Superman and Green Lantern (Hal) vs Silver Surfer

I give Surfer the win.

Superman and Green Lantern Hal Jordan might lose here... Silver Surfer should be able to take out Superman with some Red Sun Radiation... now Hal might be more problematic to deal with because of his complex Energy Manipulation Powers of the Power Ring... but Supes would probably go out fairly quickly in this battle... 

@King Saturn said:

Superman and Green Lantern Hal Jordan might lose here... Silver Surfer should be able to take out Superman with some Red Sun Radiation... now Hal might be more problematic to deal with because of his complex Energy Manipulation Powers of the Power Ring... but Supes would probably go out fairly quickly in this battle... 

 I dunno why most ppl  here think this. Superman can stand up to red sun radiation attacks. Its a weakness but its not a for sure victory over him.

@supermandefender said:

@King Saturn said:

Superman and Green Lantern Hal Jordan might lose here... Silver Surfer should be able to take out Superman with some Red Sun Radiation... now Hal might be more problematic to deal with because of his complex Energy Manipulation Powers of the Power Ring... but Supes would probably go out fairly quickly in this battle... 

 I dunno why most ppl  here think this. Superman can stand up to red sun radiation attacks. Its a weakness but its not a for sure victory over him.

well it could be fatal if it's intensified into a beam attack... could blast straight through Superman's body. 

He was depowered for a year after that stunt with Superboy-Prime. And yes, Surfer's powerlevels are that high, so he wins despite you trying to stack the deck in your boy's favor. Heh.

He was depowered for a year after that stunt with Superboy-Prime. And yes, Surfer's powerlevels are that high, so he wins despite you trying to stack the deck in your boy's favor. Heh.

@supermandefender said:

@King Saturn said:

@supermandefender said:

@King Saturn said:

Superman and Green Lantern Hal Jordan might lose here... Silver Surfer should be able to take out Superman with some Red Sun Radiation... now Hal might be more problematic to deal with because of his complex Energy Manipulation Powers of the Power Ring... but Supes would probably go out fairly quickly in this battle...

I dunno why most ppl here think this. Superman can stand up to red sun radiation attacks. Its a weakness but its not a for sure victory over him.

well it could be fatal if it's intensified into a beam attack... could blast straight through Superman's body.

Surfers powerlevels are not that high. Superman has flown threw a entire red sun unharmed. Ive never seen the Surfer generate a whole star. Superman should be durable enough to withstand any of Surfers attacks. If Superman cant be destroyed by the Starbreaker who uses red sun I cant see Surfer killing him with it. But hey thats me.

How about instance when Surfer drained a whole star ?

@supermandefender said:

@King Saturn said:

@supermandefender said:

@King Saturn said:

Superman and Green Lantern Hal Jordan might lose here... Silver Surfer should be able to take out Superman with some Red Sun Radiation... now Hal might be more problematic to deal with because of his complex Energy Manipulation Powers of the Power Ring... but Supes would probably go out fairly quickly in this battle...

I dunno why most ppl here think this. Superman can stand up to red sun radiation attacks. Its a weakness but its not a for sure victory over him.

well it could be fatal if it's intensified into a beam attack... could blast straight through Superman's body.

Surfers powerlevels are not that high. Superman has flown threw a entire red sun unharmed. Ive never seen the Surfer generate a whole star. Superman should be durable enough to withstand any of Surfers attacks. If Superman cant be destroyed by the Starbreaker who uses red sun I cant see Surfer killing him with it. But hey thats me.

How about instance when Surfer drained a whole star ? 
 
Decent point. A brust of power that equals one star verses a entire star. The difference is life span of the star. A Star is full of millions of atomic explosions going off at once every second. Its not the power of the star that effects Superman its the continual sunlight he absorbs. Surfer containing a entire star is the samething as saying he is containing a supernova. Superman has taken Supernovas and has been unharmed. Again like I said its not the blast that would kill Superman is the continual absorption of red sunlight......  its the light itself.  
 

Actually star has more neergy than Supernova 100 times more. By the way Superman endured Nova not Supernova. And was koed. That's a big difference.Not to mention that Surfer has many ways to kill Superman. He is on another level compared to Hal and Kal

Actually star has more neergy than Supernova 100 times more. By the way Superman endured Nova not Supernova. And was koed. That's a big difference.Not to mention that Surfer has many ways to kill Superman. He is on another level compared to Hal and Kal

Doesn't Silver Surfer fly through stars on a regular? I've seen him fly through a red giant and come out unscathed. 

Doesn't Silver Surfer fly through stars on a regular? I've seen him fly through a red giant and come out unscathed. 

Doesn't Silver Surfer fly through stars on a regular? I've seen him fly through a red giant and come out unscathed. 

I'm going to have to go with surfer here. his cosmic awareness is able to give him insight into the team's respective weaknesses, which he can replicate easily.

 A Blue star would double Supes power in a instant.

@supermandefender: I read it. I was fairly impressed, although there wasn't an explanation as to how this version of Captain Atom came to be.   As far as being more powerful as the original, I disagree. All he did was transmute robotic armor into thin air. The original Captain Atom, pre-Flashpoint, had been displaying feats from transmutation on more than one occasion. 

 Yeah I liked it. From the description of the upcoming comics they are making him seem godlike. However, in the comic they posed a possible weakness. It seemed like the more he used his powers the more his molecules were breaking apart from him. But it was a badass comic. I didnt care for Superman issue 1. But action comics issue 1 was badass! I got 4 copies :). Detective comics was awesome....batman was fine....but the Dark knight sucked! I think the big one was Batgirl. I heard alot of hype about it.   There were a couple of good ones.  So hey what did you think about the Girl in the red hood? She showed up at the end of Flashpoint issue 5? And she was in every single 52 issue.  

@supermandefender said:

 Yeah I liked it. From the description of the upcoming comics they are making him seem godlike. However, in the comic they posed a possible weakness. It seemed like the more he used his powers the more his molecules were breaking apart from him. But it was a badass comic. I didnt care for Superman issue 1. But action comics issue 1 was badass! I got 4 copies :). Detective comics was awesome....batman was fine....but the Dark knight sucked! I think the big one was Batgirl. I heard alot of hype about it.   There were a couple of good ones.  So hey what did you think about the Girl in the red hood? She showed up at the end of Flashpoint issue 5? And she was in every single 52 issue.  

That, and they put a limitation on his energy absorption ability.  Superman was strange. Seemed as if they switched up Clark Kent a little too much. Made him... younger. I liked all of the Batman books, even the Dark Knight one. Batgirl was good, too. Which girl are you referring to? The chick with the white hair?

 

Hey check it out and tell me what you think. Id like theories.

Surfer turns Supes into a squirrel if Hal can't give Kal a shield fast enough.

I think the team might pull of a win, with supes power and lanterns light construct they can tame the Surfer

@supermandefender: I never even noticed her, to be honest. I also never read Flashpoint, so I'm not too big on her significance.

@supermandefender: Guess I'll have to take a look. 

Lol, Silver Surfer Easily, first all he has to do is manipulate Lanterns ring into into a piece of crap, then teleport superman in Dead Space light years from the sun and there's no way superman would even have his powers anymore to even comeback to Earth cause he gets it from the Yellow Sun! And if all fails, something completley wrong happend all this (what I said) wouldn't work, Surfer would still break through Lanterns Puny Shields, and Superman? He can't "OutSpeed" the surfer in anyway cause Silver Surfer can travel multiple more times than the speed of Light, so it's a clear win for Silver Surfer. If that fails too...Surfer can Travel through time, with his incredible speed or powers, then teleport to Planet Krypton go up to Baby Superman, Strangle the baby, Torture the baby and beat the @#$% outta' the baby, cus' Baby superman ain't have noooo exposure to PEE color sun anywhere! And once he's done with superman, he goes up to HAl Jordan then he tortures and kills the @#$% out of Human Baby Hal Jordan!

THE END

@supermandefender said:

@TheFallenOne said:

Actually star has more neergy than Supernova 100 times more. By the way Superman endured Nova not Supernova. And was koed. That's a big difference.Not to mention that Surfer has many ways to kill Superman. He is on another level compared to Hal and Kal

Its non-cannon but it still happened.

If its not canon, then it really cant be used right : /

Lol, Silver Surfer Easily, first all he has to do is manipulate Lanterns ring into into a piece of crap, then teleport superman in Dead Space light years from the sun and there's no way superman would even have his powers anymore to even comeback to Earth cause he gets it from the Yellow Sun! And if all fails, something completley wrong happend all this (what I said) wouldn't work, Surfer would still break through Lanterns Puny Shields, and Superman? He can't "OutSpeed" the surfer in anyway cause Silver Surfer can travel multiple more times than the speed of Light, so it's a clear win for Silver Surfer. If that fails too...Surfer can Travel through time, with his incredible speed or powers, then teleport to Planet Krypton go up to Baby Superman, Strangle the baby, Torture the baby and beat the @#$% outta' the baby, cus' Baby superman ain't have noooo PEE color sun nearby!

@supermandefender said:

@TheFallenOne said:

Actually star has more neergy than Supernova 100 times more. By the way Superman endured Nova not Supernova. And was koed. That's a big difference.Not to mention that Surfer has many ways to kill Superman. He is on another level compared to Hal and Kal

Its non-cannon but it still happened.

If its not canon, then it really cant be used right : / 
 
 
 
 
Well its marvel? How many universes are they running at one time??? I mean look at Thanos imperative. I mean you really cant use different universes as non canon anymore in Marvel. They are using it as being part of main story. So the exact same Silver Surfer in another universe dies slowly to a Supernova and in the current universe it cant be used to say they are roughly the same powerlevel? How does that make sense?  
 
Anyway im not using it for debatable material but im welcome to refer to anything i want as long as i refer it to the actual Surfer.  Like I can say prior to Surfer upgrade...Surfer was this powerful. Which is at Thors level at best.
 
 
@DeadCosmos said:

Lol, Silver Surfer Easily, first all he has to do is manipulate Lanterns ring into into a piece of crap, then teleport superman in Dead Space light years from the sun and there's no way superman would even have his powers anymore to even comeback to Earth cause he gets it from the Yellow Sun! And if all fails, something completley wrong happend all this (what I said) wouldn't work, Surfer would still break through Lanterns Puny Shields, and Superman? He can't "OutSpeed" the surfer in anyway cause Silver Surfer can travel multiple more times than the speed of Light, so it's a clear win for Silver Surfer. If that fails too...Surfer can Travel through time, with his incredible speed or powers, then teleport to Planet Krypton go up to Baby Superman, Strangle the baby, Torture the baby and beat the @#$% outta' the baby, cus' Baby superman ain't have noooo exposure to PEE color sun anywhere!

I'd say Team for the majority, they can cover each other to prevent weakness exploitations and force this into pure fight. Superman can be sussessful with blitz's( Surfer hasn't really dealt with someone of Superman's level of combat speed) and Hal has more or less done anything Surfer has displayed ( Hal did also beat Cyborg Superman w/ rings even with his nervous system being damaged by the Will hunters who is easily a SS level threat)..... @Dead Cosmos: Actually Hal has shown consisderable amount of energy/matter transmutation himself ( transmutting himself into metal, transmutting Tom Kalmaku into a pigeon, transmutting someone into a robot, transmutting himself into a giant, re-transmutting Adam strange from water back into human), I don't know what you mean exactly but Hal has stopped time multiple times, traveled through time multiple times, teleported and created space warps multiple times and GL's "puny" shields have allowed them to dive through black holes, stars, and the core of suns like taking bath's so I seriously don't get your point...

I still say Silver Surfer would win.

I still say Silver Surfer would win.

@spiderbuck said:

I'm going to have to go with surfer here. his cosmic awareness is able to give him insight into the team's respective weaknesses, which he can replicate easily.

team wins easy i would say

Silver Surfer wins if they are seperate. togather i think they win after a long-fight

Lol, Silver Surfer Easily, first all he has to do is manipulate Lanterns ring into into a piece of crap, then teleport superman in Dead Space light years from the sun and there's no way superman would even have his powers anymore to even comeback to Earth cause he gets it from the Yellow Sun! And if all fails, something completley wrong happend all this (what I said) wouldn't work, Surfer would still break through Lanterns Puny Shields, and Superman? He can't "OutSpeed" the surfer in anyway cause Silver Surfer can travel multiple more times than the speed of Light, so it's a clear win for Silver Surfer. If that fails too...Surfer can Travel through time, with his incredible speed or powers, then teleport to Planet Krypton go up to Baby Superman, Strangle the baby, Torture the baby and beat the @#$% outta' the baby, cus' Baby superman ain't have noooo exposure to PEE color sun anywhere! And once he's done with superman, he goes up to HAl Jordan then he tortures and kills the @#$% out of Human Baby Hal Jordan!

THE END

Surfer takes this. And I prefer Superman and GL over the Surfer as well. And SS wouldn't know anything about Superman's red sun weakness or GL's willpower being the driving force of his ring. He'd just blast them with cosmic energy and from what I've seen, that could easily get through Superman's invulerable skin/micro forcefield or any construct/shield Hal can put up.

@supermandefender said:

 A Blue star would double Supes power in a instant.

O_o   Really?

@Static Shock said:

@supermandefender said:

 A Blue star would double Supes power in a instant.

O_o   Really?

 AFAIK, no, a blue star awakens new powers, doesn't doubles his power, so far I only recall seeing that in the bizarro world story where he used HV on his pops by accident and rather than fry him he gave him Kryptonian powers.

@MrDirector786 said:

I still say Silver Surfer would win.

@supermandefender said:

@TheFallenOne said:

Actually star has more neergy than Supernova 100 times more. By the way Superman endured Nova not Supernova. And was koed. That's a big difference.Not to mention that Surfer has many ways to kill Superman. He is on another level compared to Hal and Kal

Superman has taken Supernovas besides the Brainiac ark. And as I recall wasnt Surfer slowly dying being caught to close to a Supernova? Its non-cannon but it still happened. I wouldnt put that on a whole other level than Superman. Specially sense Thor has beaten the Surfer. That puts Surfer on Superman and Thors level sense they are considered equal. And thats in terms of power. A star does has more energy than a nova when u compare it to its life span. But if you absorb the star entirely at one moment your absorbing a supernova. Science is my thing. ;) Before a Supernova goes off the star swells up becoming a super giant star. And then suddenly collapses on itself. So yes if you absorb all the power of a star your absorbing pretty much enough energy to make a supernova. Absorbing the star at the moment does not mean you absorb its lifespan of energy also.

So it is pretty much like it never happened in terms of this discussion.

I'm not even sure current Hal or Superman even have the feats to hang with the Silver Surfer, not that their previous incarnations stood much of a better chance.

But I do have to take note at our fabulous OP here: "Hey guys! in this one showing I think the Silver Surfer nearly died going too close to a super nova! It's not canon though."

The guy has been surfing the damn things for decades.

OP: "Hal & Superman vs The Silver Surfer!"

A few posts down.

OP: "Im going with the team here. I think the combind power of GL and Superman would be to much for the Surfer to keep track of. They work together greatly and they would attack him from 2 sides at the sametime. Surfer is going down on this one."

Wait what? What was the point of the thread if you think the team is too much for Norrin?

Albeit it in no shape is too much for him to keep track of since his mind's processing power and senses are more then potent enough to keep track of both of them without any effort at all. I really don't want to post scans of Norrin's cosmic awareness blowing HE's mind when he's running off a fraction of it or how it takes him a split second to find and calculate were a particular planet is when Galactus asks him to. The guy is one of the best trackers in the MU for a reason, he was built to be.

And he wonders why I question his credibility.

Hal and Kal get my vote. They are the heroes.

@Lvenger said:

Surfer takes this. And I prefer Superman and GL over the Surfer as well. And SS wouldn't know anything about Superman's red sun weakness or GL's willpower being the driving force of his ring. He'd just blast them with cosmic energy and from what I've seen, that could easily get through Superman's invulerable skin/micro forcefield or any construct/shield Hal can put up.

Actually due to his Cosmic Awareness SS would know everything about both of them. So he would know to transform the air around superman to kryptonite.

@King Saturn said:

Superman and Green Lantern Hal Jordan might lose here... Silver Surfer should be able to take out Superman with some Red Sun Radiation... now Hal might be more problematic to deal with because of his complex Energy Manipulation Powers of the Power Ring... but Supes would probably go out fairly quickly in this battle... 

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