Bleach Team -- Final Form Hogyoku Aizen, Dangai Ichigo, Shikai Kenpachi
Fairy Tail Team -- Zeref, Acnologia, Irene
Magi Team -- Kougyoku Ren, Kouen Ren, Alibaba
OPM Team -- Genos, Prime Boros, Asura Carnage Kabuto
It isn't, nor is it their only argument (the biggest one being that it's an outlier, which it would be if he actually dodged it).
Why would be a Outlier to being with ? Naruto God Tiers having Relativistic Combat Speed and Reactions doesn't seems wrong based on quantifiable and consistent scale.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but alright.
I'm serious, if the dude is saying that Magic=Natural Energy as well then I can't really do nothing about, the same rule applies to Narutoverse so accept one and refuse the other would be a bit hypocrite of my part.
Of course, but it doesn't apply in this case.
(o.o)
You can't use his slicing attacks to justify his blunt force attacks being above multi-mountain level
He slice things with his Cutting strength.
The great complete Susano'o cutting strength that can cut-off mountain peaks,is easily enough to shut down even iron hard resistance (or is enough to make even iron-hard enemies to forfeit the battle).
The only difference is that he used a bow instead of sword against Naruto so still a strength feat independent of the mess created by it, Madara's Susano'o casual swing sliced Mountains miles away and his sword broken the Meteor in proximity into pieces
Sauce didn't managed to produce the same mess as him, should I suppose that Madara's casual swing is stronger than Mastered Rinnegan Sasuke's Six Paths Susano'o attacks ?
And he still have his Eletrical Arrows that were messing up Six Paths Naruto Kurama Avatares, as well his Indra's Arrow which could grant him a win if he use his Amenotejikara in conjuction and teleport behind Kouen.
https://i5.mangareader.net/naruto/696/naruto-5246255.jpg
Naruto in the Last released Kurama to fight against Hamura's statue while he was fighting Toneri, he wasn't even full power since he was using only KCSM and yet tanked a Moon Slicer Beam unharmed, Naruto when fought against Sasuke had the Bijuu's Chakra into his body and was using Six Paths Sage Mode, something that is Canonically stronger than his Kurama Mode, and the caption referring to this was referring to Naruto before even transform completely.
Ninjutsu, Senjutsu - Sage of Six Paths Mode
No rank, no range, offensive, defensive, supplementary
Users: Naruto Uzumaki
⬅ The floating ability used by the Sage of Six Paths is also almost mastered unconsciously by this technique's user.
From the ancestor of shinobi, a divine state is gifted, touching the principles of all creation, commanding all things in nature
The qualities for obtaining this technique are strict studying and using a small gist in chakra kneading sensibility. An iron faith to face any hardship and the guts to never give up. Furthermore, the returning incarnation and fate's guidance ― this power is granted by the Sage of Six Paths only to someone who holds those. Those who activate the technique come to understand the flow of all life, gain a deep insight at the world's origins and are able to apply it on interacting allies without changing the way of things. This technique isn't something shinobi choose to experience. It is a technique that chooses shinobi.
➡ Kicking the "Truth-Seeking Ball"! Exceeding the Kurama Mode, a feat accomplished by a huge chakra.
⬅The reaction speed is not less than equal to Madara, who had turned into the Ten-Tails' jinchuriki. The sensing ability has also risen!!
Naruto's chakra cloak previously before the Six Paths and Bijuu's Amp managed to protect the Alliance Shinobi from the Juubi's Tenpechii.
as those two types aren't interchangeable.
TBH, this is the first time that I have read this word.
Really, and no they can't.
Well, I will try to make a case them :/
Kakashi could react to Lightning before the events of Part 1
Which gives to Kakashi Lightning speed reactions and combat speed, he also managed to intercept Kakuzu's Lightning Darkness which was stated to be extremely hard do avoid(supporting Zetsu's claim that a fatigued Itachi wouldn't dodge a Mountain sized Lightning)
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And yet, a much faster Kakashi using his Mangekyou Sharingan couldn't even move some meters to dodge a a fatigued Sasuke's Susano'o arrows
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Itachi also was able to perceive the Lightning when Sasuke throw Kirin at him(based on his expression) and Sasuke was looking to him at this moment, if he really activated his Susano'o previously why Sasuke didn't noticed that ? Based on his expression, later when he saw that Itachi was alive, that was the first time that he ever saw the Susano'o.
https://i9.mangareader.net/naruto/391/naruto-7892.jpg
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One can say that according to Zetsu, Itachi wouldn't manage to dodge, but there are some things to considered here
And is pretty ironic Zetsu say that wouldn't have any dodging despite the fact that he was in proximity to Itachi and managed to avoid the Kirin in the last moment, which grants him Lightning reactions since he dodged with his Switching technique
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That was Kirin's size btw.
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Lightning can reach ground in 1/1000 of second, since the Mountain is comparable to other mountains that had clouds in close proximity, assuming a low end of 1KM for the Heavy clouds doesn't looks wrong
1km/(1/1000s)=1000km/s => Mach 2941
And if we take the anime into account, he didn't activated his Susano'o until the Lightning get close to him(this scene isn't filler btw).
After some chapters we saw Ay's speed which the later moved so fast that you can see the Lighting around his body but can't see him.
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11134/111341899/6538547-ay%27s+speed.jpg
Although this is not a absolute proof that Ay is faster than Lightning, later he managed to moved so fast that escaped from Sasuke's perception
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In the same scan, he also dodge Amaterasu, which just like Kirin was stated to be unavoidable, proving that his speed was close or bigger than Kirin, only supporting the Lightning reaction feat.
https://i9.mangareader.net/naruto/391/naruto-7885.jpg
Sasuke at EMS was fast enough to tag Sage Mode Madara, which is pretty impressive considering that previously Blind Madara blitzed Sage Mode Naruto who managed to dodge at point blank The Third Raikage maximum speed.
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Madara even complemented about his movements later, proving that Sasuke really increased his speed after get his EMS :P
Madara later got innumerable boosts, Hashirama's Sage Chakra, One Rinnegan, the God Tree, Another Rinnegan, and later a Rinnesharingan which obviously increased his speed and reactions as a matter of fact he reacted to Kamui and Sage Minato's Teleportation pretty easily.
Not only that, but he managed to react and protected himself from Naruto before the later could land a hit on him, even though that they distance by visual is only a few meters.
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This Naruto is stated by Kishimoto's own words to by superior to the Kurama Mode.
''Kicking a Truthseeker Orb! Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast chakra lets him perform this risky stunt!"
Naruto surpassed Ay's full speed since Incomplete Kurama Mode
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This was before even manage to use Kurama's full power
http://kiyoitsukikage.tumblr.com/image/157156977174
If you really think that this would be only a 2 or 3 times boost even though that in the past was stated(IIRC) that CS gives the user a 10x boost, well I can't do nothing to you though :P
Sasuke also blitzed One eyed God Tree Juudara with ease.
https://i3.mangareader.net/naruto/674/naruto-4920317.jpg
Madara also was reacting and protecting himself from Guy's attacks(Pre-God Tree)
八門遁甲の陣 // Hachimon Tonkō no Jin
[SP]
Taijutsu.
Users: Might Guy and Might Dai
Rank: A
Type: 補 Supplementary
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Right Splash Text:
終に開くは地獄の門か！魂を焦がす必「死」の超極意！
Finally opening the Gates of Hell! Burning the soul, an ultra-essential point that will be certain “Death”!
Guy Speech Bubble:
Release! Hachimon Tonkō no Jin!!!
Left Splash Text:
自分の大切なものを死んでも守りぬく時！！！
When you have something important to you to protect, even to the death!!!
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Main Body 1:
開門、休門、生門、傷門、杜門、景門、驚門、死門。。。八門全てを開いた状態のことを ”門遁甲の陣“ と言う。体に眠っている本来の何十倍もの身体能力を無理矢理引き出すため、通常では繰り出すことのできない体術をも可能にする。一門から七門を使用しても、体はダメージを負い、八門…
The Gate of Opening, Gate of Healing, Gate of Life, Gate of Pain, Gate of Limit, Gate of View, Gate of Wonder, and Gate of Death…The state when all Eight Gates are opened is called “Eight Gates Released Formation”. One’s physical abilities that are essentially lying dormant within the body are forcibly withdrawn, (augmenting) one’s faculties several dozens of times over. When it is employed, it even enables the user to perform taijutsu that one cannot typically unleash. Even by employing the First Gate through the Seventh Gate, the body is injured and damaged. As for the Eighth Gate…
[T/N]: 何十倍 is like several tens/dozens-fold multiplied power. Colloquial usage doesn’t give a concrete number, IMHO, so I wouldn’t pin it as “Dozens”. (Like if I said I’ve read “dozens” of books.)
Main Body 2:
つまり死門まで開いた者は火影すら上回る力を手にすることができるが、その代償として命を落とすと言われている。解放すると、赤い血の蒸気に覆われるが、それは命の炎が燃えている証。生命が尽きるのと引き換えに、 大切なものを守りきる。 強い覚悟と意志が必要とされる究極の体術と言えよう。
Ultimately, whoever opens as far as the Gate of Death is even able to obtain strength that exceeds that of the Hokage. However, as the consequence (of doing so), it was said that (the user) loses one’s life (in exchange). When released, one is covered in a vapour of red blood. That is evidence of burning the flame of life. In exchange for consumed life, valuable things are protected. It can be said that a strong-will and resignation are required for this ultimate taijutsu.
Conclusion, by this alone Guy's speed also increased several tens times(100 times in the manga)
Based on everything Ninjas in Naruto at Akatsuki tier have short burst, reactions and combat at near to or in Lightning speed so....
2941 x 100= Mach 294100= Relativistic :/ Also, Guy was stated to faster than Kakashi in the manga by Sasuke.
Madara was reacting against this, and according to the Databook, the EE gets stronger and faster each time that is used which means that Guy's speed was increasing each time.
Evening Elephant (Sekizou) (p. 263)
A-rank; Offensive; Close-range
User: Might Guy
“A Surge of Violently Burning Life——The “Eight Celestial Gates” Ultimate Secret!!
Releasing one’s power remitters to draw out power until the utmost limit, by opening the “Eight Gates Released Formation”, The Eighth Gate [Gate of Death], this taijutsu can be activated. For a moment, (one is) able to gain power even greater than the 5 kage (combined) however, the jutsu-caster will definitely reach death after its use — a double-edged sword. It is actually a super-speed hit/strike in air, a hitting (offensive) air-cannon.
There are *1 to 5 levels (steps, phases) of speed; raising the gear will increase the power.
(Guy vs Madara): Hitting out with unstoppable speed before the eyes, a great barrage of attacks in the face of death (to certain-death)! Might Guy had unleashed “Evening Elephant”, and overwhelmed even Madara who had become the Ten-Tails Jinchuuriki.”
Which means that he wasn't limited only to 100 times power, his power was increasing constantly, and later he moved so fast that he bend space which none of his attacks or movements managed to do previously.
空間がねじ曲がつただと
He is twisting the space around him ?!
The Kanji 空間 can be translated as Airspace or space, but, in the japanese grammar Airspace is used under specific contexts such as expressions related to aerodynamics and planes.
And Later, Madara used his Inton Raiha to caught both Naruto and Sasuke.
Name: Sage Art: Yin Element: Lightning Dispatch (Senpou Inton Raiha)
Classification: Ninjutsu, Senjutsu
Rank: Not available
Class: Offensive
Range: Medium
User (s): Uchiha Madara
Panel legend:
A Ninjutsu used by Madara Uchiha after acquiring Senjutsu of the Sage of the Six Paths, where he uses the Yin element to create forms out of nothing, combined with the Ray element and release from the palm of his hands, a hundred ray branches that capture the enemy with organized lightning.
https://i3.mangareader.net/naruto/674/naruto-4920289.jpg
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Both were massively faster than lightning to the point that looks like the lightning is not even moving at all, they are standing still and are not even in a position to move or attack and yet were quick enough to stop lightning even though the distance was only a few meters, which is consistent
Kakashi= Short boost movements/reactions fast enough to intercept lightning but likely not fast enough to move faster than one so is likely close to the Lightning speed in combat
Itachi= Faster and stronger than Kakashi, was fatigued but managed to react against Lightning and protect himself in the last moment
Naruto and Sasuke= Both faster than lightning even without trying.
Applying the 1/1000 thing again, they were both just a few meters from Madara, which means that they would need to move pretty fast.
Sasuke also blitzed Madara before the later managed to react or dodge, Madara who was stated to have Reactions close or comparable to Naruto, the same guy that can dodge a confirmed Light speed attack
Ninjutsu / Senjutsu - Sage Art: Storm Release Light Fang
A ninjutsu used by those who gained the six paths power, they emit a beam of light to bisect the enemy. Like a sharp and pointed fang, it cuts all things with the speed of light, making it impossible for the enemy to evade even one swing.
Actually, Databook or not there are a few things to be considered here:
Perceiving this phantom is impossible, the enemies unpreparedness invites disaster.
A person who posses the Rinnegan can intervene in an adjacent world, an extremely distance world. In that space a shadow is produced, which everyone who is connected with the current world can't feel. Not only will the jutsu user gain a duplicate of himself with equal ability, but it will also be invisible. Squaring of against a user, counter attack is impossible, going up against this ability will result in one losing against such a powerful enemy
The Rinnegan can shape one shadow. With a complete set of two Rinnegan it can shape 4.
When fighting the enemy in close combat the shadow will stay away. But after a time the shadow will return.
FTL Night Guy confirmed. Sarcasm.
Naruto also moved a feat meters before Sasuke return from his Amenotejikara.
Something that teleport someone in a instant.
You know what really is a outlier ? Sauce reacting against Light speed attacks when he was only using his 3 Tomoe Sharingan.
光速の一刀は飛ぶ斬撃となって、敵を襲う！名刀黒澤とミフネの剣漸技が合致した一撃！！
A light speed sword turns into a flying slash attack and attack enemies! A blow that the swordsmanship of Kotori Kurosawa and Mifune matched! !
I edited my post to include blunt weapons.
Okay.
It's not the strength, but the application. For example, slicing a watermelon in half with a sword would require a different application of force than you would use to punch someone in the face. This is the same concept.
Fair enough, but we can apply more scale such as him managing to trade blows with the Kuramas Avatares, Naruto previously to this was managing to trade blows against Kaguya's Chakra arms.
Those same arms were created by Kaguya's own chakra
Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack (八十神空撃, Yasogami Kūgeki):
"A Kekkei Mōra/Taijutsu used by Kaguya, made possible by her mastery of Chakra. She loads Chakra into her palm, and then unleashes it as a barrage of countless fists. The fist attacks can also be used defensively, and when coupled with Kaguya's perfect Dōjutsu, it has the potential to become the strongest offensive ability. The Hyūga Clan uses a similar vacuum palm attack, Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm, but there is a wide gulf in power between the two."
Which even when she was suppressed she was stated to be far above Dual Rinnegan+Rinnesharingan +God Tree + Ten Tails Madara
This same Madara with just One Rinnegan and Pre God Tree was stated to be > Juubito
the same Juubito that while incomplete managed to destroy the 4CRB the same barrier tanking Juubidamas.
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Not what I said, but whatever.
I've already explained this to you multiple times.
Ignore this, I addressed above, so okay then :)
Because the attacks aren't the same. If I destroy a mountain, then I'm far stronger than someone who only cut one in half. It's also, as I've been saying, not the same kind of attack.
True, but he also managed to destroy 1 meteor and half with this same attack, and he didn't cut the Meteor, he merely touched him.
He isn't.
He in a weaker mode and without even going full power reacted in base to a attack that crossed the diameter of the Moon in just some seconds, how he is not fast ?
I've yet to see one feat proving that he's anywhere above the upper echelons of massively hypersonic
I kind of post feats above so you can see them, I think.
whereas the speed scale for Kouen looks like this: Kouen>>>Alibaba>>>Muu>>>Titus (guy that dodged a lightspeed spell).
Applying the Outlier thing, when they showed another Relativistic feat with the exception of this one ?
Even Itachi have FTL feats which I don't use cause is obviously a outlier.
''Any time spent in the real world was a thousandth of a thousandth of a thousandth of the time spent in Tsukuyomi. ((1 divided by 1,000 three times totals 0.000000001/th of a second. This is one billionth of a second. One billion seconds is equal to about 31 years. In one second of real world time, Izumi lived over thirty years inside Tsukuyomi."
Moving 1 meter in 0.000000001 seconds is 1000000000 m/s or 3.33564095198x FTL
FTL Solo God Itachi Information processing speed = 3.33564095198x FTL
Obvioulsy outlier is obviously.
You have been using those to justify his blunt force attacks having more "potency" than they've shown, so yes you are.
No, I'm not
And he still have his Eletrical Arrows that were messing up Six Paths Naruto Kurama Avatares, as well his Indra's Arrow which could grant him a win if he use his Amenotejikara in conjuction and teleport behind Kouen.
https://i5.mangareader.net/naruto/696/naruto-5246255.jpg
Naruto in the Last released Kurama to fight against Hamura's statue while he was fighting Toneri, he wasn't even full power since he was using only KCSM and yet tanked a Moon Slicer Beam unharmed, Naruto when fought against Sasuke had the Bijuu's Chakra into his body and was using Six Paths Sage Mode, something that is Canonically stronger than his Kurama Mode, and the caption referring to this was referring to Naruto before even transform completely.
I'm comparing in my post Toneri's GWRE not damaging a weaker Naruto while Sasuke's Susano'o arrows were destroying Naruto's Avatares.
If h
Not when he's fighting an opponent that could literally kill him before he could process a thought.
I disagree but okay, but should be remembered, Sauce's Susano'o is fast asf.
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It's multiple words, and anyone who knows anything on this site will tell you the exact same thing I have.
No one I have ever debate used that word.
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