Superman and Shazam vs Beta Ray Bill and Thor

Round 1

Bloodlusted speed blitz allowed empty earth

Round 2 (EDIT) superman is sundipped for 10 hours and Thor has Warriors Madness

No speed blitz

Round 3

Everyone is normal but speed blitz is not allowed

Pre and new 52 feats for all rounds

Team SS all three times but this is one of those rock paper scissors battles.

Team 1 all rounds

Should have gave thor odin force.

Team one every round

Shazam!

Team one clean sweep

Team 1 all rounds.

@deathsdoor726: Team one. because Supes has stupidly insane feats and Shazam is Shazam

@deathsdoor726: Thor > Superman

Beta Ray Bill > Captain Marvel IMO

So . . . Team Marvel

Which versions?

hasnt this been done a bajillion times?

Team 1 all rounds.

marvel duo

Team two.

People here are forgetting that Shazam has zero feats to put him anywhere close to anyone else here, so they just automatically think Shazam equals Superman. But that isn't the case.

Superman will put up a long and bloody fight but eventually goes down. Thor is slow but BRB should be able to help.

@sacredweapons: @stl9997: Beta Ray Bill is massively faster than Superman and with storm breaker he is more powerful. Bloodlust and speed blitz mean he could possibly solo here. Unless you have feats of Clark being in the same ball park

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11112/111120804/3879944-brb_speed9.jpg

BRB PERCIEVES SEVERAL ( 3hrs at least) IN A MILLISECOND THAT FEAT PUTS HIM IN NANOSECOND RANGE AT LEAST

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/11112/111120804/3879940-brb_speed2.jpg

PERCIEVES OBJECT MOVING AT MFTL

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/marvel-2073/marvel-speed-feats-1516987/

BRB FIGHTS SURFER IN HYPERSPEED WHICH IS MFTL

Definately Thor and Beta Ray Bill. Supes is the only REAL threat to the team. Shazaam wont last too long against Thor or BRB.

Hammers both rounds. With Warrior's Madness it's a stomp I think. Gimme some sundipped SM feats I might change my mind.

Team 1. Too fast, too strong.

Team one stomps

@thanosii: Supes can raise his senses in speed and is well beyond light speed. He is proven far faster than flash. His physical strength is much much greater than BRB

@stl9997: hahahahhahahaha proven far faster than Flash! What a joke! and your own scan proves you wrong!

@klaus: he simply adjusted his senses at his own will and matched him, beat him in a race, and then caught him..... Supes has time and time again shown that he is superior to Flash in speed, so please, try again.

@thanosii Supes could easily beat BRB

Team one

@omega_kai: Odin force Thor would solo so I gave him warriors madness

@stl9997: Flash is wayyy faster than superman not even a contest tbh

@waynewilsonslade: Superman caught flash.......... He is faster. but that's for another thread. at the end of the day, they beat Thor and BRB

@waynewilsonslade: one scan is a scan, and you're hurting Shazam with that scan when he clearly says he got lucky because superman has a weakness to magic, and superman wasnt fighting back or even ready to fight.

@waynewilsonslade: Supes weakness is magic. It's not that great of a feat when you consider his vulnerability to magic and the fact he didnt fight back

@thanosii: The fact that you said Shazam is nothing to Superman made me laugh. Pre 52 both were insane beast only matched by each other and a few other people. He is basically superman without any of his weaknesses. And both Superman and Shazam have faster than light feats that top both thors' and BRB. The only way they win is by targeting Superman with as much damage as they can hoping he goes down and then going for shazam. And that's without a sun dipped Supes. A sun dipped Supes would melt them, literally melt them with his heat vision. Team SS 8/10

@waynewilsonslade said:

@ghost_rider1 said:

Definately Thor and Beta Ray Bill. Supes is the only REAL threat to the team. Shazaam wont last too long against Thor or BRB.

No way. If anyone's lasting longer, it's Shazam. Shazam doesn't have a magic weakness, he has devastating magic of his own. Superman will go down in a coupla blows, if Slowdinson could tag him.

Shazam is about as strong and fast as Superman. Tell me who's going down again?

Superman and Shazam win easily.

Shazam KO's Superman in two blows. In the next scan Hourman is impressed, saying hardly anyone can do that.

Change shazams punches to Mjolnir/Stormbreaker same result imo

Sundipped vs Warrior madness would be epic though!

Superman and Shazam easily.

Just curious, in this scenario, is the time that Superman was able to wield Mjolnir (during a crossover) canon for this? I figure since this is a DC vs. Marvel debate, that would be allowed.

captain marvel shazam or wisaed shazam shazam? Team 1 stomps either way but if it is shazam, he solos

The nuke evacuation was hillarious WIS that should never be used as a feat. Flash seemed to think it was under light speed. That said, flash is still clearly faster than superman.

Rd. 1 Superman Solos- Bloodlusted speedblitz.

Rd. 2 Superman Solos- 24 hours sundip is ridiculous.

Rd. 3 Team 1 wins handily.

Team 1 all rounds

This is kinda easy for team 1.

Shazam weak link here.

Unfortunately he's never demonstrated feats on Supes level. Unless people are claiming Grundy at different points to be capable of moving planets or Lobo.

Thinking about it, n52 is the only reason I say Supes could last after taking a couple blows from mjolnir/stormbreaker, via interactions with Olympians/kryptonite explosions. However even Olympians n52 have been nerfed.

Supes vs Thor I'd go Supes. But Billy's the weak link here. Supes is taking on whoever he fights 1o1, billy is losing. N52 Billy doesn't have the strength of Hercules(which is fortunate for him), however pc Hercules didn't have impressive strength showings compared to the others. Blame DC for making Supes the end all beat all.

Team 2.

They all have high tier feats, but I give it to Superman and Shazam. Shazam has beaten Superman, and I always put superman above Thor and BRB. Too much speed and strength. Maybe a morals off Thor vs Morals on Superman with equal speed, but even then I'm sure some of Clark's high tier feats give him a win. Team DC 8/10.

People here know little to nothing about Bill lol Team 2 all rounds Team 1 COULD pull a majority Round 1 or 3 but unlike Thor, Bill almost never holds back so he's basically the same in round 3 as he is in round 1.

how are they touching clark?

Team 2. The planet busters stomp

@eisenfauste: Bill has a few FTL reaction feats IIRC he fought with SS while in hyperspace. And the same way they consistently tag and take out opponents faster than them in the comics. Their speed "disadvantage" doesn't hinder them when they fight faster opponents in their weight class. And pissed off Thor (not WM) stomped BRB, SS and Warlock IIRC before he got the Power Stone in Blood & Thunder.