Team Arrow vs Captain America/Bucky Barnes team

@hail_hydra: Hawkeye has made shots that Ollie and Merlyn NEVER could. For reference, CW Flash has an average run speed of just over 700 MPH. This is displayed via a cop with a radar gun, and when he was running around the city. Now, he actually has scenes where he runs significantly SLOWER then that. Those in fact make up the vast majority of his combat. Racing an arrow ollie fires puts him at adound 40-50 mph in combat. His absolute top speed was mach 2 which he hit when he traveled throguh time...THAT was explicitly stated during the last flarrow crossover.

Now, chitauri chariots were flying between 600-700 mph in the open and maybe half that in combat maneuvers. So to note...Hakeye hit something moving as fast as the Flash typically runs in travel, from around 100 meters away...without looking.

You really want to play the "skilled" shot card?

Because Ollie needed prep to make shot that Barton made casually well he was guiding units in combat.

Also...Dodging arrows? Are you high? They are literally ALREADY moving at the time every arrow is fired...don't equate movement doing it's job with tracking dodging. It isn't. By that mentality the cowboys at the ok corral were bullet timers. But I digress.

They were what...50 yards apart at minimum? Meaning those arrows would have taken around a 1/4 second to reach them. For comparison, a punch would take about .05 seconds to reach. So basically...slipping a punch is harder then making arrows miss over that distance when you are already on the move.

League ninjas are horrible fodder...Laurel takes them out. Are we supposed to be impressed?

Did you miss the part where ollie had to be saved from those argus agents. Every single person on the marvel team eats hydra and shield agents for breakfast. Armed or not. And from a strictly tactical and weapons handling sense, shield and hydra agents are heads and shoulders above anything on arrow. Everthing from their stance and posture to the formations used are from a real world sense, observably more advanced. It is literally like comparing a Marine to a jihadist, or Seal to an air force tech in terms of combat abilities.

@paytience:

yet you can't name them. Surprised.

Patience I have no patience for your low balling. Right off the back you're claiming a speed of an arrow is 40 mph when sisqo clearly states they're traveling at 200mph. His top speed was mach 47 which I've already shown and you know this. It was also stated jay is light speed but slower than barry. It's also stated by wells barry is capable of limitless speed. And then we have barry outrunning lightning and dodging light. All of which you know. All of which has been shown to you. Yet you persist only with STATEMENTS that don't match feats. You clearly are biased and I'm 100 percent sure this will be needed to be said to you again.

Flying based on your calculations? Meaning basically useless made up numbers as far as im concerned. All to wank a man with no feats outside of shooting aliens with no feats.

The rest of your post as usual lowballing that almost isn't worth addressing. Laruel trained by nyssa and arrow but some how sucks and use her feats to lowball the people she's beaten. Then you'll ramble about getting cut by a thug as if you have no concept of time or progressing or context. You'll then spend the rest of your replies tellibg me everyone arrow has ever fought sucks and post not a single feat for Hawkeye. The video evidence is wrong you're right. Laurel sucks league fodder chitari gods despite being featless.

Your routine is old. Get a new song and dance.

@hail_hydra: I just gave you a feat.

I am only accepting statements? "Sisqo clearly stated..." You literally just said that the line before you try and contradict my use of a statement. Are you SERIOUS right now? Here is the difference...my statement cam directly from the scientist who spends her time building and monitoring the machines that measures his speed, and she was answering a question asked her directly well she was monitoring his speed.

DEAL WITH IT BRO.

It isn't lowballing at all. In fact, ALL I have ever done is state EXACTLY whaat happens in a video. The fact that you consider a direct description of events a lowball says all you need to know.

Nyssa and Oliver are bloody horrible martial artists and I stand my cav challenge to anyone who wants to match up video breakdowns right now.

Funny how I am getting accused of all the things that you just did post.

@paytience: Lol what feat did you give? One whole feat? Of hawkeye shot an alien whom you claim is faster than flash which is a lie.

The rest of your post again is barely worth addressing. Besides the obvious fact that everyone on this subforum knows feats matter over statements, their are two statements from actual speedsters which again contradict said statement. Which you know and choose to ignore. So you ignore feats and statements that dont suit your argument. That sounds like lowballing to me. All you do is lowball. And it's blatant even. Almost trolling really. You're never going to Stop tagging me and all you're going to do is repeat the same stuff you've said three thousand times before. I couldn't care less about your opinion of Oliver or nyssa at this point. You've made it perfectly clear in every arrow thread you enter everyone in that verse sucks at everything.

patience like randomsid you're now perma blocked. I'm done acknowledging your existence on this forum. Have a nice board life.

@hail_hydra: dont bother man. Its not worth arguing with him.

Cap and Bucky do work

Wow... ok... I give up

@hail_hydra It's not worth arguing with him, he will always take any AoS charcater over any Arrow character. Low balling Arrow is just what he does.

Although I have to say I do agree with some of your arguments @paytience. But you are taking it a "bit" too far saying Oliver can't fight...

Hawkeye and oliver go into a MASSIVE d*ck measuring competition

Slade and Steve go blow for blow until cap takes out the shield and pashes his head in the ground

Bucky goes 1 by 1 snapping necks

@hail_hydra: Cap has also taken several shots, cap understood the danger of fighting someone who he has no idea of there marksman ship without his shield.

He decided to duck down.

Cap also took blows from ultron, shots from deadly lasers, countered quicksilver, and held up a car and as of now we know he is at LEAST strong enough to pull in a small helicopter making MCU cap at LEAST a 10 tonner.

Deathstroke takes cap due to lack of fear for death and bucky takes the rest.

They don't really even need anyone else hawkeye and bobbi just make this overkill

@thesuperor: I never said they couldn't fight...I said they are horrible martial artists. Especially in comparison to cap. The more "skilled" argument simply doesn't hold water against any technical comparison of them, and I am more then willing to back that up if someone is willing to put the same amount of honest effort into it.

I said so before. In fact, since I KNOW RBT and hydra are not gonna do anything of the sort. How about you and I do it? You have a fair knowledge at least of both shows and we can probably be more reasonable with eachother then with others.

At least I know that you and I haven't devolved into pissibg matches before.

@paytience: Sure, I'll be up for it sometime. I have a lot of work just now, but I could message you when I have got some time off. You thinking comparing fighter v fighter (Ward v Oliver for example) or a more general discussion as MCU fighters v Arrow fighters?

@ultifan123: i swear you mcu fans

Caps been shot and dropped. There's nothing to discuss

Stop talking about movie scenes from a movie thats not out yet. Your calculations aren't even worth addressing.

So in your mind steve rogers can tank laser blasts and punches from ultron and that armor he was wearing had nothing to do with it of course.

Mirk users picked up and three cars and punched through steel and ate bullets. Still killed by Malcolm and Oliver.

Yeah overkill whatever

@thesuperor: Don't let patience bate you into wasting your time. He's good at that. Any cav will just be him not posting feats and spending thr entire debate lowballing.

As for everything else.

Who did it better

Building leap

Hawkeye

https://youtu.be/HsD7PB424jg

Arrow

https://youtu.be/zgaM7UPRKkc

Speedsters

Hawkeye

https://youtu.be/1zQAynJUBG8

Arrow

https://youtu.be/0ZOUjVz-hbo

Female assassins

Hawkeye

https://youtu.be/CEyE0rQAdfs

Arrow

https://youtu.be/Ho81b_hbAKM

Nyssa >> natasha

Natasha

https://youtu.be/nJn1LjLaNVQ

Nyssa

https://youtu.be/L7mAHm_Qyrs

https://youtu.be/IKLJ_w79bT4

https://youtu.be/VRUirfKE7Lo

"I've been a most excellent trainer"

https://youtu.be/533Ge1pwbUg

Crossbone tags Steve so many time I stopped counting. Had that been a knife instead of a cattleprod he would be dead

https://youtu.be/jqIBGEcKhGs

Oliver and Thea have been trained in sword fighting by Malcolm Merlin.

https://youtu.be/Q6efyaMWUyA

https://youtu.be/-nKnr2DwaqM

https://youtu.be/5UuqtUzhzoI

Arrow was trained in hand to hand and knife fighting by deathstroke

https://youtu.be/a2-ZXPnmVF0

Shado vs slade

https://youtu.be/lX8MxhJI2aU

Shado and deathstroke

https://youtu.be/JqtscKSht0g

Another prep feat

https://youtu.be/FwcyY5sliaw

Vandal savage. 4000 years old

Guided Julius Caesar through the Gallic Wars. Served as Genghis Khan's most trusted adviser. And taught Robinhood archery. Dodges bullets. Deflects bullets. Catches arrows. And can throw knives faster than arrows can travel. Nevermind the magic.

Disarmed by an emotionally distraught arrow.

https://youtu.be/41UHWbB1-m8

https://youtu.be/Tm6igXNzKfI

https://youtu.be/oenLVliNvJ8

Arrow solos these bums

@thesuperor: Well first we start with an actual breakdown of specific fighters, then move on to genereal...It is a pretty long process. We br3ak down each video and compare tecniques, execution, effect, etc. Just like a real fight.

@hail_hydra: There you go with the wank again. The ONLY arrow fighter to beqt a mirk without the cure or a plot device was Merlyn and he almost died in the attempt. At no time was he even close having the advantagw in that fight. He literally saved himself in a desperate survival attempt. And even then he only made it away because someone was here to carry him out. He was on the ground unconcious.

So stop trying to make it seem as if ANY arrow fighter at any time has taken an advantage against mirk users. They haven't.

No matter how much you insist that me stating that is a low ball it isn't. No matter how much you WANT it to be isn't. It is a fa8r and honest observation of EXACTLY what happened, and the fact that you keep trying to make it out be something else only serves to hl your wank. Simple.

Unless of course have an actual feat that doesn't include a cure or other plot device, the argument is pretty much irrelevant to the debate.

Cap got this.

@panda_emperorix: No he doesn't