The two similar teams from different universes collide.
Rules-
No prep
Current Ultimates Members
The Avengers are current versions of each character
Morals on (except the Ultimate Hulk and Earth-616 Hulk who are almost always blood lusted)
The Ultimates-
Ultimate Hulk
Ultimate Hawkeye
Ultimate Iron Man
Ultimate Spider-Woman
Ultimate Thor
The Avengers-
Earth-616 Hulk
Earth-616 Hawkeye
Earth-616 Iron Man
Earth-616 Spider-Man
Earth-616 Thor
The Ultimates vs. The Avengers
but...arent ALL the ultimates just weaker versions of their 616 counterparts?Indeed,the Avengers win.
Pretty much. Ultimates don't have enough feats, and their greatest feats can't hold a candle compared to the 616 versions.
@SlimJ87D: possibly, i've only really read a few issues of UltimatesThe debate between those two is they have equal strength showings. But in their bios 616 is stated as peak human, but Ultimate is actually rated at 2 to 3 tons. So it's more like feats vs official bios.
People think that 616 has better fighting feats though (obviously because ultimate cap hasn't been around much and doesn't even have his own comic book to show feats).
Heh, that's pretty good capabilities on Reed. I forgot all about that. But like I told another viner, I lost interest in Ultimate-verse a while ago, when Mljinor no longer lived up to it's 616 counter-part, like Hulk lifting or Magneto having more control over it than Thor, etc.
That's true. Ultimate Cap did manage to give it to Ultimate Hulk, but I don't really consider that much of a feat considering Hulk is much weaker compared to his 616 counter-part. But it all depends. But Ultimate Cap and Ultimate Hawkeye are impressive.
@The Stegman: Heh, that's pretty good capabilities on Reed. I forgot all about that. But like I told another viner, I lost interest in Ultimate-verse a while ago, when Mljinor no longer lived up to it's 616 counter-part, like Hulk lifting or Magneto having more control over it than Thor, etc.
There is a mini out for Thor that explains why Mjolnir wasn't up to snuff and other things. Pretty good read. http://www.comicvine.com/ultimate-thor/49-35919/
Oh, I know. But my main thing is that Mljinor is clearly a inferior to the 616 Mljinor.
And... I never did like the goatee looking Thor, he looks weird with just a goatee. He needs a full beard or a clean cut.
Yea, I'm going with the Avengers. The only good fight would be out of Ultimate Cap and mainstream Cap. But maybe Hawkeye vs Ultimate Hawkeye wouldn't be a bad match up either.
As per the thread, 616 should sweep.
Avengers stomp. Only Ultimate version who is superior to their 616 original might be Hawkeye, and even that is debatable.Ultimate Hawkeye is nuts... the finger nail thing is one of my absolute favorite feats. It is revealed that he is enhanced too by SHIELD in ways we do not know besides his eyes. He has way above 20/20 vision.
H2H thought is another department. But shooting, Ultimate Hawkeye has impressed me more.
@SlimJ87D said:
@The Stegman said:@SlimJ87D: possibly, i've only really read a few issues of UltimatesThe debate between those two is they have equal strength showings. But in their bios 616 is stated as peak human, but Ultimate is actually rated at 2 to 3 tons. So it's more like feats vs official bios. People think that 616 has better fighting feats though (obviously because ultimate cap hasn't been around much and doesn't even have his own comic book to show feats).
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616 Hulk>>>>1610 Hulk (HOWEVER....This Hulk is like Doomsday. He adapts and becomes resilient to whatever's attacking him.)
616 Hawkeye<<<<<<<1610 Hawkeye (no debate at all)
616 Iron Man <<<<<< 1610 Iron Man. Tony's nanites could probably shut 616 Tony down. OR, you have little Anthony who'd probably be able to hack 616's armor and being that Anthony is pretty much untraceable, there's nothing 616 could do. That and, if 616 tried hacking Tony, Anthony created a program similar to Steel's except 1610 doesn't need to be receiving a virus to be able to backward hack the hacker. He just has to be getting hacked....HA! hacked.
Spidey>>>>Spider-woman of course.
616 Thor>>>>>>>1610 Thor As time goes on, though, 1610's Thor is having more showings of strength.
616 Hulk>>>>1610 Hulk (HOWEVER....This Hulk is like Doomsday. He adapts and becomes resilient to whatever's attacking him.)
616 Hawkeye<<<<<<<1610 Hawkeye (no debate at all)
616 Iron Man <<<<<< 1610 Iron Man. Tony's nanites could probably shut 616 Tony down. OR, you have little Anthony who'd probably be able to hack 616's armor and being that Anthony is pretty much untraceable, there's nothing 616 could do. That and, if 616 tried hacking Tony, Anthony created a program similar to Steel's except 1610 doesn't need to be receiving a virus to be able to backward hack the hacker. He just has to be getting hacked....HA! hacked.
Spidey>>>>Spider-woman of course.
616 Thor>>>>>>>1610 Thor As time goes on, though, 1610's Thor is having more showings of strength.
Little Anthony was removed from Tony's Brain before he died
1610 Hulk = 616
Ultimate Hulk has the Ability to adapt to anything to survive and get stronger. He has no World Breaker Feats at all, however he has Survived Nukes twice in a calm state and has many good feats that outclass Professor Hulk and Grey Hulk Combine.
1610 HE > 616 HE
No Contest.
1610 IM > 616 IM
Even though 616 Iron Man been around awhile, Ultimate Tony has had less time and way better tech and feats for a younger Tony. He is also a genuine Techno Path. He also has a Nanite Army that can stop any Tech pretty much.
Spider Man > Spider Woman
A 16 Year Old Girl Clone of Ultimate Peter is just no matcj. She is cooler though. Wish they did more with her in Miles books.
616 Thor = 1610 Thor
Sure 616 has better feats in strength and what not. However Ultimate Thor has better powers that Classic Thor lost as Current Thor. Ultimate Thor also has better Speed Reaction Feats, Lightning use, BFR ability, and still beaten some of the heavy hitter list. Ultimate Thor beaten Hyperion and Power Princess together, Ultimates Roster twice, and Ultimate Loki who is a world level Reality Warper of Magic twice. So Thor deserves credit where it is due.
1610 Hulk = 616
Ultimate Hulk has the Ability to adapt to anything to survive and get stronger. He has no World Breaker Feats at all, however he has Survived Nukes twice in a calm state and has many good feats that outclass Professor Hulk and Grey Hulk Combine.
1610 HE > 616 HE
No Contest.
1610 IM > 616 IM
Even though 616 Iron Man been around awhile, Ultimate Tony has had less time and way better tech and feats for a younger Tony. He is also a genuine Techno Path. He also has a Nanite Army that can stop any Tech pretty much.
Spider Man > Spider Woman
A 16 Year Old Girl Clone of Ultimate Peter is just no matcj. She is cooler though. Wish they did more with her in Miles books.
616 Thor = 1610 Thor
Sure 616 has better feats in strength and what not. However Ultimate Thor has better powers that Classic Thor lost as Current Thor. Ultimate Thor also has better Speed Reaction Feats, Lightning use, BFR ability, and still beaten some of the heavy hitter list. Ultimate Thor beaten Hyperion and Power Princess together, Ultimates Roster twice, and Ultimate Loki who is a world level Reality Warper of Magic twice. So Thor deserves credit where it is due.
Ultimate Thor doesn't have powers anymore, so all past feats are inconsequential
The Ultimates-
Ultimate Hulk
Ultimate Hawkeye
Ultimate Iron Man
Ultimate Spider-Woman
Ultimate Thor
The Avengers-
Earth-616 Hulk
Earth-616 Hawkeye
Earth-616 Iron Man
Earth-616 Spider-Man
Earth-616 Thor
That is my opinoin on who is the strongest. So it's 616 Thor, Spider-Man and Hulk vs. Ultimate Iron Man and Hawkeye who I don't think can beat the combination of Hulk, Thor and Spider-Man
616 Hulk>>>>1610 Hulk (HOWEVER....This Hulk is like Doomsday. He adapts and becomes resilient to whatever's attacking him.)
616 Hawkeye<<<<<<<1610 Hawkeye (no debate at all)
616 Iron Man <<<<<< 1610 Iron Man. Tony's nanites could probably shut 616 Tony down. OR, you have little Anthony who'd probably be able to hack 616's armor and being that Anthony is pretty much untraceable, there's nothing 616 could do. That and, if 616 tried hacking Tony, Anthony created a program similar to Steel's except 1610 doesn't need to be receiving a virus to be able to backward hack the hacker. He just has to be getting hacked....HA! hacked.
Spidey>>>>Spider-woman of course.
616 Thor>>>>>>>1610 Thor As time goes on, though, 1610's Thor is having more showings of strength.
Little Anthony was removed from Tony's Brain before he died
Yeeeaaaaa, he's also dead. So I'm pretty sure we're basing this off before the recent issues lol.
And don't say, "No he's a robot or something now" either.
For a start, Earth-616 Thor demolishes his Ultimate self. That leaves 616-Thor slightly damaged to help out someone else.
My instinct is that the two Hulks would run to each other and battle, ignoring everyone else. I do not know who would take the upper hand here so let's just assume that this is where 616-Thor comes in and kills Ultimate Hulk with the help of 616-Hulk. 616-Thor is weary and not much help while 616-Hulk is barely grazed and raging (stronger) because he couldn't defeat Ultimate Hulk independently.
Perhaps the most interesting battle would be your friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man (616) and traitor as a former member of Hydra, Spider-Woman (Ultimates). However, with her military training and bio-stun powers and superhuman strength and agility and supersonic flight, Julia just takes the win.
Then 616-Hulk comes in and stomps on her face.
616-Iron Man is no more nor less advanced than Ultimate Tony when it comes to tech, but the Earth-616 version is by far a better fighter. This leaves him on top but his armour will probably not survive this close battle, leaving him an ordinary human. 616-Thor would probably try to protect him.
I do prefer the Avengers to the Ultimates, but I have to say, Ultimate Hawkeye is perhaps the best Hawkeye of any Earth. He won't be damaged - not much, at least - but then that leaves the battle line-up like this:
Ultimates: Hawkeye (status: unscathed)
vs
Avengers: Tony (status: no armour), Thor (status: unwell), and Hulk (status: raging and more powerful than ever before, unscathed and about ten feet tall.)
Yeah, my vote is on the Avengers.
Ultimate Hulk < Savage Hulk
Ultimate Hawkeye >>> Hawkeye
Ultimate Iron Man = Pre Secrete Wars Iron Man
Ultimate Spider-Woman = Current depowered Jessica but < Skrulll Queen Jessica
Ultimate Thor = Unworthy Thor < Worthy Thor
@sirfizzwhizz: I'd put ultimate Thor even lower than unworthy Thor lol
@sirfizzwhizz: Hulk soLos then
@darksercate: no way in hell. Ultimate Thor is far faster in speeds, has BFR abilities, better lightning ability, near enough in durability, and striking strength to match by feats. Not seeing Unworthy Thor as better in anyway when Angela kicks his ass consistently.
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