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#1 Posted by homicidalmaniac (10665 posts) - - Show Bio

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Round 1.New 52 DC Superman and Shazam(Captain Marvel).Mortals on.No prep.KO only.

Round 2.Pre New DC Superman and Shazam(Captain Marvel).Mortals on.15 minutes of prep.BFR or KO only.

The fight take place here

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#2 Edited by Nefarious (31962 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1.

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#3 Edited by Guardiandevil83 (8505 posts) - - Show Bio

Going with team 2. Only because they are a bit more ruthless and are not so far beneath Clark or Billy in raw strength. Speed may be debatable as we'll. Hyperion has proven to be very easily angered. And King is a maniac. I can see him gouging eyes, or tearing at the groins of either. Hyperion survived the destruction of two worlds, and as I said is a Bit more vicious. He also seemed to enjoy that fight with Hulk, so he might be slightly masochistic.

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#4 Posted by homicidalmaniac (10665 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

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#5 Posted by dondave (40884 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1

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#6 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17185 posts) - - Show Bio

Either from team 2 are stronger than fighters from team 1.

Hyperion-712 is stronger than Superman and Cap and even with help of another Hyperion he couldn't beat King Hyperion.

King's healling factor will also be too much for them + he don't hold back from the start of battle, so yes: he has great chance to solo.

Hyperion-13304 is also stronger than them, so it is actually a stomp in team 2 favor.

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#7 Posted by Blacharrt1 (760 posts) - - Show Bio

Either from team 2 are stronger than fighters from team 1.

Hyperion-712 is stronger than Superman and Cap and even with help of another Hyperion he couldn't beat King Hyperion.

King's healling factor will also be too much for them + he don't hold back from the start of battle, so yes: he has great chance to solo.

Hyperion-13304 is also stronger than them, so it is actually a stomp in team 2 favor.

This

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#8 Posted by David_Miller (183 posts) - - Show Bio

team 2

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#9 Posted by reaverlation (20324 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1

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#10 Edited by XLR87T3 (4854 posts) - - Show Bio

Hyperion has armor around his waist, so Superman will have to go for the face. And King Hyperion is too strong. Team 2 wins soundly.

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#11 Posted by DeathUponAll (153 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman has survived a supernova.

This is his 3rd best durability feat.

Superman isn't going down in the fight. He solos. Unless Hyperion or King Hyperion have shown supernova+ levelled strength? Lol.

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#12 Posted by BRAX (1914 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1

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#13 Posted by uugieboogie (8521 posts) - - Show Bio

@xlr87t3 said:

Hyperion has armor around his waist, so Superman will have to go for the face. And King Hyperion is too strong. Team 2 wins soundly.

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#14 Edited by Night4345 (8450 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman solos.

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#15 Posted by TrionAce (1585 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathuponall: Hyperion survived the collision and destruction of two universes. He held them apart for a period of time.

He has also slowed down a rogue planet moving 500,000 mph so take it as you will

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#16 Posted by dondave (40884 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1

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#17 Posted by MysticMedivh (27240 posts) - - Show Bio
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#18 Posted by TheKing47 (1346 posts) - - Show Bio

@deathuponall:

Destruction of Universes >>>>>>>>>>> Supernova

Hyperions win.

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#19 Posted by DeathUponAll (153 posts) - - Show Bio

@theking47: Well that's something I didn't know about.

GG

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#20 Edited by Kingant27 (14518 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2 wins for sure; King Hyperion taking on 2 Hyperion is enough to show that he could handle one of these for sure, and adding Hyperion is in there favour.

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#21 Posted by eternityx (3000 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Hyperion

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#22 Edited by Hulkman123 (1936 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2

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#23 Edited by BRAX (1914 posts) - - Show Bio

Hold up: did Blue Marvel defeat King Hyperion?

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#25 Edited by Namor_Curry (1729 posts) - - Show Bio

I want to say Superman will pull an upset, basically because he's Superman. Realistically this fight could go either way though.

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#26 Posted by New_World_Order (13893 posts) - - Show Bio

@brax Yeah Blue Marvel did defeat King Hyperion, but he is still underrated in these battle fourms.

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#27 Posted by Noone301994 (22173 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2

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#28 Posted by Apocalypse3 (2641 posts) - - Show Bio
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#29 Edited by BRAX (1914 posts) - - Show Bio

See I asked that question because I know if Blue Marvel beat him than either Superman or Shazam would thump him pretty well..

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#31 Posted by Kingant27 (14518 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: No, read @czarny_samael666 comment.

712 Hyperion is stronger than either just, but King Hyperion was strong enough to overpower 712 Hyperion and another.

13304 Hyperion is also stronger than either.

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#32 Posted by lvenger (28163 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: No, read @czarny_samael666 comment.

712 Hyperion is stronger than either just, but King Hyperion was strong enough to overpower 712 Hyperion and another.

13304 Hyperion is also stronger than either.

I read Czarny's comment and he talks even more incorrect knowledge and cites poorer context than you do. If you actually think his opinion is worthwhile, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about as well. Which isn't the first time you've done this I might add. Neither of the Hyperions have better consistent and replicated feats than New 52 Superman, let alone the vastly more powerful Pre New 52 Superman. Besides I debunked your out of context King Hyperion scans too so good luck trying to make them credible.

Moreover, New 52 Superman's planetary strength feats have been replicated more consistently than Hyperion's strength feats. 3 planetary showings>2 planetary showings and the latest one is better than either of Hyperion's. And Pre New 52 Superman hits way harder than Hyperion does. It's more impressive to destroy a moon than it is to lift a planet in terms of combat purposes. And to round off your argument's failings, 13304 Hyperion doesn't have the durability to stand up to either Superman's punches. Hulk drew blood in one blow and both Supermen have comparable, if not equal striking power to Hulk. Corvus Glaive almost killed Hyperion before Captain America intervened and gave Hyperion the chance to retaliate and Thor's lightning caused Hyperion to yell out in pain as well. Unless you want to use the logic that all those attacks were equal to planetary/universal force, I think we can agree Hyperion can be hurt by less and thus doesn't have enough impressive feats to combat either version of Superman.

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#33 Posted by Kingant27 (14518 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: No need to be disrespectful to another user and me, because someone says Superman loses, lol.

Did you see what 13304 Hyperion survived, yeah your argument is failing not mine, lol; that is what he is capable of surviving.

Why mention that it takes lower force to draw blood from Hyperion, but you bring up Superman's best striking feat; but forget he has been damaged by worse etc.

You do realise it's not 13304 Hyperion vs Superman and Shazam, so I don't know why you are forgetting to mention him.

712 Hyperion's feat of stalemating Gladiator, and Gladiator admitting they are physical equal in every way, who had planet busting feats is enough to show that King Hyperion who was overpowering 712 Hyperion and another Hyperion would beat Superman.

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#34 Edited by highaccuser (24609 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman solos both rounds.

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#35 Posted by Kingant27 (14518 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: He really doesn't, have you ever read a comic or seen a scan of Hyperion; or are you lowballing?

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#36 Posted by highaccuser (24609 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: He really doesn't, have you ever read a comic or seen a scan of Hyperion; or are you lowballing?

I have. He doesn't have a single feat to justify handling Superman.

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#37 Edited by Kingant27 (14518 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: Did you bother looking at the above, and how does catching a planet at 500,000 mph not compare; or holding 2 planets apart from colliding and surviving a universe attack: not show he can handle Superman strength wise.

And as they are morals on, the Hyperion's being more ruthless will already have an advantage against Superman's hold back type ways.

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#38 Posted by highaccuser (24609 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingant27:

@highaccuser: Did you bother looking at the above, and how does catching a planet at 500,000 mph not compare; or holding 2 planets apart from colliding and surviving a universe attack: not show he can handle Superman strength wise.

Those first two feats are pure physical strength and not striking power which actually matters. Those are still worse than New 52 Supermans feats.

He didn't survive a "universe attack" with his durability. Understand, when incursions destroy universes they don't cause them to blow up they just sort of...disintigrate or something. He survived by luck or chance, not durability.

And as they are morals on, the Hyperion's being more ruthless will already have an advantage against Superman's hold back type ways.

Doesn't matter. Even Morals on Superman has a physical advantage over them both and a massive speed advantage.

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#39 Edited by Kingant27 (14518 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: They are not worse, and I suggest you check the New-52 Superman vs Hyperion thread; because catching a planet is much harder than anything New-52 Superman has done, as is surviving a universe attack, and if you fail to see that, then there is no point debating with you.

It does matter, because it means they will be going for the kill, the Supermen won't; and he doesn't have a physical advantage^.

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#40 Posted by highaccuser (24609 posts) - - Show Bio

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@highaccuser: They are not worse, and I suggest you check the New-52 Superman vs Hyperion thread; because catching a planet is much harder than anything New-52 Superman has done, as is surviving a universe attack, and if you fail to see that, then there is no point debating with you.

No it's not. We don't know the size of the planet while Superman has moved Uranus sized objects with help, which is hellishly more impressive.

So you're completely ignoring legit points about how surviving incursions work? He survived the destruction of his universe but he did not survive a universal explosion.

It does matter, because it means they will be going for the kill, the Supermen won't; and he doesn't have a physical advantage^.

That's a neglegable advantage in the scheme of things. Bizzaro and Mongul both have more brutality than Superman and he's beaten them at the same time before(and those two are stronger than these Hyperions as well). Again, that's only physical strength. Call me when they're one-shotting moons or shaking planets with punches. Or when they're tanking hits that send them to the moon or through earth.

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#41 Posted by Kingant27 (14518 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: He moved it with help; and just because it was the same size, it doesn't mean it would weigh the same as a planet of that scale.

A planet moving at 500,000 mph would be harder; the weight of the planet x by the speed; yeah that is harder.

He survived the destruction of the universe, which is way more impressive than anything New-52 Superman has survived to date.

Hyperion's strength and durability outclasses Superman as of now.

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#42 Posted by highaccuser (24609 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingant27:

@highaccuser: He moved it with help; and just because it was the same size, it doesn't mean it would weigh the same as a planet of that scale.

Doesn't matter. Still more impressive.

A planet moving at 500,000 mph would be harder; the weight of the planet x by the speed; yeah that is harder.

If there was any indication the planet wasn't puny in size it isn't by any means.

He survived the destruction of the universe, which is way more impressive than anything New-52 Superman has survived to date.

Not. A. Durability. Feat.

Hyperion's strength and durability outclasses Superman as of now.

Other way around.

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#43 Posted by Kingant27 (14518 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: It isn't more impressive, and you cant prove; and you know not even backing up your answer, and being childish.

He caught a planet moving at 500,000 mph; and it wasn't puny size, and it shows you haven't seen the scan, and are trying your best to lowball Hyperion, in an attempt to make Superman seem superior and your invalid argument sound more applause able.

It is a durability feat, which was why he was left there alive and luckily pulled into the current universe in which he is in Marvel now.

I have proved you wrong, you are clearly showing a sign of fanb*yi*sm, and are not backing up your claims or are even attempting to other than saying he is superior; which has been proved wrong.

Try and prove his superiority strength wise, because Hyperion clearly matches him; and very slightly surpasses him as of now.

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#44 Posted by reaverlation (20324 posts) - - Show Bio

I've been in this situation numerous times...

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#45 Posted by Juke (855 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2 only because Hyperion is nasty. Also, that Superman mullet.. ugh.

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#46 Posted by Kingant27 (14518 posts) - - Show Bio
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#47 Edited by highaccuser (24609 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingant27:

@highaccuser: It isn't more impressive, and you cant prove; and you know not even backing up your answer, and being childish.

Can you prove otherwise? I'm not a science expert, if you can prove which is more impressive go ahead.

He caught a planet moving at 500,000 mph; and it wasn't puny size, and it shows you haven't seen the scan, and are trying your best to lowball Hyperion, in an attempt to make Superman seem superior and your invalid argument sound more applause able.

I've seen it. There wasn't any indication how large it is.

I'm not trying to lowball, I'm pointing out that as of right now Hyperion is nowhere near as powerful as Superman.

It is a durability feat, which was why he was left there alive and luckily pulled into the current universe in which he is in Marvel now.

I've already told you, his universe didn't blow up. It just ceased to exist. He didn't tank anything because there was nothing to tank, he survived completely at random as far as anyone can tell.

I have proved you wrong, you are clearly showing a sign of fanb*yi*sm, and are not backing up your claims or are even attempting to other than saying he is superior; which has been proved wrong.

I'm not even a Superman fan by any means.

Try and prove his superiority strength wise, because Hyperion clearly matches him; and very slightly surpasses him as of now.

Sure. How about striking power? I'll just be lazy and Copy a post Lvenger made for this one.

To begin, here is Superman's moon cracking feat during Our Worlds at War. The Black Racer comes to take Steel away and Superman attacks The Black Racer to try and stop him. The results of Superman's punch are very obvious indeed.

And just to discount any notion of The Black Racer causing that, he himself clearly notes that "Your inability to accept these truths has forever scarred the face of this satellite." This means that the massive crack covering over half of the face of the moon is all down to Superman's punch. Sure, Goku's punches have tore apart the wastelands and rocky canyons that most DBZ fights take place in but no mere strike of any DBZ character has made as much damage as this feat. What's more, it's very possible that Superman could have hit harder. How is this possible?

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Granted, he had a run up here but this is the kind of striking power Superman is packing. Enough force to obliterate an object that had the exact same mass as the moon (81 billion tons) and was moving at 7,614,000 kmph. I would like to see some reliable striking feat of Goku's beat that.

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Further confirmation of Superman's moon busting power can be found in this feat. To set the full context, this comes from a Superman storyline where someone had impersonated Lois, instigated an argument with Superman thus setting tensions between Lois and Clark and had left him too. So Superman goes to the moon to take his frustration out on the celestial object. By the end of the issue, Martian Manhunter pops out to check on Superman and tell him that he still could have knocked the moon out of orbit with 15 more minutes of hitting. But here's what makes this feat the most impressive. Superman was infected with kryptonite poisoning at the time of this feat. I can prove this to you with scans and reviews with detailed synopses if you want but for now, take my word. Superman was poisoned hence his puffing when his stamina is near limitless thanks to constant solar replenishment meaning he doesn't need to eat or sleep. He was ill and his powers were ebbing. Yet he could still muster enough striking power to seriously jeopardise the orbit of the moon over time. And if you don't believe only the writer's word, Martian Manhunter has a genius level intellect and the Watchtower at the time consisted of some of the most advanced technology from many different alien species. I'm pretty sure it could detect if its orbit was threatened by a guy punching the moon.

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How about I finish off with a few striking feats in fights to show what foes Superman can take down with his strikes? In this scan, he two shots Mongul, who had knocked Wonder Woman around like a ragdoll prior to this beatdown and would go on to give Hal Jordan trouble in an Infinite Crisis tie in. Yet a ticked off Superman beats down Mongul in two shots then finishes him off with a dose of heat vision. In all honesty, he could have three shotted him IMO.

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And now here's now hard Superman can hit in relation to his fellow Kryptonians. I'm missing the first scan of this fight but he puts Non, the Kryptonian brute who went toe to toe with Bizarro in the conclusion of Last Son, up in the air with one strike and then one shots him with the next, knocking the fight and a tooth out of Non.

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  • Wonder Woman admits 3 hits from him will kill her.
  • One-shots earth-man who had the powers of the entire legion of Superheroes.
  • One-shots a giant space ship.
  • Breaks reality with his punches.

That should do for now. Call me when Hyperions done anything to match that.

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#48 Edited by Kingant27 (14518 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser:

I can prove it.

The moon's mass is approximately 8.11301125 × 10^19 short tons. This 81,100,000,000,000,000,000 tons x 500, 000= 4.055e+25.

Short tons compared to metric tons= 1 : 1.1023

And even if the object Superman lifted with Martian Manhunter was the size of Saturn;( and had supposedly the same mass as a planet of the size, it would weigh).

Anyway Saturn has a mass of about:

568,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 metric tons x 1.1023= 6.261064e+23.

The Earth weighs 81 x more than the moon.

Saturn weighs 95 x more than the Earth.

So 1 x 81= 81 x 95= 7695 for Saturn compared to the moon.

Even with the planet at the moon's size, Hyperion's feat is still better.

You just went from comparing New-52 Superman to Pre-52 Superman, there is a difference.

Pre-52 Superman was able to accelerate and was knocked out by his collision with it, which is a striking feat; which is different from a lifting feat.

While^ that is impressive, Pre-52 Superman lifting wise was nothing to either of these two.

If you allow statements from WW admitting she will die from 3 hits from Superman, then understand this; that King Hyperion managed to kill alternate Galactus's, and even a weaker/starving Galactus would stomp Superman.

Now onto King Hyperion, who alone was able to overpower and was too much for even 2 Hyperion's, one being 712 Hyperion; and King Hyperion only lost to plot.

Gladiator himself fought 712 Hyperion, and he stated they were physical equals in every way; and he only won via fighting skills.

Not to mention both have Nanoseconds reaction speed here.

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And Gladiator at the time had these feats:

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And you can clearly see that this is by far the biggest planet in the solar system; which without proof; anyone can tell this would obviously be bigger than Earth.

And when King Hyperion fought 712 Hyperion, Hyperion even asked for help; compared to the planet busting Gladiator who stalemated physical wise.

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712 hyperion asking for help from the other hyperion.

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both Hyperion's including 712 nanoseconds Hyperion getting manhandled by KH.

Both Hyperion and King Hyperion are above the Supermen, very slightly; but saying Superman solo's both rounds shows very limited knowledge; and its not like its even New-52 Superman and Pre-52 Superman against these two, who would still loose; but a different version for each round.

Hyperion's win.

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#49 Posted by Comicdude360 (3245 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm torn.

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#50 Posted by dorukesin (7421 posts) - - Show Bio