The Avengers vs Sosuke Aizen

Can we all just agree that Strange would whoop the walking PIS device solo?

In a situation with no plot, yes lol

@thelocust619: @darkraiden: let me help you guys out here

1) aizen has COMPLETE hypnosis. This is true.

2) maybe hulk and maybe strange have a counter. the list you made is the biggest speculation in the whole thread.

3) no. None of them are faster in combat speed. iroan man can travel far with repulsors etc. But he's not very fast in combat, thor is known for his slow combat speed but he travels fast using hammer, hulk is not slow, but he's not even flashstep fast in combat, etc. Etc. Rinse and repeat with other avangers.

4) you forgot, being immortal, putting an entire society of death gods under complete hypnosis, having a fake body of his pass a full autopsy in research department, fodderizing the visard, gotei 13, and his own espada, taking on youroichi urahara and ichi's dad all at once without so much as flinching, not losing as of yet in battle, etc etc

5) this is true

6) no he wasn't. He was beaten by a hidden seal, within another seal, that did not work until ichigo pushed him to his limits, so far that that the hogyoku decided it no longer wanted aizen as it's host, the seal then sealed the hogyoku and aizen with it(now having already lost his hogyoku powers).

7) no. Not unless they are kido masters and can convince the hogyoku that aizen should not be it's master, and then seal them both with said kido, hidden within another kido. Basically no they cant.

8) you mispelled "aizen" and yes he does soulstomp.

2 Thor has resisted planetary TP as well, Iron Man has psychic dampeners to weaken it, as well as what was it like microscopic telepathic tasers he used to stop emma Frost, and Sensors to help him see through it. Captain America was once shown to be very hard to mind read/rape when some mutant kid wanted to test his skill. Spidey is speculation yes.

3. Thor has microsecond reaction times, Iron Man has moved in blurs, outpaced Sentry, easily tagged Human Torch, and more. He's no slouch.

4. None of that matters because all the people he beat were rather weak.

6. Strange should be able to seal it as well is the point. Thor can cancel the magic or drain his life energy as well.

7. Strange is a master of magic, so he may be able to.convince it or fool it with the illusion that fooled galactus and drove him off, also Crimson Bands of Cyttorak should work.

8. Nope, Strange and Thor have really good soul defense.

@darkraiden:

2) the difference between that tp that they resisted and aizen's is, *drumrollplease*

...their tp has been resisted, aizen's hasn't.

3) reaction time's not the only factor in combat speed, iron man moving in blurs =/= leaving a group of people's sight completely. Tagging torch is not a feat wtf.

4) weak? Right... compared to him yes...

6) no they can't. they have no knowledge of kidos. and aizen was only sealed AFTER he lost his hogyoku powers. The seal was on him the WHOLE TIME, and it DID NOTHING. plus they have no knowledge of how the hogyoku works. Btw, since you don't either, it grants wishes. Aizen uses it to continuously evolve and transcend both soul reapers and hollows(also visard and arrancar)

7) it's not a living thing lol. how's he convincing it? he would have to make it leave aizen by showing the hogyoku that aizen is not a suitable master, by showing that aizen is weak. If aizen is bound or bfr'ed he'll transcend being bound, or just return via garganta.

8) not even important. But everyone here who doesn't gets insta killed by aizens presence

@cooldes:

1. More importantly the Tp they resisted actually has feats of trapping people with Tp resistance, while Aizen's doesn't. So they would all succeed until something else is shown.

3. Torch is really fast actually, at least hypersonic.

4. Weak compared to planet busters and the people I'm naming.

6. I know it "grants wishes" doesn't mean it won't be overpowered. It has no feats of tanking planet destroying moves, and until you provide some, it loses. Anything else would be speculating.

7. Puts an illusion on Aizen or it, to separate them, or just bind them. He's not shown resisting anything on the level of the crimsons bands. And thus he can't. Anything else is speculation.

8. Not true. Hulk would live, Wolverine would live, Iron Man's shields would likely protect him.

@darkraiden: Aizen doesn't have TP in the regular sense, he controls the senses of the person(Sight, Hearing, Touch, Smell, perception of time).

The senses are controlled by the brain, thus he targets the brain. It's literally the only way.

Dr. Strange? Avengers murder.

If it wasn't for him... and Thor, Aizen would stand a chance.

@cooldes: @the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk:

Aizen's shikai is much like Marvel's misdirection with Fantomex, and we all know how uber that is. In Marvel hierarchy, misdirection has trumped TP. So Im going to agree Aizen is above TP with his shikai, and he has over 100 years of experience with it, and he knows Kido.

The only 3 people worth anything in this fight is Strange, Iron Man and Pym since both have one week prep. Strange probably could come up with a powerful seal but....Aizen's shikai total hypnosis is cast faster than Strange's incantations of his Bands of Cytorrak. The speed in which they unleash their abilities goes clearly to Aizen, IMO.

Pym and Stark with prep are both dangerous so that would be interesting. Pym has even classified Scarlet Witch's ability when it started to become uber. So he does have some background in magic/science. These two would be interesting against Aizen.

Thor and Hulk are monsters but Aizen would probably think each are a fake Aizen. The rest are non factors in this fight

This is a hard one Aizen is god with prep, same as Iron man and Dr Strange. Cap is the most dsangerous of all with a plan. Aizen can take down most of them with prep except Thor. I'm gonna say Avengers 8/10 with hard difficult.

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Aizen can win this. his first strike has to be to kill Dr. Strange as he can most likely see through Aizens illusions and maybe tony since he doesnt have direct line of sight on aizen but after that everyone else is toast. Aizen can make them all belive they are attacking him while having a different person in the group as Aizen till they take each other out

Aizen with prep wins

So Aizen controls all five senses, but spidey sense is a sixth sense.

This is a stomp for Aizen

Doctor strange with prep is mvp

I'd like to see how Aizen would fight against someone with multiple personalities (Hulk), someone with more than 6 senses (Spiderman), someone who's simply incredibly durable (Hulk and Thor) or someone who has a healing factor (Wolverine). That's without prep, if you give the avengers prep, Strange simply stomps and Iron man would probably make an armor made to counter the likes of Aizen (if he hasn't such an armor already).

For everyone who cries about Aizen's manipulation of the 5 senses:

- There are characters with multiple personalities (Hulk, Moonknight, etc.)

- There are characters with multiple senses (Spiderman)

- There are characters with better illusions (Dr. Strange)

- There are characters who can dispel illusions (Thor with his Mjolnir IIRC)

- There are characters who can manipulate the 5 senses just like Aizen (Emma Frost, Professor X, pretty much any high level telepath)

- There is such a thing as a robot who can fight Aizen (Dr. Doom's Doombots, Ultron, etc.)

- There are characters who can do what Aizen does in terms of misdirection (Fantomex)

As someone who's watched the anime/read the manga, I don't remember seeing Aizen himself stand out against robots, people with multiple personalities, people who can dispel his illusions, etc...I'm not even talking about people who are stupidly durable (like Hulk and Thor) or those who have a healing factor (like Wolverine).

As for the Hogyoku? There's also a marvel version of that, it's called Cosmic Cube. Quite an awesome tool, too bad it's not enough to keep the Marvel folk at bay. That makes Aizen a mix between Loki and Red Skull (who still gets himself handed out).

Let's take everyone shown here one by one:

Captain America - Has Indomitable Will, his shield is very tough, always has a plan. That said, he's only peak of human performance, so Aizen stomps him. Fodder.

Iron Man - IIRC he has psychic resistance, and even without that, he most likely has sensors that can let him know something's fishy. Probably will make an armor made to counter the likes of Aizen since he has prep, if he doesn't have one already. Aizen stands a chance, but it's not a stomp. Not fodder.

Thor - IIRC Mjolnir can dispell illusions. He also has lighting, and god forbid if he ever goes Odinforce, Aizen simply gets erased from existence. His durability is also planetary level+, so Aizen ain't doing shit to him. This is pretty much Loki all over again. With that said, he falls for Loki's illusions, so HS still kicks him in the groin.

Hulk - He has the Strongest Willpower There Is. Hogyoku means nothing in the face of someone who can not only overpower it, but also do it constantly because his strength grows all the time. If Ichigo could do it by having to go all out, Hulk stomps it. Also has planetary level+ durability, much like Thor, as well as a healing factor. Aizen ain't doing jack shit to him.

Dr. Strange - Do I even need to explain? Aizen ain't doing anything to him, in fact, Dr. Strange literally carries the entire team and stomps Aizen.

Wolverine - Has awesome healing factor (comparable with Aizen, in fact), as well as an adamantium skeleton. His claws can also pierce nearly anything. That said, neither him nor Aizen can do jack shit to eachother. Fodder.

Hank Pym - Since the team has prep, he could figure out a way of dealing with both HS and Hogyoku, other than that, he stands a chance at best. Borderline fodder, tho.

Spiderman - Spidey sense is a 6th sense and I don't remember seeing Aizen fight anyone who has more than 5 senses. He may also have some nice reaction time. That said, he's not doing shit to Aizen, at least not the version shown here. Fodder.

I can understand Aizen handling out Captain America, Hank Pym and Spiderman, MAAAYBE he can handle Iron Man too (that's a huge IF because it's not like Iron Man hasn't fought enemies who used illusions before), in Wolverine's case, he stalls because there's nothing they can do to eachother, but come on, Hulk? Thor? DR. FUCKING STRANGE?? And that's WITH PREP, too! Aizen simply gets drilled the same way Loki and Red Skull always do, and unlike Kurosaki Ichigo, who had to go all out, nobody who's part of the Avengers have to do that. Oh yeah, before I see someone go "OH, BUT AIZEN CAN MAKE HULK AND THOR FIGHT THE AVENGERS".....Hulkbuster AND Thorbuster exist. Iron Man can control them remotely nowadays.

I understand Bleach is a nice anime/manga, but underestimating Marvel like that is just stupid.

Until then, Avengers stomp. Aizen is pretty much anime Loki, so it's not like whatever he's doing is anything new to them.

Either of the avengers can solo. Change my mind

If the Avengers wins, it was part of Aizen's plan all along so Aizen wins.
If Aizen lose, it was part of Aizen's plan all along so Aizen wins.

Aizen gets slammed bruh,that's frickin strange there.