Thanos vs. Shaman X-Man (TP battle)

Pre-Shaman X-man has already entered Thanos' mind once but got scared shitless. But Shaman X-man is way more powerful, more experienced and more mature, he should be able to win this. 

Pre-Shaman X-man has already entered Thanos' mind once but got scared shitless. But Shaman X-man is way more powerful, more experienced and more mature, he should be able to win this. 

There's a difference between power and comprehending things. 
  
 
 

 
"Power alone is no substitute for perception. For perception is the key which unlocks the intangible powers of the spirit. You perceive nothing."  
 
"Power without perception is spiritually useless and therefor have no true value." 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Thanos has a far and vast comprehension level than X-Man, Shaman or not.  
Thanos used to be tied with the Mind and Soul Gem. He was a master of the Infinity Gauntlet at one point and he was everything and not with the Heart of the Universe. 
 
The only Earth being capable of having an equal amount of comprehension of perception level to Thanos is no other than Dr. Doom. 
 
 
 
 
 
Thanos acknowledges this. 
  

@tron_bonne said:

There's a difference between power and comprehending things.





"Power alone is no substitute for perception. For perception is the key which unlocks the intangible powers of the spirit. You perceive nothing."

"Power without perception is spiritually useless and therefor have no true value."






Thanos has a far and vast comprehension level than X-Man, Shaman or not.
Thanos used to be tied with the Mind and Soul Gem. He was a master of the Infinity Gauntlet at one point and he was everything and not with the Heart of the Universe.

The only Earth being capable of having an equal amount of comprehension of perception level to Thanos is no other than Dr. Doom.





Thanos acknowledges this.

End of thread...Nuff said................................ hey that rhymed.

@tron_bonne: Thanos does not say that Doom is on his level in that scan, nor does he say that he is the only one capable of being on said level.

@tron_bonne: Thanos does not say that Doom is on his level in that scan, nor does he say that he is the only one capable of being on said level.

@tron_bonne: Obviously Dr. Doom is one of the smartest beings in Marvel, but that is neither here nor there. Your claim was that Doom is "The only Earth being capable of having an equal amount of comprehension of perception level to Thanos." You then said Thanos acknowledges it, and in the scan you provided it Thanos does not state Doom is his equal, merely one of the FEW (not the sole) Earthmen he bothers to keep tabs. Furthermore, since Richards at the very least is Doom's intellectual equal, he would obviously be capable of your statement if Doom in fact is.

It's also highly debatable that Doom gained Beyonder's nigh-omniscience, since he was able to be distracted enough to lose his powers, nor does it seem likely that the Beyonder was even close to being omniscient since he was able to lose his powers in the first place. Even if he did gain this, whether or not he is able to comprehend and furthermore whether he RETAINED it afterward is an entirely separate issue. I believe the retcon took care of this issue anyway.

All that said, while Doom is incredibly smart and possibly an intellectual equal to Thanos, that was not the original point of contention, merely that your scan does not state what you said it did.

Can someone give me some telepathic feats for Thanos?

@YouFinished said:

Pre-Shaman X-man has already entered Thanos' mind once but got scared shitless. But Shaman X-man is way more powerful, more experienced and more mature, he should be able to win this. 

Shaman X-man is not way more powerful he just won't die from using his power, the power is the same

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@YouFinished said:

Pre-Shaman X-man has already entered Thanos' mind once but got scared shitless. But Shaman X-man is way more powerful, more experienced and more mature, he should be able to win this. 

Shaman X-man is not way more powerful he just won't die from using his power, the power is the same

exactly, he has more control and go to his full extent thus making him a more powerful character. 

Thanos was able to mind rape Galactus. Then again this is Shaman Xman...make up my mind here people

@YouFinished said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@YouFinished said:

Pre-Shaman X-man has already entered Thanos' mind once but got scared shitless. But Shaman X-man is way more powerful, more experienced and more mature, he should be able to win this. 

Shaman X-man is not way more powerful he just won't die from using his power, the power is the same

exactly, he has more control and go to his full extent thus making him a more powerful character. 

He could always go to the full extent of his power, that is what Xman was all about, the problem was he was built to detonate at 21 because of this power, all Shaman Xman did was get branded to contain the power he already had.

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@YouFinished said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@YouFinished said:

Pre-Shaman X-man has already entered Thanos' mind once but got scared shitless. But Shaman X-man is way more powerful, more experienced and more mature, he should be able to win this. 

Shaman X-man is not way more powerful he just won't die from using his power, the power is the same

exactly, he has more control and go to his full extent thus making him a more powerful character. 

He could always go to the full extent of his power, that is what Xman was all about, the problem was he was built to detonate at 21 because of this power, all Shaman Xman did was get branded to contain the power he already had.

so your saying regular x-man is on shaman x-man's level?

@BringnIt said:

@tron_bonne: Obviously Dr. Doom is one of the smartest beings in Marvel, but that is neither here nor there. Your claim was that Doom is "The only Earth being capable of having an equal amount of comprehension of perception level to Thanos." You then said Thanos acknowledges it, and in the scan you provided it Thanos does not state Doom is his equal, merely one of the FEW (not the sole) Earthmen he bothers to keep tabs. Furthermore, since Richards at the very least is Doom's intellectual equal, he would obviously be capable of your statement if Doom in fact is.

It's also highly debatable that Doom gained Beyonder's nigh-omniscience, since he was able to be distracted enough to lose his powers, nor does it seem likely that the Beyonder was even close to being omniscient since he was able to lose his powers in the first place. Even if he did gain this, whether or not he is able to comprehend and furthermore whether he RETAINED it afterward is an entirely separate issue. I believe the retcon took care of this issue anyway.

All that said, while Doom is incredibly smart and possibly an intellectual equal to Thanos, that was not the original point of contention, merely that your scan does not state what you said it did.

You do know that Beyonder gave him a copy of his powers just for an experiment right?

i will get back to you on this after a couple of new mutants issues because everyone knows Xman will get a tremendous power boost to make up for the depowering, but i do give him the benefit of the doubt, he does have a lot of telepathic feat.

@YouFinished said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@YouFinished said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@YouFinished said:

Pre-Shaman X-man has already entered Thanos' mind once but got scared shitless. But Shaman X-man is way more powerful, more experienced and more mature, he should be able to win this. 

Shaman X-man is not way more powerful he just won't die from using his power, the power is the same

exactly, he has more control and go to his full extent thus making him a more powerful character. 

He could always go to the full extent of his power, that is what Xman was all about, the problem was he was built to detonate at 21 because of this power, all Shaman Xman did was get branded to contain the power he already had.

so your saying regular x-man is on shaman x-man's level?

Nate Grey is Nate Grey is what I'm saying, all that power is of the same level, one learned more about it than the other and that is because the one that was able to learn was given the chance due to that power being stable.  Are you saying that Pre-Shaman Nate Grey and Shaman Nate are not the same being?

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@YouFinished said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@YouFinished said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@YouFinished said:

Pre-Shaman X-man has already entered Thanos' mind once but got scared shitless. But Shaman X-man is way more powerful, more experienced and more mature, he should be able to win this. 

Shaman X-man is not way more powerful he just won't die from using his power, the power is the same

exactly, he has more control and go to his full extent thus making him a more powerful character. 

He could always go to the full extent of his power, that is what Xman was all about, the problem was he was built to detonate at 21 because of this power, all Shaman Xman did was get branded to contain the power he already had.

so your saying regular x-man is on shaman x-man's level?

Nate Grey is Nate Grey is what I'm saying, all that power is of the same level, one learned more about it than the other and that is because the one that was able to learn was given the chance due to that power being stable.  Are you saying that Pre-Shaman Nate Grey and Shaman Nate are not the same being?

you are confused. i stated shaman is more powerful and you said he wasn't. now read all the bold words above. no where did i imply they are not the same being.

you're mistaken to believe that Shaman Xman is more powerful than the same Xman that became him, the only difference is that one has stable powers and the other does not.  Now read the comics and know that Xman before being Shaman always had access to his full power but was programmed to self destruct at age 21

@LordOfAllHumans said: 

you're mistaken to believe that Shaman Xman is more powerful than the same Xman that became him, the only difference is that one has stable powers and the other does not.  Now read the comics and know that Xman before being Shaman always had access to his full power but was programmed to self destruct at age 21

okay, so going by your logic, regular x-man is on the same level as shaman x-man. good to know.

@tron_bonne: Obviously Dr. Doom is one of the smartest beings in Marvel, but that is neither here nor there. Your claim was that Doom is "The only Earth being capable of having an equal amount of comprehension of perception level to Thanos." You then said Thanos acknowledges it, and in the scan you provided it Thanos does not state Doom is his equal, merely one of the FEW (not the sole) Earthmen he bothers to keep tabs. Furthermore, since Richards at the very least is Doom's intellectual equal, he would obviously be capable of your statement if Doom in fact is.

It's also highly debatable that Doom gained Beyonder's nigh-omniscience, since he was able to be distracted enough to lose his powers, nor does it seem likely that the Beyonder was even close to being omniscient since he was able to lose his powers in the first place. Even if he did gain this, whether or not he is able to comprehend and furthermore whether he RETAINED it afterward is an entirely separate issue. I believe the retcon took care of this issue anyway.

All that said, while Doom is incredibly smart and possibly an intellectual equal to Thanos, that was not the original point of contention, merely that your scan does not state what you said it did.

bumpy

X-Man.

X-man...

Almost gained the IG? Think 'tried' is a better word.

Offensively speaking X man should be a much better telepath than Thanos.

Being able to get inside Thanos head however is more than just questionable.

Much agreed. Like the Despero thread, either of these two show better offensive tp skills than Thanos, but that still doesn't change the fact that getting into Thanos's head is still a no go.

@tron_bonne: how is it enough said he said no tech

Nate ftw

Nate

Nate wins this, he is more powerful than Thanos, and is it just me who is noticing that Thanos can be mind warped by him?

Xoxo~::/Gossip~Guy!!!!!!!..........❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️??

Any scans of Thanos getting close to mind wiped, let a lone being invaded telepathically?

Nate wins.

Stalemate or X-Man.

@lordraiden: any Scan of him being immune to mind warping???

Xoxo~::/Gossip~Guy!!!!!!!........???????

By feats stalemate or X man

By scaling & statements, Thanos

Nate

bump

@cosmic_reign: So could Thanos withstand Nates telepathic assault? could he down Nate?

Maybe

Maybe but not likely in a TP battle. Problem is Nate really doesn't have higher on panel feats, but I think Marvel has given us enough hints via bio, narratives, and statements that Nate was the most powerful telepath in any/all realities. IMO

@cosmic_reign: that’s what bugs me so much about his character there are plenty of statements about him fighting Galactus with Sentry, or being as powerful as the Dark Phoenix, or destroying a universe or like you said being the most powerful telepath in any reality etc... but like Morpheus told me, the only instance of Nate fighting a planet buster he lost, was powerless and literally ran away.

Which doesn’t add up ya know?

This

@supermanwithatan01: stryfe trapped a planetbuster with his powers

Yes....I agree!!

Perhaps this is Marvels way of preventing a character from being too ridiculously powerful even for their own stories. Although statements and narratives may not weigh as much as actual on panel feats, they must account for something....at very least a hint of POTENTIAL... I suppose ?

@cosmic_reign: maybe so, I just hate to see suh a presumably potent character wasted!

Does Thanos using his own power have any multiversal TP feats? I believe he is a league below Shaman X-man in this department.

@supermanwithatan01:

Likewise friend!!