No BFR or Time Manipulation Place: inhabited city , Last incarnations, Thanos and Doomsday can die
Round1-Morals on
Round2-Bloodlusted
Round3-2 Days of prep for both teams(Just Thanos and Dr.Doom can make plans for the teams)
Thanos, Raven,Deathstroke vs Dr.Doom, Doomsday, wolverine
@Supermanwithatan01 said:
I would like a scan showing Thanos is unkillable now. He was made the avatar of Death by Death, he isn't in her good graces anymore and he was trapped in the cancerverse. I have not see any reason to believe he's still unkillable.
So you make up your own stuffs and ask people for proof? Thats your idea of debate?
I would love to see anything that suggest Thanos is no longer the avatar of Death, his most recent appearence in X-force , in Pip dream still shows him as an avatar of death.
Stop pretending something is not valid when you have no proof to suggest so. Its still canon to Thanos, has never been retconned, might have change but we dont have a confirmation either way.
Death resurrected Thanos on more than one occassion and had given him key information in his story arcs. Cancerverse characters can't be killed. The only thing this proves is marvel finds it easier to upgrade a character they use far less often than Doctor Doom who they use obviously more frequently.
Another one of your fan fiction. Thanos has only resurrected Thanos once, in silver surfer ties in as prelude to Infinity Gauntlet story arc, and Death never gave thanos any key information, apart from there being imbalance between life and death. Thanos learns the information from Infinity Well, not death, stop making up stories.
Cancerverse character not being killable has no bearing as Thanos is not from cancerverse, has never been.
He isn't the avatar of Death anymore. Death banished him remember? He was just defeated by the Avengers not killed. There's no reason to believe his un-killable anymore.
Death banished him? I mean what have you been reading. Thanos asked Death to be killed, Death refused to take Thanos.
still looks like Avatar of Death to me.
H/P Did evolve past death, they had to send him to the end of time. Doomslayer could evolve on the fly. As I said earlier when I asked which version of Doomsday we're using. Either one would kill Thanos regardless of his manipulation powers. Doctor Psycho reprogrammed Doomsdays mind in Infinite Crises, completely separate versions of the character. If you read the comic, Doomsday was much, much weaker.
Another fabrication. If Hunter/ Prey has evolved past death how did the same version die in Hunter/ Prey then again in Our World At War.
Doctor Psycho reprogrammed Doomsday's mind in Our World At War and NOT Infinity Crisis, and no he wasnt weaker or a seperate character, show how much you about the character. Doomsday was programmed to see Superman in place of Imperix probes, you know the probes that never appeared during Infinity Crisis.
Christ on a candle stick, stop making things up and ask people to read comics.
Okay Doctor Doom did kill a watcher and the Marquis of death. The extent of his power was never seen because he just wanted the MOD to suffer. Its in the story maybe you should read it. I know that Clydes power was far greater than Dooms, but it's far greater than Thanos' as well. He's a high end reality warper...
Doctor Doom killed a watcher after a million months of prep. Not the most convincing argument if you ask me.
I have never said anything against him wanting MOD to suffer, but what i was point out was Dr. Doom apart from gloating has absolutely nothing to do with MOD's death, it was Reed Richard that destroyed MOD, all Dr. Doom did was last a final killing blow.
Clydes powers vs Thanos is inconsequential, because thats something you tried to pass off as Doom's feat when Doom did not do anything noteworthy.
Okay again I've already addressed this. I said from other dimensions. The IG is not weaker it just only works in its respective universe. You're ignoring what I wrote.
I am not ignoring what you wrote, IG from alternate reality, thus far have been shown weaker because they do not work on different universe to their own when 616 IG has worked twice in Ultraverse, which is not only a different universe, but a universe that lies outside Marvel multiverse. Furthermore, an alternate reality IG when weilded by Thanos got his armed cut off by wolverine, Impossible man with alternate IG was scared of Eternity, and alternate IG have nothing to show they operate more than a universal power while 616 does.
Not to mention its nothing to do with prep, Doom was send there by Valarie, he woke up and found dead bodies of alternate reality Reed, and IG lying there. He did not do anything to suggest it was a prep feat.
@Supermanwithatan01 said:
I would like a scan showing Thanos is unkillable now. He was made the avatar of Death by Death, he isn't in her good graces anymore and he was trapped in the cancerverse. I have not see any reason to believe he's still unkillable.So you make up your own stuffs and ask people for proof? Thats your idea of debate?
No, I am saying Thanos is clearly no where near Imperatives power level.
I would love to see anything that suggest Thanos is no longer the avatar of Death, his most recent appearence in X-force , in Pip dream still shows him as an avatar of death.
I didn't know that I stand corrected.
Stop pretending something is not valid when you have no proof to suggest so. Its still canon to Thanos, has never been retconned, might have change but we dont have a confirmation either way.
I'm not pretending to know either but I don't see Thanos nearly the way he was.
Death resurrected Thanos on more than one occassion and had given him key information in his story arcs. Cancerverse characters can't be killed. The only thing this proves is marvel finds it easier to upgrade a character they use far less often than Doctor Doom who they use obviously more frequently.Another one of your fan fiction. Thanos has only resurrected Thanos once, in silver surfer ties in as prelude to Infinity Gauntlet story arc, and Death never gave thanos any key information, apart from there being imbalance between life and death. Thanos learns the information from Infinity Well, not death, stop making up stories.
I mean helped* Thanos on more than one occasion. She resurrected him and showed him the Infinity well. No wonder he has the hots for her.
Cancerverse character not being killable has no bearing as Thanos is not from cancerverse, has never been.
Death wouldn't take him, I thought the ploy was to make him stay until the cancerverses end?
He isn't the avatar of Death anymore. Death banished him remember? He was just defeated by the Avengers not killed. There's no reason to believe his un-killable anymore.
Death banished him? I mean what have you been reading. Thanos asked Death to be killed, Death refused to take Thanos.
still looks like Avatar of Death to me.
Another fabrication. If Hunter/ Prey has evolved past death how did the same version die in Hunter/ Prey then again in Our World At War.H/P Did evolve past death, they had to send him to the end of time. Doomslayer could evolve on the fly. As I said earlier when I asked which version of Doomsday we're using. Either one would kill Thanos regardless of his manipulation powers. Doctor Psycho reprogrammed Doomsdays mind in Infinite Crises, completely separate versions of the character. If you read the comic, Doomsday was much, much weaker.
What? He wasn't killed he was sent to the end of time, Recovered later by Brainiac.
Doctor Psycho reprogrammed Doomsday's mind in Our World At War and NOT Infinity Crisis, and no he wasnt weaker or a seperate character, show how much you about the character. Doomsday was programmed to see Superman in place of Imperix probes, you know the probes that never appeared during Infinity Crisis.
During Infinite Crises Doomsday was freed from captivity in a cavern near the center of the Earth by Doctor Psycho and Warp. He was then mind-controlled by Doctor Psycho and used as the "spear-carrier". This is what I thought you were referring to. H/p Doomsday was >>> after he could think
Okay Doctor Doom did kill a watcher and the Marquis of death. The extent of his power was never seen because he just wanted the MOD to suffer. Its in the story maybe you should read it. I know that Clydes power was far greater than Dooms, but it's far greater than Thanos' as well. He's a high end reality warper...
Doctor Doom killed a watcher after a million months of prep. Not the most convincing argument if you ask me.
It's NOT, I repeat NOT, an example of prep. Thanos would have fared the same way so this point is moot. He achieved his goal. From a prep standpoint thats an A+ regardless of how lame they made it appear to be.
I have never said anything against him wanting MOD to suffer, but what i was point out was Dr. Doom apart from gloating has absolutely nothing to do with MOD's death, it was Reed Richard that destroyed MOD, all Dr. Doom did was last a final killing blow.
Reed didn't destroy the MOD, Clyde fought the Marquis (yes Clyde lol) until he was defeated. The Marquis was extremely weakened. THEN the Fantastic Four, channeling infinite power for like 24.3 seconds, fought him and defeated him. Thats when Doom showed up and killed him. He admits MOD power was far greater, I acknowledged that so Idk what this is about..
Clydes powers vs Thanos is inconsequential, because thats something you tried to pass off as Doom's feat when Doom did not do anything noteworthy.
It matters because Dooms hatred fueled him to overcome the MOD in the end. Survival and perseverance is the key. Thats the point not a prep feat but it is a Doom feat. Determination and Perseverance.
Okay again I've already addressed this. I said from other dimensions. The IG is not weaker it just only works in its respective universe. You're ignoring what I wrote.I am not ignoring what you wrote, IG from alternate reality, thus far have been shown weaker because they do not work on different universe to their own when 616 IG has worked twice in Ultraverse, which is not only a different universe, but a universe that lies outside Marvel multiverse. Furthermore, an alternate reality IG when weilded by Thanos got his armed cut off by wolverine, Impossible man with alternate IG was scared of Eternity, and alternate IG have nothing to show they operate more than a universal power while 616 does.
ok.
And Thanos was given the HOTU. That he was preordained to have by being guided to the power. He had a road map to the infinity gems and achieved his goal. Badass, good for him but it doesnt top the Beyonder feat. Doom and Thanos have both had CC. The only difference is their perspective and ambitions. Thanos wants universal power for a broad, and Doom wants all to bow before him on earth. He doesn't seem to really care about Universal power. Though he did become godlike in Avengers Childrens Crusade. Thats more of a magical/usurping feat rather than a prep feat. Again, imo alone.
Not to mention its nothing to do with prep, Doom was send there by Valarie, he woke up and found dead bodies of alternate reality Reed, and IG lying there. He did not do anything to suggest it was a prep feat.
@Supermanwithatan01 said:
No, I am saying Thanos is clearly no where near Imperatives power level.
I didn't know that I stand corrected.
I'm not pretending to know either but I don't see Thanos nearly the way he was.
We dont know what power level he current is. That is likely true he isnt in the power level, but you are saying as if there is something things that happened like Avatar of Death status is not longer valid.
Which could very well be the case, we just dont have confirmation yet, so i am going with what is canon and what should be true, despite Bendis doing whatever he likes.
I mean helped* Thanos on more than one occasion. She resurrected him and showed him the Infinity well. No wonder he has the hots for her.
Death never showed Thanos the infinity well, it was done on his own accord, and unless its now recton Thanos should still have access to Infinity Well.
What? He wasn't killed he was sent to the end of time, Recovered later by Brainiac.
He was killed during H/P as good as dead it gets.
Zero Hour is what compelled everything to have a second time, and Braniac recovers him before he is killed.
During Infinite Crises Doomsday was freed from captivity in a cavern near the center of the Earth by Doctor Psycho and Warp. He was then mind-controlled by Doctor Psycho and used as the "spear-carrier". This is what I thought you were referring to. H/p Doomsday was >>> after he could think
I have little to no clue what you are talking about.
During Our World at War, before Infinity Crisis where its the same doomsday as H/P Dr. Pyscho mindcontrolled Doomsday so he would see Superman instead of Imperix probe, thats was the reason Doomday fought alonside Superman and got killed by Imperix.
Doomsday isnt a good guy to go around fighting Imperix for no reason.
It's NOT, I repeat NOT, an example of prep. Thanos would have fared the same way so this point is moot. He achieved his goal. From a prep standpoint thats an A+ regardless of how lame they made it appear to be.
Why did you bring up to begin with?
Its not a prep feat, and all he did was let Reed Richard do what he wants, it has nothing to do with prep capabilities.
Reed didn't destroy the MOD, Clyde fought the Marquis (yes Clyde lol) until he was defeated. The Marquis was extremely weakened. THEN the Fantastic Four, channeling infinite power for like 24.3 seconds, fought him and defeated him. Thats when Doom showed up and killed him. He admits MOD power was far greater, I acknowledged that so Idk what this is about..
I know i have read the story.
Clyde was brought there by Fantastic Four, Thing in particular. Doesnt change what i said, Doom didnt do jack there.
It matters because Dooms hatred fueled him to overcome the MOD in the end. Survival and perseverance is the key. Thats the point not a prep feat but it is a Doom feat. Determination and Perseverance.
It still doesnt matter as he achieved nothing. Allowing your mortal enemy to kill your enemy is by no means a prep feat.
It shows he was will to survive, which is good and dandy, but moot .
And Thanos was given the HOTU. That he was preordained to have by being guided to the power. He had a road map to the infinity gems and achieved his goal. Badass, good for him but it doesnt top the Beyonder feat. Doom and Thanos have both had CC. The only difference is their perspective and ambitions. Thanos wants universal power for a broad, and Doom wants all to bow before him on earth. He doesn't seem to really care about Universal power. Though he did become godlike in Avengers Childrens Crusade. Thats more of a magical/usurping feat rather than a prep feat. Again, imo alone.
So?
Thanos wasnt given the cosmic cube, Thanos wasnt given the infinity gauntlet either.
The road map is what thanos obtained himself, Death never showed him anything.
Doom with CC conquered Asgard and beat Galactus, Thanos with CC replace eternity, his feats are still grand.
Given extra resources Thanos has at his disposal and better power level i see no reason to believe Doom would beat him in this encounter.
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