mjolnir. Of course, it totally violates the OP and the name of the thread.

He's projected the Godblast from his chest before too.

I think you should just make it more explicit in OP and write "Thor can't use any Weather Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Flight or any powers other than his physical ones for the purpose of this fight".

Clearly the point isn't to prove whether he can or can't do ______ without the Mijlonir, its to see if he can go H2H against Lobo and win.

Wouldn't know.

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#9 Posted by TifaLockhart (17818 posts) - - Show Bio

@ReVamp said:

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

Thor can use lightning sans Mjolnir. Of course, it totally violates the OP and the name of the thread.

He's projected the Godblast from his chest before too.

I think you should just make it more explicit in OP and write "Thor can't use any Weather Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Flight or any powers other than his physical ones for the purpose of this fight".

Clearly the point isn't to prove whether he can or can't do ______ without the Mijlonir, its to see if he can go H2H against Lobo and win.

Wouldn't know.

I'm a DC, so I don't need everything spelled out like that. I realize some people do, but to not recognize that this is hand to hand and to completely miss the second sentence of the OP makes it their fault, IMO.

Also, since it only violates the spirit of the setup and not the letter, I guess I have to allow the Godblast.

Flight is fine. What advantage would that give him?

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#10 Posted by ReVamp (23015 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@ReVamp said:

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

Thor can use lightning sans Mjolnir. Of course, it totally violates the OP and the name of the thread.

He's projected the Godblast from his chest before too.

I think you should just make it more explicit in OP and write "Thor can't use any Weather Manipulation, Energy Manipulation, Flight or any powers other than his physical ones for the purpose of this fight".

Clearly the point isn't to prove whether he can or can't do ______ without the Mijlonir, its to see if he can go H2H against Lobo and win.

Wouldn't know.

I'm a DC, so I don't need everything spelled out like that. I realize some people do, but to not recognize that this is hand to hand and to completely miss the second sentence of the OP makes it their fault, IMO.

Also, since it only violates the spirit of the setup and not the letter, I guess I have to allow the Godblast.

Flight is fine. What advantage would that give him?

  • The manner you wrote it makes it seem like you're dismissing the feats in which he may or may not be able to manipulate it, instead of you simply saying its not usable in the fight.
  • You can do whatever you want, its your fight, I was just giving you generic advice.
  • Same as above.
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#11 Posted by BigCimmerian (10306 posts) - - Show Bio

Lobo is on Superman's level so there is nothing Thor couldn't handle, main problem is healing factor.

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#12 Posted by Malevolent1 (1100 posts) - - Show Bio

Actually, this is a really even match (provided we are talking the Lobo who has gone toe to toe with Superman). As mentioned, Thor has a few more powers at his disposal, even without Mjolnir. But enough to put down Lobo who is essentially immortal? Who knows. Based on the OP's original parameters, I call this a draw.

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#13 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12456 posts) - - Show Bio

Without Mjolnir, Lobo would win.

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#14 Posted by IZZR (4889 posts) - - Show Bio

Current Lobo would lose, Deathstroke handled a beating from him, I hate new52 theyve destroyed way too many characters.

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#15 Posted by ckal (1116 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor is in no way helpless without Mjolnir. He is capable of many of the things he can do while holding Mjolnir as he can without Mjolnir. Things like energy projection he rarely uses anyways, so I can't say he is at that much of a disadvantage. Thor gets ruined by writers who make him seem worthless and helpless without Mjolnir, which couldn't be further from the truth.

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#16 Posted by Killemall (18928 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines said:

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

Thor.

IIRC Thor can fly, use lightning, and summon some kind of Godblast W/O his hammer.

I don't think Thor can fly without his hammer and summon all that

...could he ?

Nope he cannot, here's an instance from The Mighty Thor 192 where because of the crowd he couldnt swing his hammer to fly away, so he pushed the building, makes rooms, swings his hammer and fly away.

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Not to mention he has never actually flown without his hammer.

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#17 Posted by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3296 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall: What about the scan I posted?

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#18 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (21617 posts) - - Show Bio

Lobo would win this. He is already on par with Thor (without MJOLNIR) and with his healing factor, he would eventually tire out Thor.

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#19 Posted by Eternal19 (2178 posts) - - Show Bio

lobo

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#20 Edited by Killemall (18928 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

@Killemall: What about the scan I posted?

What about it?

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

@SoA: Here:

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I still need to find him using lightning without the hammer.

The first one isnt flight, its him using his hand bring down lightning to kill Duroc the Demolisher which took place in The Mighty Thor 584. The other scan is from Contest of Champions where he fought and easily beat storm, that being said he never flew in either encounters and what i am however saying is he cannot fly without his hammer, no argument on him calling upon lighting, he's done that about 5 times that i can recall, probably more (didnt bother saving all the instances).

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#21 Posted by SoA (6234 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall: thanks for insight.

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#22 Posted by Killemall (18928 posts) - - Show Bio

@SoA said:

@Killemall: thanks for insight.

You are most welcome. I am a big Thor fan, and consider myself extremely well versed with Thor, so if there is any other queries you have or might have about thor feel free to ask :)

You you like a character so much, you love talking about the character, its just human nature, you cant help it :p

So in fact, thank you for asking =D

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#23 Posted by heymanjack (829 posts) - - Show Bio

Why are we talkin about thor projecting lightning if this is a h2h fight?

Lobo wins this one.

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#24 Posted by TifaLockhart (17818 posts) - - Show Bio

@heymanjack: Thor is full of excuses. He holds back all the time, despite what captions say. He didn't cheat when he brought the lightning against Hercules when he was losing.

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#25 Posted by The_Lunact_And_Manic (3296 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall:I was talking about the second one, looks like he's flying. (At least to me, lol)

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#26 Posted by Killemall (18928 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Lunact_And_Manic said:

@Killemall:I was talking about the second one, looks like he's flying. (At least to me, lol)

He wasnt flying he was calling forth the win, and later beats storm by kissing her and taking the air out of her lungs.

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#27 Posted by XiiX (13584 posts) - - Show Bio

Lobo.