The Wolverine vs Daken Debate

I did a search prior to this and found that there was actually a lack of topics created about this. Most included X-23 in a triple-threat match. So, after much thought, I decided to compile this.
 

Setting/Rules

• No muramasa blades/Daken doesn't have his claws merged with muramasa metal
• No ambushes/traps
• They begin on a rooftop in Hell's Kitchen, and it's raining (similar to when Daken fought Punisher)
• Both are prepared for the fight, but they don't bring any side weapons
• I would say to the death, but, it's kind of hard with their factors. I suppose its whoever takes more than twenty-seconds to get up off the ground.

Comparing Their Traits

• Adamantium skeleton
• More experienced fighter
• Arguably stronger than Daken

• More agile due to lack of adamantium
• Healing factor is faster due to lack of adamantium
• More psychotic

I would think(or at least hope) that if Wolverine would stop crying about his son, who clearly doesn't care about him and is often the one trying to kill him, and stop helping him whenever he feels he's in trouble, Daken would be dead by now.

Wolverine wins with morals off.

@Blood_guts: wolverine's body sees the adamantium as a foreign substance so it slows down his healing since the adamantium is poisonus and its focusing on preventing him from getting poisoned . when he had just bone claws it was said he healed alot faster than with adamantium

@Blood_guts: wolverine's body sees the adamantium as a foreign substance so it slows down his healing since the adamantium is poisonus and its focusing on preventing him from getting poisoned . when he had just bone claws it was said he healed alot faster than with adamantium

@Blood_guts: no , not really lol. if there is any depictions showing otherwise it may have to be whoever is writing for wolverine . deadpool is essentially immortal and can grow back a head . ive never known wolverine to do that . near decapitations , disembowelment always kept wolverine down for a time . also in what-if or alternate world stories if wolverine lost his healing factor his skin boiled up or sores started appearing proof of the metal poisoning , wolverine can heal fast but when its heavy damage like what i mentioned above he takes his time to heal . bone claw version i think his only drawback was bones didnt heal as fast so if he broke any bones it would be awhile. if anyone can prove otherwise by all means speak up lol

Wolverine is always better than Daken. 125 estimated years life of fighting and killing experience vs how ever old is Daken and whenever he started train and killing. 

With morals off Wolverine definitely wins.  He has waaaaaayyyyyyyyy more training than Daken, and a wealth of battle experience.  The only reason Logan hasn't already killed him is because it's his kid.

@RainEffect: you said that his healing factor is worse with adamantium? it was my understanding that it was in fact better because his body was constantly rejecting it and so is forced to be at a consistant level and a high one at that in terms of healing speed.

Wolverine him self said Daken was better than him. Daken is also 10x more interesting character than Wolverine  

@spiderbat87 said:

Wolverine him self said Daken was better than him. Daken is also 10x more interesting character than Wolverine

hahahaha i agree even thou daken currently being a drug addict ruins him but pheromones will also wreck wolverine .

@spiderbat87 said:

Wolverine him self said Daken was better than him. Daken is also 10x more interesting character than Wolverine

-.-. I am not amused. :P

@spiderbat87 said:

Wolverine him self said Daken was better than him. Daken is also 10x more interesting character than Wolverine

-.-. I am not amused. :P

@spiderbat87 said:

@ReVamp said:

@spiderbat87 said:

Wolverine him self said Daken was better than him. Daken is also 10x more interesting character than Wolverine

-.-. I am not amused. :P

Alas it is true

Not truly.

@spiderbat87 said:

@ReVamp said:

@spiderbat87 said:

Wolverine him self said Daken was better than him. Daken is also 10x more interesting character than Wolverine

-.-. I am not amused. :P

Alas it is true

Not truly.

Logan has the experience, Daken has the pheromones. That's what it comes down to, imo. You'd think Wolverine would be immune to the pheromones, since he spends his life knee deep in them, but.....I don't know.

Oh c'on. Wolverine has his share of experience sniffing and tasting the pheromones of other enemies before. Omega Red being the most distinct of the kind. 

@spiderbat87 said:

@ReVamp said:

@spiderbat87 said:

@ReVamp said:

@spiderbat87 said:

Wolverine him self said Daken was better than him. Daken is also 10x more interesting character than Wolverine

-.-. I am not amused. :P

Alas it is true

Not truly.

I'm afraid it is

I'm afraid it subjective. :P

Logan has the experience, Daken has the pheromones. That's what it comes down to, imo. You'd think Wolverine would be immune to the pheromones, since he spends his life knee deep in them, but.....I don't know.

@CitizenBane said:

Logan has the experience, Daken has the pheromones. That's what it comes down to, imo. You'd think Wolverine would be immune to the pheromones, since he spends his life knee deep in them, but.....I don't know.

Logen said that daken was better

Logan has the experience, Daken has the pheromones. That's what it comes down to, imo. You'd think Wolverine would be immune to the pheromones, since he spends his life knee deep in them, but.....I don't know.

Wolverine has more experience over Daken, he's been through a-lot more, he's also had more fighting skill and can take more punishment.

@MagneticTempest said:

Oh c'on. Wolverine has his share of experience sniffing and tasting the pheromones of other enemies before. Omega Red being the most distinct of the kind.

Omega red's & Dakens Pheromones work differently thou omega red's are fatal while Dakens changes peoples perspective & their emotional state so daken using that he can beat wolverine .

Logan can say whatever he wants, there should be a decisive on-panel fight between the two.

Wolverine has more experience over Daken, he's been through a-lot more, he's also had more fighting skill and can take more punishment.

@CitizenBane said:

Logan can say whatever he wants, there should be a decisive on-panel fight between the two.

 Logan "said" it after Daken beat him and sliced his throat as the coup de grace. And it was not a statement, it was a thought. Logan thought to himself, "he's better than me."
 
 
 
As for decisive fights, there have been two. One that Daken won, and another that Wolverine won by using the muramasa blade and receiving additional training from Silver Samurai as preparation for facing Daken.

@Blood_guts said:

@RainEffect: you said that his healing factor is worse with adamantium? it was my understanding that it was in fact better because his body was constantly rejecting it and so is forced to be at a consistant level and a high one at that in terms of healing speed.

It's an interesting theory, but think about it this way.
 
If you have a cold, your immune system devotes its energy (white blood cells) to fight off the sickness, therefore other portions of your body may suffer (dehydration, sore nose from constant blowing, exhaustion due to constant battle). It's the same with Wolverine, his immune system is rapidly fighting off an invasive poison and devoting much of its energy and concentration on the adamantium not killing him. As SoA said, Logan stated his healing factor was much more effective without the metal because it could devote full capabilities into healing. 
 
This is further cemented in the X-23 and Daken issues where they heal almost immediately from pretty lethal things, as they don't have an adamantium skeleton (though Laura has the claws and talons, of course).

wait, does Daken have Bone claws or adamantium laced claws?

@Westlife:

I totoally agree

wolverine slaughters him

wait, does Daken have Bone claws or adamantium laced claws?

I would give the majority to Daken as far as their confrontations have gone, Daken's done some pretty impressive things that have gone under the radar, like punking Cyber and leaving him to die, also punking Deadpool.  He definitely doesn't get as much attention as Wolverine, but if the writers would give Daken more confrontations with more established and mainstream characters, his appeal would significantly increase, i'm sure.

@RainEffect said:

@Blood_guts said:

@RainEffect: you said that his healing factor is worse with adamantium? it was my understanding that it was in fact better because his body was constantly rejecting it and so is forced to be at a consistant level and a high one at that in terms of healing speed.

It's an interesting theory, but think about it this way.
 
If you have a cold, your immune system devotes its energy (white blood cells) to fight off the sickness, therefore other portions of your body may suffer (dehydration, sore nose from constant blowing, exhaustion due to constant battle). It's the same with Wolverine, his immune system is rapidly fighting off an invasive poison and devoting much of its energy and concentration on the adamantium not killing him. As SoA said, Logan stated his healing factor was much more effective without the metal because it could devote full capabilities into healing. 
 
This is further cemented in the X-23 and Daken issues where they heal almost immediately from pretty lethal things, as they don't have an adamantium skeleton (though Laura has the claws and talons, of course).

right right thats how a human system works. however i thought since he was a mutant with his powers related to his healing that they would work differently. keep in mind though its not my theory its my friend so i cant defend it so well. however if x-23 and daken heal faster than him then the only conclusion is the adamantium hinders his healing.

Let's not forget Sabretooth as well.

@Morpheus_: 
Wait, you mean Wolverine actually fought the brat?

I hope X-23 kicks his ass. Daken's ass, not Wolverines. I hope Gambit kicks his.

WHERE THE HELL IS SABRETOOTH! I WANT HIM BACK! And I'm usually against bringing back characters.

Daken wins because of his tattoos. 
 

wolverine is meerly indestrucktable but daken is not

With morals off Wolverine definitely wins.  He has waaaaaayyyyyyyyy more training than Daken, and a wealth of battle experience.  The only reason Logan hasn't already killed him is because it's his kid.

@katanalauncher said:

Wolverine wins with morals off.

Wolverine has more feats and better record of Awsomness.

@CadenceV2 said:

Wolverine has more feats and better record of Awsomness.

@CadenceV2 said:

Wolverine has more feats and better record of Awsomness.

More feats =/= better feats. I want Wolverine to win, as I sincerely hate Daken with a passion, but I'm not convinced he can.

@nickzambuto said:

@CadenceV2 said:

Wolverine has more feats and better record of Awsomness.

More feats =/= better feats. I want Wolverine to win, as I sincerely hate Daken with a passion, but I'm not convinced he can.

Why do you believe Daken wins? I think I lean towards wolverine personally after thinking about it....A little unsure though.

@jashro44 said:

@nickzambuto said:

@CadenceV2 said:

Wolverine has more feats and better record of Awsomness.

More feats =/= better feats. I want Wolverine to win, as I sincerely hate Daken with a passion, but I'm not convinced he can.

Why do you believe Daken wins? I think I lean towards wolverine personally after thinking about it....A little unsure though.

@jashro44 said:

@nickzambuto said:

@CadenceV2 said:

Wolverine has more feats and better record of Awsomness.

More feats =/= better feats. I want Wolverine to win, as I sincerely hate Daken with a passion, but I'm not convinced he can.

Why do you believe Daken wins? I think I lean towards wolverine personally after thinking about it....A little unsure though.

The fact that he's stomped Logan in damn near every encounter they've had. I guess Wolverine holds back because it's his son but... I don't know. That's not really enough for me to believe he can win. Even if Logan isn't fighting to his fullest, he can at the very least make an effort to react to Daken rather than pretty much get blitzed. This leads me to believe that he can't react, that Daken is just better.