The worst debate I've ever seen for Punisher beating Batman.

I'm an aspiring animator and I came across this well done fan animation:

I was extremely happy with this work, until I came across the comments. Then disappointment set in, people actually believe Punisher can beat Batman.

Lets start with this post writen by "slade9088":

"Okay lets get this straight so everyone would understand that Batman will lose against the Punisher."

No he wouldn't.

"Why? How?"

Yeah.

"I must be out of my mind you say?"

Yes.

"Well no I'm not,"

Debatable.

"the punisher win this fight because not only does the Punisher have years of training and fighting,'

So does Batman...

"but he's much better at not being detected than batman,"

-_-

"and not only is his tactics better,"

They're not. Batman has manage to out smart people such as Lex Luther, who has a 12 level intelect, so Punisher doesn't hold a candle to Batman's inelegance.

"but his speed, and strength are better."

Not at all. Batman can lift nearly as much as Captain America, and has lifted 6 tons above his head for hours. His bench max clocks him in as the 4th strongest HUMAN street level character in existence that I know of.

"Yes batman is smart, and have handy dandy tools, but the punisher can withstand pain,"

So can Batman. Batman has been stabbed, shot, and punched by ultra powerful beings and still fought everyone.

One of my favorite scenes in comics was when he was shot hundreds of times, even taking a bullet to his face, yet he still took out an army of goons.

"oh i forgot to mention that he almost killed Black Widow, who is one of the most skilled fighters ever."

Let's pretend she is, Batman is still far more skilled. He was able to combat Lady Shiva and win with one hit, fight for 28 hours straight, and kicked Wonder Woman in her belly so hard she fell on the floor like a legless child. Punishers fighting doesn't measure up.

"Batman is a master of many martial arts you say?"

"While that is true, the punisher had military martial arts, mostly Marine Corps Martial Arts which is the break down of not only MMA which is many martial art forms put into one style of boxing, but also street fighting. That's right Frank is also a Master Martial Artist, and a expert in knife fighting."

That doesn't mean anything when Batman takes down hordes of soldiers with the same training as him.

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You can thank "Raymond Johnson" for this next "wonderful" piece of "literature"

"Punisher would kill batman hand to hand fight and even with his guns"

I highly doubt that:

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"because the punisher dose not need any help batman dose he might call nightwing are batgirl to come help him out"

So because Batman has sidekicks he looses?

"and anotthing the punisher is more crazy he has nobody his family is dead"

Well that doesn't help anyone when fighting really, but either way Batman's family is dead also. That's kind of why he's Batman.

"and he can take on someone with out help he never once needed a side but batman needed to"

Batman can fight just fine without a sidekick.

"and another thing is punisher kills batman dose not batman puts badguys jail but the dont give a [poop] he would kill them"

So?

"thats why i say punisher wins all the way"

Those are terrible reasons and you should be ashamed of yourself.

"Uranium koala" said:

"Really a man who was liked by a ordinary gangster"

Batman beats the crud out of fodder all the time.

"would demolished by the man who killed hulk"

Batman has beat beings more powerful than Punisher can handle:

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" read the man who killed bat man then read punisher kills the marvel universe P.S to save you time punisher kills hulk by shooting a arow into this eye"

Non canon, as "supermickloving" points out:

"hahaha. You do realize both are non canon right? If you think some angsty military vet can kill the marvel universe then your're delusional. Try harder."

A fair point.

This comment, by Shane Stevens, got me really excited

"non-canon means jack [poop] in comics. The 'what-ifs' and such are considered by marvel 'alternate reality possibilities' and therefore it is indeed possible for those events to occur had events proceeded the way they do in those comics, ie, when Hulk goes berserk and kills most of the Fantastic Four and Ironman because Ross tortures Rick Jones to death. So yes, what-if comics are relevant even though they didn't happen in the prime universe, and when it establishes that the Punisher is 'capable' of something then he clearly is."

I've mostly made this so I can respond to this point. If "non canon" doesn't mean anything, then surly Batman wins because:

So what have we learned here today? Batman Always wins and don't go onto Youtube comment sections.

Oh, good old youtube comment section.

youtube is literally the worst on the internet for vs debates. Its full moronic a*holes that are filled 120% fanboyism and whenever you make a good point all they say is "man ur such a stupid fanboy" a.k.a *supremekai24*. never mind the death battle comment section *shudders*.

Batman would beat the Punisher and those were some of the worst reasons I've ever heard, but you had pretty bad reasons, as well as misused scans.

How about this:

Marvel and DC did this. In the comic they both approved, Frank was able to run even with Valley with his Bat-Armor.

Bruce didn't have any problem putting him on his butt.

Well, although it's very unlikely that Frank manages to put a bullet in Batman's skull, it's not a completely impossible thing.

Batman it's just a man after all

I commented for plastic man

Batman wins hand to hand. If punisher has hia weapons it's over for bats

You simply can't reason with people on youtube.

Try telling people on Youtube that Dr. Manhattan isn't omnipotent.....

Exactly. But here is the greatest problem I have. So let's say Batman can outsmart lex luthor. There have been multiple times Bruce has been embarassed duped and or tricked by losers like Penguin and two face. So everybody who keeps saying well batman took a hit from somebody with superhuman strength doesn't impress me. I just think back to the times when the joker can hold batman in a fist fight.

@amazing_spiderman: idk about that bats is a bullet timer

Depends on the staring distance, area etc IMO.

Batman will easily beat Punisher because he is Batman

Batman cannot lift 6 tons.

And too many out of context/random/off of Google images or respect thread scans being used to portray Batman on some sort of a vastly grander scale than he actually is.

Not that I think Punisher would beat Batman or that Batman would beat Punisher, but this could've been established more properly.

Stay away from YouTube debates.

It just username showing his Batman fanboyism as like he did in Karate Kid gauntlet or anime character that can beat Spider-Man threads.

@huthimamwa: you can't defeat dr. Manhattan unless you can manipulate tachyon particles.

@perethorn: batman isn't any ordinary man, that's kind of why he's one of the most dangerous man in comics.

Also I freakin hate the YouTube debates, it makes me want to commit suicide because of how people communicate and why their knowledge of comic characters in general is so small. F#%*ing Facebook does a better job than them.

And batman takes punisher

Take off the PIS feats in your post and then it'd be a bit more fair for Punisher. I still think Bruce wins regardless but some of your reasoning is...welp its wrong.

So the OP made a masked whine thread about the people of other internet community and placed it to Battle forum of all the places... Go OP.

In my opinion both Frank & Bats have a chance of killing/beating their each other if we look at skills and feats, though I'd lean more on Batman eventually winning due to his extensive resources while Punisher basically lives off from his van and 'loot' from the goons he kills.

What's the point in arguing for Punisher beating Batman? Batman is superior in every aspect.

The OP is 100000 times too long.

Why did you waste your time responding to a YouTube comment?

His argument was terrible. But yours wasn't exactly spectacular either. And Batman is the 4th strongest street leveler you know of? You must not know very many street levelers then.

Best to avoid debating on YouTube no matter how logical, or fair you may sound, they'll still stick to their opinion regardless.

@stormdriven: In your humble opinion who is the best street leveler?

@heatblaze123: Best? Spider-Man (partly because he's my favorite, partly because he's the most well rounded). But he isn't the strongest.

I literally don't even click on YouTube Comments when it's Marvel or DC. Don't even look at them, too many misinformed people.

As if your argument was any better. Please have a seat.

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@sentry4 said:

Perfect.....

4th strongest street leveller my ass. Spiderman, Killer Croc, Bane, Captain America (it's not as though it's by a good margin or something), Wolverine (I believe), Luke Cage, etc. Are stronger than Batman.

A question I'd like to ask you is, where did you get the deluded nonsense of Batman being a six-tonner?

@captain_batman_ftw: He's been saying this sort of stuff for a while now.

hulk > flash on YT

flash > hulk on CV

you do the math

Can you show me where Hulk > Flash on YT? Apart from Youtube having way more comments and ignorant people flinging stuff left and right i haven't seen a single video where Hulk > Flash.

Kinda sexy

I was talking about humans, perhaps I should have made that clear. Bane can bench 1,500, Captain America has been shown to bench 1,100, he could probably bench more but he hasn't to my knowledge, and Batman One Million, when he's not in his super awesome suit, can bench 1,070. Batman can lift 1,000. So he's the fourth strongest HUMAN street level character.

Great spelling.

Flagged for swearing.

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3 tons + 3 tons= 6 tons.

And what are you going to do about it? Cry until I die from old age?

@sentry4 said:

I just needed to because the stupidity was hurting me on the inside.

I edited it to human street level.

Well you must want to be friends with me. You follow me around everywhere.

Anyways, why does Punisher beat the Batman, in your opinion?

Whenever Username makes a thread it just gets so interesting.

What ever gets me noticed...

I'm just too riske.