The Flood vs Marvel Earth and Justice league Earth

Anybody that can destroy earth and remake it with everything rebuilt and alive wins

@Ultra_Girl_: So what? Any reality warper wishes them out of existence. People like SA Dr Fate and Classic Dr Strange mutter a spell and the flood all die.

@Ultra_Girl_ said:

@MorganFreeman said:

The geniuses of each world will be able to develop counter-measures to the Flood once they get themselves a sample of the species. Dr. Doom, Richards, Batman, Luthor, etc.

No they won't the fore runners couldn't and they created freaking galaxy lvl weapons

Doom has leeched the power from Galactus before, so it's not like the Flood will simply take over both Earths without any resistance. I think Doom alongside the likes of Luthor, Grodd, Martian Manhunter, Mr. Fantastic and Batman can devise safety measures for the world once they get to observe a sample of the Flood, especially since they have magic on their side with people like Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, etc. I'm not saying there won't be massive casualties but I do believe the collective efforts of each Earth can overcome the Flood.

@RoyHarperBLOW:Scans of them wiping an entire species with one spell in current incarnation?

@MorganFreeman said:

@Ultra_Girl_ said:

@MorganFreeman said:

The geniuses of each world will be able to develop counter-measures to the Flood once they get themselves a sample of the species. Dr. Doom, Richards, Batman, Luthor, etc.

No they won't the fore runners couldn't and they created freaking galaxy lvl weapons

Doom has leeched the power from Galactus before, so it's not like the Flood will simply take over both Earths without any resistance. I think Doom alongside the likes of Luthor, Grodd, Martian Manhunter, Mr. Fantastic and Batman can devise safety measures for the world once they get to observe a sample of the Flood, especially since they have magic on their side with people like Dr. Strange, Dr. Fate, etc. I'm not saying there won't be massive casualties but I do believe the collective efforts of each Earth can overcome the Flood.

There's a difference Doom can't leech power from galactus cause it's just humans, and the Flood waged an inter galactis war with the forerunners?

do you know that it took the halo rings to beat them?

and that did not necessary destroy them it just starved them to the point they were to weak to fight.

@Ultra_Girl_: Not in current forms.

But if Franklin Richards can control Galactus and kill Celestials what makes you think he can't destroy the Flood?

@RoyHarperBLOW: because he hasn't shown feats to prove so

besides who's to say the flood don't infect their top hitters at the start

when a flood infects somebody they have all their knowledge and abilities

they'd know everybody one they take out the watch tower or hellicarrier.

it's not like MARVEL or DC characters always instant kill armies that can wage a thousand year war in the blink of an eye.

@Ultra_Girl_: How will the flood deal with Omega Level Mutants especially ones that are the Phoenix Force's Avatar?

How will they kill Mister Immortal?

Spectre solos

@RoyHarperBLOW:The Phoenix force is only a problem till the flood kill the hosts

no hosts no problem

Omega Mutants are high tier, flood will only defeat them by infecting the entire atmosphere with flood spores

(YES they CAN DO THAT, and HAVE DONE it,)

making them get infected as it becomes just as abundant as air (they still have to breath? basically anybody who has to breath gets clobbered)

People with ice powers are no problem because infection forms have survived in space with ease (which is below zero)

Mister Immortal can be BFR'd or incapacitated if the flood use human tech.

(the flood pilot space ships in their weakest incarnations, and also out smarted + over powered the fore runners before.)

I'm not saying the Flood stomp all I'm just saying they stop low-mid tiers, only the high tiers have a chance of beating them

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NO ONE WILL STOMP THE FLOOD HERE

the only way the flood gets stomped is if MARVEL earth gets a year of prep.

@Ultra_Girl_: Can the Flood defeat Galactus?

@RoyHarperBLOW:Potentially yes

if they had months of prep and MARVEL technology.

@Ultra_Girl_: How would they get that?

What's to stop someone like Reed Richards to get help from alternate realities?

@Frocharocha please make rules so we can determine a clear winner?

@RoyHarperBLOW:

In halo 3 the flood piloted a Covenant CCS-class battlecruiser

( into a portal and crashed it in a small part of africa)

with in minutes they overrun the UNSC forces, and just a few hours later the covenant had to glass the ENTIRE continent to ashes to prevent the flood from taking over earth

Africa is 11,670,000 sq miles big, the infection and rate of reproduction is godly if they were too much for even the UNSC and Covenant combined to even attempt to slow them down.

@Ultra_Girl_ said:

There's a difference Doom can't leech power from galactus cause it's just humans, and the Flood waged an inter galactis war with the forerunners?

do you know that it took the halo rings to beat them?

and that did not necessary destroy them it just starved them to the point they were to weak to fight.

You're missing my point but oh well.

Yes, I'm aware of what is told of the Flood in the games and I've read a little bit in a couple books about them. But the Chief fought them very well. Both universes have numerous people who can do exponentially more than the Chief did and do so exponentially faster as well.

@MorganFreeman:Chief fought them well because

1. He had energy shields and flood infection forms would get zapped every time they tried to get him

2. He is super human

3. He had an air tight suit that prevented any sort of infection to get to him

4. He never fought actual flood army only small portions of it

5. He had help and even than it was WITH GREAT DIFFICULTY

6. He's canonically lucky.

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

If galactic incineration couldn't stop the Flood, I don't think Marvel/Justice League would stop the Flood. Batman, for example, is just one man with billions of dollars of technology. The Forerunners made the Halo Rings that rid the entire galaxy of life and that barely stopped the Gravemind. That said, Superman and Flash are fast enough (and them, as well as most other heroes are probably immune to infection) to dodge all of the Graveminds attacks. Wally as far as I've seen has faster metabolism, but he hasn't shown immunity to diseases.

So yeah, restrictions need to be made for beings like Thor, Superman, Dr.Strange, and others that can instantly eradicate most Flood Forms, but those aren't needed directly against Gravemind.

Jean Grey or the Martian Manhunter could probably mind rape the Grave Mind and tell it to shove off.

@Lord_Johnathan:Probably not, if it's the flood at its peak it would have trillions of life forms at its disposal it would mind rape MM and Jean Grey into submission.

@Ultra_Girl_ :

Name one time the Gravemind has been able to discern the thoughts of the population of an entire planet. Name one time the grave mind had enough psionic power to tear a planet apart. It never has, therefore it stands to reason it's likely a weaker psion than the two.

@Lord_Johnathan:Not in defense

Unless there's evidence of them capable of mind wiping several star systems worth of minds than nah

Remember the grave mind controlled trillions of life forms with thought, the best feats are from the Martian Manhunter who's planet level and even than he failed to use tp on The Joker.

@Ultra_Girl_:

I have to go to work, but I'll continue this later.

@Lord_Johnathan:Okay

XD

P.S: Not trying to be a fan girl, just trying to give the flood a fighting chance!

Ok,First,Galactus would stomp the flood,the flood is just physical Galactus is beyond phisical his true form is energetical and similar to Eternity's,so they can't hurt him,and also the guy can erradicate galaxies like it's nothing(Top-tier skyfathers can do it and galactus is above them),he could just use the UN and be done with it.

Also saying that Marvel Earth and DC Earth wouldn't be able to resist the flood is a bit of a stretch, they have many guys who are beyond the physical and/or have bodies that wouldn't be infected.

Sure,the great majority of the military would be useless,however there are people like Dr.Strange,Thor,Ghost Rider and many others on Marvel,on DC you've got guys like The Phantom Stranger,Dr.Fate and the Spectre.Most of these people can bust a planet and none of them would be affected by the flood (Strange has Seraphin shield and he can go intangible) and all of the can lay waste to the flood's armies.Superman also should be immune.There are many others who wouldn't be affected and would defeat the flood in battle.

Not to say there's also a great quantity of heroes and villains who very well could be infected.

Now,for you guys saying that the flood will win because they defeated the Forerunners,let's not forget the conditions of their defeat, like the war with humans,betrayal of the Didact,which IIRC was one of their best commanders,and more importantly...PIS,it's the same reason the Wraith defeated the Ancients,they needed to win so they could become villains,ah and if the Forerunners didn't waited until the last moment to go all out,and use anything they could against the flood,they could have defeated it without that much casualties IMHO.

Scarlet Witch can just wish it all away, "No more Flood."

Superman, Martian Manhunter, Power Girl, Super Girl, Hyperion, Blue Marvel, Thor, and the remainder of the Thor/Superman clones of their respective universes get together and simultaneously vaporize the flood with heat vision. Add in your typical energy blasters as well.

Oh, and if you want to really get spiteful, add in your Gods and Elder Gods that call Earth home to make it even more of a stomp. And this is neglecting all of the high order telepaths, reality warpers, and whatever the hell else.

@Ultra_Girl_: What's to stop Dr Strange from merging with an entity or abstract and then kill the Flood.

@Kellar21 said:

Ok,First,Galactus would stomp the flood,the flood is just physical Galactus is beyond phisical his true form is energetical and similar to Eternity's,so they can't hurt him,and also the guy can erradicate galaxies like it's nothing(Top-tier skyfathers can do it and galactus is above them),he could just use the UN and be done with it.

Also saying that Marvel Earth and DC Earth wouldn't be able to resist the flood is a bit of a stretch, they have many guys who are beyond the physical and/or have bodies that wouldn't be infected.

Sure,the great majority of the military would be useless,however there are people like Dr.Strange,Thor,Ghost Rider and many others on Marvel,on DC you've got guys like The Phantom Stranger,Dr.Fate and the Spectre.Most of these people can bust a planet and none of them would be affected by the flood (Strange has Seraphin shield and he can go intangible) and all of the can lay waste to the flood's armies.Superman also should be immune.There are many others who wouldn't be affected and would defeat the flood in battle.

Not to say there's also a great quantity of heroes and villains who very well could be infected.

Now,for you guys saying that the flood will win because they defeated the Forerunners,let's not forget the conditions of their defeat, like the war with humans,betrayal of the Didact,which IIRC was one of their best commanders,and more importantly...PIS,it's the same reason the Wraith defeated the Ancients,they needed to win so they could become villains,ah and if the Forerunners didn't waited until the last moment to go all out,and use anything they could against the flood,they could have defeated it without that much casualties IMHO.

Comics beings are not allowed. Only the heroes from Marvel Earth and DC Earth. So let's remove anyone who can defeat Cosmic beings. The Flood would get stomped by Silver Surfer.

Any being with neural systems can be infected by the Flood. Needless to say, they were created by the Precursors, this race was probably the most powerful race ever to exist in Halo Universe. if theory's are correct, they were Tier 4 in Karshev scale, which is higher then the Time Lords. So the Flood is a very powerful weapon, able to adapt for any situation like Tyrandis and the Zerg.

The Human- Forerunner war at least in the books was nothing to the Forerunners. The humans didn't last enough and the Forerunners didn't wasted even 0,0001% of their army against them. The Flood atacked by the inside, using fear and their weakness against them. The gravemind never tried using open battles against them.

@Ultra_Girl_ said:

@RoyHarperBLOW:The Phoenix force is only a problem till the flood kill the hosts

no hosts no problem

Omega Mutants are high tier, flood will only defeat them by infecting the entire atmosphere with flood spores

(YES they CAN DO THAT, and HAVE DONE it,)

making them get infected as it becomes just as abundant as air (they still have to breath? basically anybody who has to breath gets clobbered)

People with ice powers are no problem because infection forms have survived in space with ease (which is below zero)

Mister Immortal can be BFR'd or incapacitated if the flood use human tech.

(the flood pilot space ships in their weakest incarnations, and also out smarted + over powered the fore runners before.)

I'm not saying the Flood stomp all I'm just saying they stop low-mid tiers, only the high tiers have a chance of beating them

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NO ONE WILL STOMP THE FLOOD HERE

the only way the flood gets stomped is if MARVEL earth gets a year of prep.

Sorry for double post but Super Girl is right. There was a super version of flood they removed from Halo 2 because it was ridiculous overpowered. Needles saying, some stronger versions of the Flood could probably easy tank nuclear bombs. Heck, the Primordial was an older version of Gravemind with over 2 billion years of age. He survived the halo rings fire, which would have desintagrated super man and also survived a Reverse Timelock, which basically accelerates billions of years in nano seconds.

The Flood would survive beings like Silver Surfer of course, but they would be more than a match to booth worlds.

@Frocharocha: Is Franklin Richards allowed(he made Galactus his herald)

What about Phoenix Force Avatars?

Also Dr. Strange can merge with powerful entities. He merges with Zom and destroys the flood.

@RoyHarperBLOW said:

@Frocharocha: Is Franklin Richards allowed(he made Galactus his herald)

What about Phoenix Force Avatars?

Also Dr. Strange can merge with powerful entities. He merges with Zom and destroys the flood.

Those three would destroy the Flood alone. Let's put the Omega leveled mutants and cosmic entities at vacations.

@Frocharocha im sure u already stated Marvel/Earth DC only? that means no supes/Silver Surfer etc etc?

Back to the battle, how do the Flood for example go about defeating the likes of Swamp-Thing & Man-Thing without destroying Earth?

Also imo the spores wont work on either character or any typre of mind control.

@Chaos Prime said:

@Frocharocha im sure u already stated Marvel/Earth DC only? that means no supes/Silver Surfer etc etc?

Back to the battle, how do the Flood for example go about defeating the likes of Swamp-Thing & Man-Thing without destroying Earth?

Also imo the spores wont work on either character or any typre of mind control.

Do they have biomass (are organic made) and have any kind of neural impulse, or brain? Then they are susceptible to Flood infection.

@Frocharocha said:

@Chaos Prime said:

@Frocharocha im sure u already stated Marvel/Earth DC only? that means no supes/Silver Surfer etc etc?

Back to the battle, how do the Flood for example go about defeating the likes of Swamp-Thing & Man-Thing without destroying Earth?

Also imo the spores wont work on either character or any typre of mind control.

Do they have biomass (are organic made) and have any kind of neural impulse, or brain? Then they are susceptible to Flood infection.

May work on ur average Oak tree or Human but not on these two imo.Even if they did infect vast amounts of Humans/Wildlife Swamp-Thing imo could reverse the effect as he did when Superman was infected by an organic virus.

What may work in the Halo Universe can work in this scenario but to a certain degree,Imo there will be too many from the Marvel/DC side that can not only be immune but also counter the threat from the spores & mind control.

prep time here is wot swings the scales for a major mojority win for Earth imo.

How much tech do the flood start with?

@MisterGuyMan said:

How much tech do the flood start with?

Well, when i stated "The Flood starts with small outbreaks until global scale war". Hell probably have a lot of the military at his disposal. Such as the majority of S.H.I.E.L.D and of the military. he'll also have control of the great majority of Earth technology since he can hack with ease any.

SHIELD and Earth military is a joke. They are the definition of cannon fodder. The Flood won't be able to do much since the tech they get their hands on are useless compared to what the heroes carry.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

SHIELD and Earth military is a joke. They are the definition of cannon fodder. The Flood won't be able to do much since the tech they get their hands on are useless compared to what the heroes carry.

They would use the ships and weapons to spread the infection. An as well to hold the super heroes while infecting some easier subjective heroes to the horde.

While that, the grave-mind would turn also some subjective heroes with mind-raping assuming he's almost omnipresent and omniscient with those powers ,able to access any non-powerful telepathy mind. He also doen that with Forerunner I.A and some high-ranking Forerunner, causing massive Civil War.

@Frocharocha: the forerunners by nature were not an aggressive race. If they acted much sooner the forerunners would have won, but due to their passive nature they waited too late. Also I don't see what stops Dr. Strange, Zantanna or Scarlet Witch from doing some magic to just make them gone. Both Earths have too many variables and characters to lose. Hell, Marvel's smartest men make the Forerunner look like another standard alien race. I wouldn't be surprised if Reed Richards has a cure by mid afternoon.

z@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

@Frocharocha: the forerunners by nature were not an aggressive race. If they acted much sooner the forerunners would have won, but due to their passive nature they waited too late. Also I don't see what stops Dr. Strange, Zantanna or Scarlet Witch from doing some magic to just make them gone. Both Earths have too many variables and characters to lose. Hell, Marvel's smartest men make the Forerunner look like another standard alien race. I wouldn't be surprised if Reed Richards has a cure by mid afternoon.

It's cannon that there was no cure, the ancient humans said there was one but there isn't the cure was actually sacrificing the majority of their population to appease the flood so it would leave them alone.

The only way they are losing is to an abstract, not even marvel's preppers can do it with anything less.

@RoyHarperBLOW said:

@Ultra_Girl_: What's to stop Dr Strange from merging with an entity or abstract and then kill the Flood.

Current incarnation has not shown the ability to do so...but if he can/ or did well than flood are F**KED! with out prep XD

BUT you have to admit that if they need an abstract being to take them down the flood than yah.....now you know how boss they are, you need an abstract entity to take them down, not even the Kree and Skrulls combined are more dangerous than the flood the MARVEL humans never needed an abstract to take them down.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

@Frocharocha: the forerunners by nature were not an aggressive race. If they acted much sooner the forerunners would have won, but due to their passive nature they waited too late. Also I don't see what stops Dr. Strange, Zantanna or Scarlet Witch from doing some magic to just make them gone. Both Earths have too many variables and characters to lose. Hell, Marvel's smartest men make the Forerunner look like another standard alien race. I wouldn't be surprised if Reed Richards has a cure by mid afternoon.

The Flood had a lot of weapons in their arsenal since the Forerunner-Human War and even before. The reason they lost to the Flood it was because of the Primordial and because they underestimated the Flood as little bugs . Before that, the Flood weren't that huge of a problem. If the Primordial is in this conflict, booth planets are screwed. He survived the most powerful weapons the Forerunners had at range. He's so dangerous the precursors locked him for billions of years in the dark space (outside the galaxy) for unknown reasons.

Each Forerunner armor has it's ways to adapt to any battle. Ur-Didact had tens of thousands according to cryptum. For example, Hulk tries to crush a Forerunner soldier (said to be 3x more powerful than a Spartan 2) , the armor would instantly create a plasma sword blast and cut him in half. And they still lost to the Flood. The flood could create thousands of units per second.

OH MY GOSH! You underestimate King Kong like you do the friggn flood. Hulk gets owned by Godzilla and yet you say king kong can't take the hulk even though he has nearly beat Godzilla before? Total stupidity. The flood could infect nearly everybody here. I mean I guess a few like Wolverine and Superman that are just survivors are going to be slaughtering these things but with all these new characters etc. Look at all the people infected + billions more infected (you said hte marvel universe and that is alot of people, I mean you have the general population) The scale of this is crazy... A huge mess if anything. Ironman is getting infected (yeah don't belive me but he will) Same with batman, and a majority of heroes and villains. Kind of hard to say that the flood will lose because if somebody like Wally gets infected will the flood thing have superspeed? Or if Bruce Banner gets infected will he turn into a hulked out flood? What if the flood beasts get into gamma radiation and get hulked out? All in all one huge mess. Though if we have some of the imperfects involved... Brigade (Devil DInosaur and Brigade=my number 1 favorites) Brigade is disease resistent, and he could easilty beat down the hulk with super powerful plasma blasts and super strength... Devil Dinosaur may be I dunno... But moon boy would problably go infected and DD would just go into depression and most likely die. Dare Devil, maybe spiderman etc. all infected. Dare me to get my encyclapedias of marvel and dc out? I can find tons of people that when infected are dangerous power filled members of the flood.

Look at all this wank. LOOK AT IT.

I foresee the Swamp Thing ending this.

@Ultra_Girl_: @Frocharocha: Halo-verse doesn't have magic. So I still see a win for Earth.

Uhmm... Nobody said it didn't.

Captain Atom solos

I'm asking about available technology because the Flood danger is exponential compared to the technology they have. The more they start with the faster they acquire more technology and exponentially become more dangerous. If they can unlock Reed/Doom tech then they'll win. If they start with Shield files then they should at least know enough to have a good strategy going forward.

If the Flodd access a time machine or Infinity Gem then I'd say it's over.

@thefusescape said:

Uhmm... Nobody said it didn't.

No Halo doesn't have magic. Prove it has magic, you'll find no evidence for anything but psychic powers.

@Ultra_Girl_ Has there been a case of The Flood being able to devistate a race/world similar to the one in this scenario?

Or are its prime foes the Spartans/Arbiters? just asking BTW :)

Also going back to the magic question, how do they even start trying to tackle a foe like Ghost Rider? Because imo Abstracts wont be needed in this encounter.

@thefusescape said:

OH MY GOSH! You underestimate King Kong like you do the friggn flood. Hulk gets owned by Godzilla and yet you say king kong can't take the hulk even though he has nearly beat Godzilla before? Total stupidity. The flood could infect nearly everybody here. I mean I guess a few like Wolverine and Superman that are just survivors are going to be slaughtering these things but with all these new characters etc. Look at all the people infected + billions more infected (you said hte marvel universe and that is alot of people, I mean you have the general population) The scale of this is crazy... A huge mess if anything. Ironman is getting infected (yeah don't belive me but he will) Same with batman, and a majority of heroes and villains. Kind of hard to say that the flood will lose because if somebody like Wally gets infected will the flood thing have superspeed? Or if Bruce Banner gets infected will he turn into a hulked out flood? What if the flood beasts get into gamma radiation and get hulked out? All in all one huge mess. Though if we have some of the imperfects involved... Brigade (Devil DInosaur and Brigade=my number 1 favorites) Brigade is disease resistent, and he could easilty beat down the hulk with super powerful plasma blasts and super strength... Devil Dinosaur may be I dunno... But moon boy would problably go infected and DD would just go into depression and most likely die. Dare Devil, maybe spiderman etc. all infected. Dare me to get my encyclapedias of marvel and dc out? I can find tons of people that when infected are dangerous power filled members of the flood.

You are vastly underestimating the scientists of both universes. I don't see how Iron Man would get infecting. I have no doubt that Reed Richards would find an swear to the flood for the Marvel people. On the DC side, Superman solos. The flood are dead before they even touch ground. The flood has a better chance against Marvel but still lose. The covenant was able to contain the flood on each by burning them. I don't think you understand exactly how powerful some of these heroes are. I don't know where you get your feats either. You talk about having dictionaries but then you talk about nonsense like Godzilla beating Hulk. The worse part is that I don't know if you are a very committed troll or if you seriously believe the stuff you write.