Superman and Hulk vs Thor and Silver Surfer

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Superman and Hulk

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Thor and Silver Surfer

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-Superman is allowed composite(Pre and New 52) feats.

-Hulk is allowed World-Breaker.

-Thor is bloodlusted.

-Win by any means except BFR.

Thor and Surfer, exclusively because of Surfer.

I'd make it Thor and Doomsday.

Surfer could solo all 3.

Spite thread

No BFR? I'm leaning towards team 1. Surfer is in character with morals so he won't be doing anything too crazy. WBH will whip the piss out of Thor in a hit or two, and assuming Superman isn't drained right away, he's more than capable of physically overwhelming Surfer or holding his own until WBH helps.

Surfer wins this for team 2...

Surfer will take big blue down before Hulk takes Thor down. then its a 2 on 1.

@warlockmage: I'm with you on that

Not spite because not an intentional mismatch.

Thor and Surfer, Surfer as MVP.

Team 2

Thor and Surfer. Each of them can beat each of the other team.

You have no idea what a spite thread is.

Team 2 takes this.

Thor can't beat either character on team 1. In fact weaker versions of team 1 can and in Hulks case have beaten Thor before.

Thor gets as badly stomped by this Hulk as Savage Hulk would get stomped by old king Thor.

Surfer's powerset is absolutely toxic for Superman. I remember @ghostravage voicing doubt whether Surfer would be able to drain this Hulk. If he fails to drain this Hulk, team 1 stomps. If he can drain him, then team 2 wins.

Surfer solo

The problem is he doesn't need to drain WBH to beat him, WBH is already releasing a massive amount of gamma and all SS has to do is absorb some of that gamma and amp himself which definitely gives him enough power to take out WBH and Superman.

I remember him mentioning he might overload himself in a similar way that happened to the space parasite, whatever his name is again. I am going with team 2 because of how Surfer's powerset matches up with these 2, just pretty much rambling about how i remember him voicing doubts about this case ;)

Didn't Surfer absorb the powers of 2 Galactus level entities once? A skyfather level cosmic demon? Even Galactus himself? As well as some abstract being that gave him the ability to revive and then one-shot Galactus? Unless i am mistaken I am pretty sure he wont overload himself by absorbing WBH's gamma.

@atheistknowledge:

Didn't Surfer absorb the powers of 2 Galactus level entities once? A skyfather level cosmic demon? Even Galactus himself? As well as some abstract being that gave him the ability to revive and then one-shot Galactus? Unless i am mistaken I am pretty sure he wont overload himself by absorbing WBH's gamma.

Silver Surfer almost went insane after absorbing a massive amount of energy from a single star. He didn't absorb any energy from those beings, he manipulated it, 2 entirely different things.

Norrin solo's.

I see, well he doesn't need to absorb all of the energy from WBH, a decent amount of it would be more then enough, after all he has absorbed Hulks gamma before and was fine.

Don't you think this is going too far? I do agree Hulk is going to make quick work of Thor while in his World Breaker state, but the gap between WBH and Worthy Thor isn't anywhere near as big as Old King Thor and Savage Hulk, maybe you where just using them for comparison and I misunderstood, but I think you aren't giving nearly enough credit to Thor.

Yea the gap is not close. WBH is basically a tier above regular Thor, while Old King Thor is several tiers above Savage Hulk.

Surfer turns them into green and blue pancakes

I agree old king Thor is way above WBH. That wasn't my point. The point was that Thor gets stomped as badly by this Hulk. I hate when everything you say is taken absolutely literally.

@20damon: You forgot to quote me, hehe. Also I didn't took what you said literally, read it again:

Sorry, yeah, i was jsut using them for comparison. I've said dozens of times that Hulk's strongest incarnations don't come anywhere clsoe to Thor's strongest. It was just a measure of how bad a regular Thor gets stomped by Hulk at this level.

He channeled the Crunch specifically.

Yes he did.

Team 2

Team 2, Silver Surfer MVP.

Thor and surfer, surfer is a major MVP

Team 2, Surfer is key here.

Thor should be on team 1, Surfer solos

@firsthunter:

This is not a mismatch at all.

Thor can stomp Supes due to being stronger, more durable, and having energy drain. Same with Surfer. Surfer can simply drain Hulk and has done so before. Thor has beaten Hulk more than Hulk has beaten Thor. And this is Thor while holding back. He's already oneshotted an amped Hulk before, while injured.

Team 2 wins.

Thor is not stomping Superman.

He can't stomp Superman, he is not stronger, he is not more durable and he almost never uses energy drain, not that it would help him against someone like Superman. Surfer is the one that's winning this battle, Thor can't beat either of the 2 opponents himself. Thor never one-shotted an amped Hulk, in fact he tried to kill that Hulk as he literally stated him self by yelling "now you die!" but he couldn't kill him, in fact he couldn't even harm him and he admitted himself, so he had to BFR him before he fell into a coma while Hulk was perfectly fine. On the other hand Hulk has 1-shotted Thor twice, 3-shotted him once and 4-shotted him another time.

I disagree. He has all the advantages as well as a direct counter.

Thor uses energy drain constantly. It's literally used more than he uses wind.

Thor's definitely stronger, having multiplanetary strength and actual planet busting feats and has better durability feats as well.

Thor oneshotted Nul, and left him KO'd in space.

What Hulk has done doesn't matter as much seeing as Thor has more victories. While holding back (fact and stated).

No he does not, how many times has he used it in the past decade? He almost never uses wind either and again what evidence do you have that he can drain Superman in any way?

Thor doesn't have multiplanteray strength feat, if you are talking about the Midgard Serpent that got debunked long ago, he has no planet busting feat only planetoid and Moon busting feats at best and i see no evidence of him having better durability either.

Thor tried to kill Nul the same way he killed Angrir who he mentioned he actually liked and he couldn't do shit to Nul except BFR him to space before he fell into a coma, otherwise if the fight continued he would have died. Nul was completely fine in space you can even see him talking and he landed completely fine in Transylvania where he wrecked havoc.

Thor doesn't have more victories, it's actually the other way around, as Hulk has beaten Thor more often then not, as well as KO'd him ore times and Thor was stated to not hold back against Hulk in at least 4-5 of their encounters, so again as per usual you are wrong and as per usual i am curbing you to the ground.

Thor allowed B&T feats? If so, team 2 totally dominates.

Dr. Polaris drained Supes, Thor drained Presence of the energy inside of his body. Also drained Loki's life force.

Thor has survived the weight of 20 planets on him, infinite gravity, and overpowered the gravity of a neutron star. He's also been in the presence of black holes and has broken Surfer's shields and Galactus's helmet, all of which are far above multi-planetary in durability. Also the shockwaves of his hits were busting planets vs. Gorr. Thor has survived attacks from Celestials, Skyfathers, and planet destruction while KO'd, among other things. Supes gets KO'd destroying a shadow moon and gets oneshotted by Captain Marvel and the like.

Thor oneshotted Nul and had him KO'd. It's why his dialogue box was just an ellipses.

Thor has more victories and has stated that he always holds back. He's never stated not to hold back except for the one time where he didn't even have his powers before the fight.

Thor never drained anyone like Supes, from solar energy and he almost never uses it in combat i asked you to show me how many times he used it in the last decade and you haven't, case closed.

It was never mentioned that it was 20 planets, he overpowered gravity akin to a neutron star not the gravity of an actual neutron star, even Tom Brevoort debunked this. Breaking Surfers shields does not make him multi-planetary stop being silly and breaking Galactus helmet is an outlier considering on 2 different occasions he failed to harm Galactus in any way. The shockwaves of his hits where barely cracking a nearby Moon, there where no planets getting busted anywhere. Again outliers every other powerhouse has, including Superman. Superman crashed into the a magical Moon and got KO'd in the process, Thor crashed into a rocket meant to destroy a planet and only got grazed by the shockwave of the rocket(not even the explosion) and still got KO'd and left half dead. Captain Marvel admitted he was lucky and got Superman by surprise, but if you wanna go down that road, Hulk has one-shot Thor twice before.

No his dialogue box was empty because he was and couldn't talk there, if he was KO'd he wouldn't be still holding his hammer in his hand. On the other hand Thor fell into a coma after his BFR and after admitting he never could really beat Hulk even after trying to kill him.

Show me Thors victories then, let's count them all. And show me where he stated that he always hold back? I will show you 4 different instances where either he or the narrator states that he isn't holding back, let's go.

Thor doesnt add much since the other team very strong. Sufer though solos. So team 2