@don_quixote: during the witch and the warrior and also in sacrifice.
Scans?
@don_quixote: during the witch and the warrior and also in sacrifice.
Scans?
In one of those fights Superman though Wonder Woman was Doomsday. It doesn't count.
@don_quixote: it counts because he was going all out against her.
Superman was brainwashed. He didn't expect a damn tiara thrown at him. He though she was Doomsday. He would have been to fast for that.
@don_quixote: it counts because he was going all out against her.
Superman was brainwashed. He didn't expect a damn tiara thrown at him. He though she was Doomsday. He would have been to fast for that.
he was attacking him at full power,and doomsday has range attacks he has used against superman,so he saw something else coming at him,and he has enchanted senses and max was helping him and guiding him in the fight.
By your logic,Batman is perfectly capable of effortesly stomping Lady Shiva in a h2h fight. He did while she was brainwashed by Gorilla Grodd.
Your arguement is invalid.
@don_quixote: bad logic,lady shiva has defeated batman more than once,and if batman at a certain point had the feats to suggest he is better than shiva and then stomped her while being brainwashed,yes that would be valid,Wonder Woman was taking superman's strongest attacks,and maxwell lord guied him the whole fight,he was doing his best to kill her,she was able to take his worst,if she was so much below his level she wouldn't survive an assault from him like she was able to do.
Lady Shiva has NEVER defeated Batman in pure h2h. I dare you to back up your claim with scans. I am sure you will never find them because they didn't ever existed. They have fought three times. Batman stalemated her in their first fight, and then Jason Todd came and sucker punched her from behind. Second fight Shiva was brainwashed and Batman beat her after some fight. Third fight was in new 52, Shiva won via cheap tactics. She poisoned him with a shuriken and then beat the crap out of him and Robin.
None of the fights suggest that either one is better than the other.
Claiming a brainwashed Superman getting stomped by Wonder Woman is a valid feat makes you no less than a fanboy. Ignoring Superman speed feats, he has outran/dodged bullets and tagged Flash, you are standing here saying he wouldn't be too fast for a tiara thrown at him..... It's laughable.Going all out doesn't mean you are at your best.Superman was angry and his judgement was clouded. Seriously quit fanboyism or don't quote me again....
@agent41: No doubt she can give him a good fight. But I do not consider them to be equals I still find him to be superior in combat to her. Not saying she has no chance but the odds are definitely in Superman's favor in my opinion.
@don_quixote: superman reacted to speeding bullets,that is WW's signature feat(and she can throw that tiara way faaster than speeding bullet because of her strength),superman reacted to flash,so did WW but they wouldn't react to his top speed.
i never claimed anything i said that WW proved to be powerful enough to react to a superman going all out and take his strongest attacks,which proves she has enough power to take his worst,superman has overall more power but she proves to have enough power to give him a run for his money,add that to her superior skills and magic weapons that superman is vulnerable against and you have the reason why she has a good chance to beat him,that is my point.
Well it pretty much depends on how Superman will take the fight.
If he is serious and really wants to hurt her bad, he would win after a good fight.
If this is Jobberman who holds back most of fights, she should be able to stomp him.
What if Wonder Woman gets kryptonite from Bruce??? Wouldn't that be a stomp? Without the kryptonite, it is Supes for the win.
My argument still stands, stalemate or Wonder Woman. More advantages FTW:
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Both have what it takes to win and it could end up being an endless battle, but Wonder Woman has more ways and a better chance due to having more advantages, being a better fighter and magic stuff that can kill Superman.
@don_quixote: superman reacted to speeding bullets,that is WW's signature feat(and she can throw that tiara way faaster than speeding bullet because of her strength),superman reacted to flash,so did WW but they wouldn't react to his top speed.
i never claimed anything i said that WW proved to be powerful enough to react to a superman going all out and take his strongest attacks,which proves she has enough power to take his worst,superman has overall more power but she proves to have enough power to give him a run for his money,add that to her superior skills and magic weapons that superman is vulnerable against and you have the reason why she has a good chance to beat him,that is my point.
Well it pretty much depends on how Superman will take the fight.
If he is serious and really wants to hurt her bad, he would win after a good fight.
If this is Jobberman who holds back most of fights, she should be able to stomp him.
like most people said here already,if he is serious and wants to hurt her really bad,they gave him a majority of 6/10,which i can agree with,what is wrong is saying that if he is serious he would win everytime,that is not true because she has enough power,skills and tools to have a chance to win.
I change my opinion.
Wonder Woman could beat Superman but I see him take the clear majority. Like 6-6.5/10.
Superman stomps. Other than the time he was brainwashed by that little punk, Maxwell or whatever...
Does this cover it? Superman stomps.
@dianaxkal: You.... You might be right for once....
Tie. Ends in sex.
you'd think they be more decent and marry first. jk lol
Tie. Ends in sex.
you'd think they be more decent and marry first. jk lol
Oh, they will get married, too! Their urges and emotions are too powerful to wait :)
@fablecounty: lol you must be joking . Supes murders her
Problem is in the main comics Superman is a limitless being, Wonder Woman, Shazam, Aquaman all of them, even thought strong as they are, have limited strength, to the point their biggest lifting feats is always in the hundreds or thousands, and no is not just they, Supergirl, Superboy, Zod, Faora, etc. They are all weaker than him, the only reason they are even capable of landing a hit on them is because of Superman being a good guy, not really wanting to fight, always tries to calc them down. The only real reson any of them have to keep up with Superman is their skills, magic, etc. Now, characters like Batman are just the contrary of Superman, they are good, they are strong but they are walking PIS, why? Because he is the God Damn Batman, that's why.
Is the same problem with Hulk in the Marvel universe, Hulk having limitless strength, guys like Thor, Iron Man, etc, etc, etc, aren't actually capable of defeat him. Other beings on Herald lv like Silver Surfer, are capable of contain with the Hulk because thanks to their cosmic powers, their maximum potential is limitless, Sentry is the same, only limited by his own mind and currently he has become the true Sentry, and what happened when he and Thor clashed?
Wonder Woman is much like Thor, Superman is DC's Poster Boy. He isn't mean to lose to other heroes, he isn't mean to be out shinned by anyone else, except maybe Batman, but is not something that happens in the principal continuity. Is the same in Marvel, guys like Hulk are mean to be invincible, they aren't mean to lose.
Problem is in the main comics Superman is a limitless being, Wonder Woman, Shazam, Aquaman all of them, even thought strong as they are, have limited strength, to the point their biggest lifting feats is always in the hundreds or thousands, and no is not just they, Supergirl, Superboy, Zod, Faora, etc. They are all weaker than him, the only reason they are even capable of landing a hit on them is because of Superman being a good guy, not really wanting to fight, always tries to calc them down. The only real reson any of them have to keep up with Superman is their skills, magic, etc.
No, he's not. His solar charge has a limit along with his powers. The closest JLA character to being limitless is the Flash.
Problem is in the main comics Superman is a limitless being, Wonder Woman, Shazam, Aquaman all of them, even thought strong as they are, have limited strength, to the point their biggest lifting feats is always in the hundreds or thousands, and no is not just they, Supergirl, Superboy, Zod, Faora, etc. They are all weaker than him, the only reason they are even capable of landing a hit on them is because of Superman being a good guy, not really wanting to fight, always tries to calc them down. The only real reson any of them have to keep up with Superman is their skills, magic, etc.
No, he's not. His solar charge has a limit along with his powers. The closest JLA character to being limitless is the Flash.
Flash has Hax, if we include that then a lot of guys are limitless, Superman physically is the strongest heroes in DC, on their main continuity even without sun light, he still has enough strength to lift the earth's mass. And just dropping a small sweat. Superman is the strongest hero, Flash is like Silver Surfer, unlimited potential but not really invincible. Or not written as being one. Wonder Woman is like Thor, incredible strength but limited to a point, difference is Wonder Woman is a thousands while Thor is in the planetary scale.
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She literally has no feats that put her on his level. A bloodlusted superman literally one shot her from the sun to earth and she barely woke up because of the heat of reentry.
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She literally has no feats that put her on his level. A bloodlusted superman literally one shot her from the sun to earth and she barely woke up because of the heat of reentry.
OH.um yeah ...I did NOT know that. FINE!. Superman should win he one shot her to the sun right??? Yeah he wins.
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