Superboy Prime and ION vs Silver Surfer and Morg

The Kid Prime I have little faith in, I think his achilees heel is already exposed and he could be mentally screwed over very easy

"The Kid Prime I have little faith in, I think his achilees heel is already exposed and he could be mentally screwed over very easy

Superboy is actually he weak link here, he started off like he was going to be some over powered Silver Ages Superman wrote by a bunch of old SilverAge crackhead writers but instead became some emo jobbering imbecile,
Prime is not all that anymore
he's afraid of people who move fast, he's terrified of the dark and he has a weakness to red sun radiation
Prime had a big entrance but since then he's fallen very far, the kid gets his jaw shattered by people like Supergirl, Prime has a future ahead of him as a Terrax or a Jobberseid
His resistance to Kryptonite has recently been retconned

He has become a jobber

Compare this
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to this

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Prime's power levels are all over the place,
one day he's the most powerful guy in DC, owns DC Earth, punches through reality and stomped on Mxy (Which IMO is a severe case of PIS dished out by Silver Age crackhead superman writers)
Prime is up and down like a Yo-Yo
he's sooooo inconsistent I'm not even sure if he should be allowed in comicvine battles
The threads descend into Rulk territory where the only people who can defend him on consistency are the fans

He's basically a Jobberseid or a RULK,
 one day he does something Silver Age like and Insane like KO'ing a Watcher or owing all the JLA

the next day Emoboy Prime is getting his jaw shattered by a bunch of nobody's

More recently his weaker showings are being exposed, and he no longer is so resistant to Kryptonite and red sun rays can kill him
IMO Classic Drax or Gladiator at peak confidence or even the Brain Damaged Drax would end Prime

Why?

Drax is still a lot faster than Prime. This pretty much means Prime won't be landing any punches on him, ever.
Prime loses in the strength department. He's not stronger either, Drax can easily move planets, shatter them with a single blow etc.
The Emoboy Prime gets traumatized to the point that he freaks out whenever he so much as sees a Flash and he has a tonne of other phobias to exploit

but then again Prime beat Mxy

Yes some crackhead SilverAge morons would think he can own Mxy which basically means on his high showinsg he could basically own Galactus

Its wrong to pick your favorite waves and try to cherry pick the data

Even you even out the peaks and troughs,
and try to level him with the mid showing
Prime would have serious diffiucltly with a guy like Drax

Which means Kid Prime ain't all that anymore and he's probably the weakest link here

"Prime's power levels are all over the place, one day he's the most powerful guy in DC, owns DC Earth, punches through reality and stomped on Mxy (Which IMO is a severe case of PIS dished out by Silver Age crackhead superman writers)Prime is up and down like a Yo-Yohe's sooooo inconsistent I'm not even sure if he should be allowed in comicvine battlesThe threads descend into Rulk territory where the only people who can defend him on consistency are the fansHe's basically a Jobberseid or a RULK, one day he does something Silver Age like and Insane like KO'ing a Watcher or owing all the JLAthe next day Emoboy Prime is getting his jaw shattered by a bunch of nobody'sMore recently his weaker showings are being exposed, and he no longer is so resistant to Kryptonite and red sun rays can kill himIMO Classic Drax or Gladiator at peak confidence or even the Brain Damaged Drax would end PrimeWhy?Drax is still a lot faster than Prime. This pretty much means Prime won't be landing any punches on him, ever. Prime loses in the strength department. He's not stronger either, Drax can easily move planets, shatter them with a single blow etc.The Emoboy Prime gets traumatized to the point that he freaks out whenever he so much as sees a Flash and he has a tonne of other phobias to exploitbut then again Prime beat MxyYes some crackhead SilverAge morons would think he can own Mxy which basically means on his high showinsg he could basically own GalactusIts wrong to pick your favorite waves and try to cherry pick the dataEven you even out the peaks and troughs, and try to level him with the mid showingPrime would have serious diffiucltly with a guy like DraxWhich means Kid Prime ain't all that anymore and he's probably the weakest link here"

Sodam and SBP...they are faster (fighting speed, not flight speed), and far superior in any physical capacity.

Really it all depends on how well Sodam has mastered his ION powers.

"they brought this back huh
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" @TruePwnge said:

"Prime's power levels are all over the place, one day he's the most powerful guy in DC, owns DC Earth, punches through reality and stomped on Mxy (Which IMO is a severe case of PIS dished out by Silver Age crackhead superman writers)Prime is up and down like a Yo-Yohe's sooooo inconsistent I'm not even sure if he should be allowed in comicvine battlesThe threads descend into Rulk territory where the only people who can defend him on consistency are the fansHe's basically a Jobberseid or a RULK, one day he does something Silver Age like and Insane like KO'ing a Watcher or owing all the JLAthe next day Emoboy Prime is getting his jaw shattered by a bunch of nobody'sMore recently his weaker showings are being exposed, and he no longer is so resistant to Kryptonite and red sun rays can kill himIMO Classic Drax or Gladiator at peak confidence or even the Brain Damaged Drax would end PrimeWhy?Drax is still a lot faster than Prime. This pretty much means Prime won't be landing any punches on him, ever. Prime loses in the strength department. He's not stronger either, Drax can easily move planets, shatter them with a single blow etc.The Emoboy Prime gets traumatized to the point that he freaks out whenever he so much as sees a Flash and he has a tonne of other phobias to exploitbut then again Prime beat MxyYes some crackhead SilverAge morons would think he can own Mxy which basically means on his high showinsg he could basically own GalactusIts wrong to pick your favorite waves and try to cherry pick the dataEven you even out the peaks and troughs, and try to level him with the mid showingPrime would have serious diffiucltly with a guy like DraxWhich means Kid Prime ain't all that anymore and he's probably the weakest link here"

he is much faster then drax, prime is on par with a bronze age superman like really you just hate the fact he is good, all people have high and low feats it's called a COMIC read one some time "

Silver Surfer and Morg win

prime and ion stomp i just realized if he wanted to show low feats on prime why didnt anyone show the one where surfer got but in an armbar by black panther that was hilarious talk about low feat.. XD

"Silver Surfer and Morg win "

Tough fight probably Prime and Ion ftw

Prime easily solos this

" Prime easily solos this "

"Surfer v BlackPanther boils down to PIS or CIS or just lame writing, it should never happen not even on a low showing, not even Doom preps himself and invents a crazy device so all the cosmic energy was drained out of Surfer, Panther would have still lostSuperboy Prime should have never been able to fight Mxy, it was also bad writingPrime is becoming a jobber, he can be dropped by red sun radsthat's not CIS or PIS its truly part of his character, he drops to red sun radiation, this weakness is part of Emoboy Prime's charactereven on his high showings he will have this weaknessPrime is actually the weakest link here"

" @TruePwnge said:

"Surfer v BlackPanther boils down to PIS or CIS or just lame writing, it should never happen not even on a low showing, not even Doom preps himself and invents a crazy device so all the cosmic energy was drained out of Surfer, Panther would have still lostSuperboy Prime should have never been able to fight Mxy, it was also bad writingPrime is becoming a jobber, he can be dropped by red sun radsthat's not CIS or PIS its truly part of his character, he drops to red sun radiation, this weakness is part of Emoboy Prime's charactereven on his high showings he will have this weaknessPrime is actually the weakest link here"

prime is not the weakest link he is the strongest link, you just hate him for the fact that he is around a bronze age level, comics have high and LOW feats like really go READ some infinite and final crisis comics and get back to me. "

DC team should win though it would be a good fight.

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @TruePwnge said:

"Surfer v BlackPanther boils down to PIS or CIS or just lame writing, it should never happen not even on a low showing, not even Doom preps himself and invents a crazy device so all the cosmic energy was drained out of Surfer, Panther would have still lostSuperboy Prime should have never been able to fight Mxy, it was also bad writingPrime is becoming a jobber, he can be dropped by red sun radsthat's not CIS or PIS its truly part of his character, he drops to red sun radiation, this weakness is part of Emoboy Prime's charactereven on his high showings he will have this weaknessPrime is actually the weakest link here"

prime is not the weakest link he is the strongest link, you just hate him for the fact that he is around a bronze age level, comics have high and LOW feats like really go READ some infinite and final crisis comics and get back to me. "

heyy dont tell anyone to read final crisis hahaha "

i know bro i got it XD

Surfer v BlackPanther boils down to PIS or CIS or just lame writing, it should never happen not even on a low showing, not even if Dr Doom and Batman preps themself and invent a crazy device so all the cosmic energy was drained out of Surfer, Panther would have still lost

Superboy Prime should have never been able to fight Mxy, it was also bad writing
Prime is becoming a jobber, he can be dropped by red sun rads
that's not CIS or PIS its truly part of his character, he drops to red sun radiation, this weakness is part of Emoboy Prime's character
even on his high showings he will have this weakness

Prime is actually the weakest link here, emoboy loses it for team DC

"Surfer v BlackPanther boils down to PIS or CIS or just lame writing, it should never happen not even on a low showing, not even if Dr Doom and Batman preps themself and invent a crazy device so all the cosmic energy was drained out of Surfer, Panther would have still lostSuperboy Prime should have never been able to fight Mxy, it was also bad writingPrime is becoming a jobber, he can be dropped by red sun radsthat's not CIS or PIS its truly part of his character, he drops to red sun radiation, this weakness is part of Emoboy Prime's charactereven on his high showings he will have this weaknessPrime is actually the weakest link here, emoboy loses it for team DC"

prime is not the weakest link he is the strongest link, you just hate him for the fact that he is around a bronze age level, comics have high and LOW feats like really go READ some infinite and final crisis comics and get back to me. "

"SeSAW said:

"Actually if you want to be real about it Ion and Prime both have weakness that the Surfer can easily use to his advantage, I treid not to bring it up but Hal Jordan has forced me, to put it blunt surfer could solo."

Dont you ever get tired of getting destroyed by me on hereSuperBoy Prime as we discussed before before surfer could even blink prime would tear surfer apartsurfer is not going to survive more then 1` or 2 hits from primeion? lead right hate to break it to u but sodams ring protects him from his weakness of leadthat is why the lead in his body hasnt been able to spread the ring is preventing itprime would kill both surfer and morg in the blink of an eyeand sodam could simply erase them from existence nuff said "

"@Hal_Jordan1986 said:

"SeSAW said:

"Actually if you want to be real about it Ion and Prime both have weakness that the Surfer can easily use to his advantage, I treid not to bring it up but Hal Jordan has forced me, to put it blunt surfer could solo."

Dont you ever get tired of getting destroyed by me on hereSuperBoy Prime as we discussed before before surfer could even blink prime would tear surfer apartsurfer is not going to survive more then 1` or 2 hits from primeion? lead right hate to break it to u but sodams ring protects him from his weakness of leadthat is why the lead in his body hasnt been able to spread the ring is preventing itprime would kill both surfer and morg in the blink of an eyeand sodam could simply erase them from existence nuff said "

Whoooooooa.... Uhm no Surfer could take on Super crybaby by himself and win "

" @GreenScar98 said:

"@Hal_Jordan1986 said:

"SeSAW said:

"Actually if you want to be real about it Ion and Prime both have weakness that the Surfer can easily use to his advantage, I treid not to bring it up but Hal Jordan has forced me, to put it blunt surfer could solo."

Dont you ever get tired of getting destroyed by me on hereSuperBoy Prime as we discussed before before surfer could even blink prime would tear surfer apartsurfer is not going to survive more then 1` or 2 hits from primeion? lead right hate to break it to u but sodams ring protects him from his weakness of leadthat is why the lead in his body hasnt been able to spread the ring is preventing itprime would kill both surfer and morg in the blink of an eyeand sodam could simply erase them from existence nuff said "

Whoooooooa.... Uhm no Surfer could take on Super crybaby by himself and win "

surfer would be destroyed by SBP, when did SS survive pure anti-matter? take down 32GL and own superman,ion,powergirl and part of the sinestro and GL corps all then take a blast from three sky father level people and was fine with no scratch, right never "

I guess the fate of this battle lies on which strength level we put Superboy on. The Owning Myx Superboy, or the jobber Superboy?

  @Logic Mark III said:

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How do you know the fight isnt at light speed? Even if it isnt does it look like they are going at speeds someone with only slightly better than human reactions could react to well? I dont think i will find a fight in which the writer assumes im some kind of idiot and need it spelled out to me he is going real fast.

Read the bottom panel to the left. Those are other things he could do WITH EASE. I dont think its Hyperbole, thats not really in his character and he isnt exactly a cocky one. "

" its a new thing i am trying being passive debating kinda like being passive aggressive...  :)

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Heralds die
Prime 1 shots both of them

"Heralds die Prime 1 shots both of them "

" @Johnny_Nemesis said:

"Heralds die Prime 1 shots both of them "

SBP won't be doing that. If SBP and ION win, its going to be because of ION :P  The surfer himself can own any incarnation of supes(Well some not included) via sucking him dry of his lifeforce / metabolized solar energy and all that jazz while being intagible or mind raping him lol.  SS with his rediculous bag of tricks for powers, along with his rediculous control over them > SBP "

" Heralds die Prime 1 shots both of them "

" @GreenScar98 said:

"@Hal_Jordan1986 said:

"SeSAW said:

"Actually if you want to be real about it Ion and Prime both have weakness that the Surfer can easily use to his advantage, I treid not to bring it up but Hal Jordan has forced me, to put it blunt surfer could solo."

Dont you ever get tired of getting destroyed by me on hereSuperBoy Prime as we discussed before before surfer could even blink prime would tear surfer apartsurfer is not going to survive more then 1` or 2 hits from primeion? lead right hate to break it to u but sodams ring protects him from his weakness of leadthat is why the lead in his body hasnt been able to spread the ring is preventing itprime would kill both surfer and morg in the blink of an eyeand sodam could simply erase them from existence nuff said "

Whoooooooa.... Uhm no Surfer could take on Super crybaby by himself and win "

surfer would be destroyed by SBP, when did SS survive pure anti-matter? take down 32GL and own superman,ion,powergirl and part of the sinestro and GL corps all then take a blast from three sky father level people and was fine with no scratch, right never "

" @Hellos said:

" @Johnny_Nemesis said:

"Heralds die Prime 1 shots both of them "

SBP won't be doing that. If SBP and ION win, its going to be because of ION :P  The surfer himself can own any incarnation of supes(Well some not included) via sucking him dry of his lifeforce / metabolized solar energy and all that jazz while being intagible or mind raping him lol.  SS with his rediculous bag of tricks for powers, along with his rediculous control over them > SBP "

Ion is a jobber who cant even beat Mongul without tapping into the Ion power..and he still supposedly died when he did so  Prime one shots both of them...Surfer can only beat regular Superman...Pre Crisis Supes, Superboy Prime and all of the above would slaughter the Heralds  Surfer got knocked out by Hulk in 3 shots..Prime one shots him...Surfer also got beaten to death by Thanos..Surfer also lost to Namor..Surfer almost got friend by Storms lighting also  Its a ridiculous stomp..Sodam can sit back and laugh as Prime tears the Heralds a new asshole... "

" @Johnny_Nemesis said:

" @Hellos said:

" @Johnny_Nemesis said:

"Heralds die Prime 1 shots both of them "

SBP won't be doing that. If SBP and ION win, its going to be because of ION :P  The surfer himself can own any incarnation of supes(Well some not included) via sucking him dry of his lifeforce / metabolized solar energy and all that jazz while being intagible or mind raping him lol.  SS with his rediculous bag of tricks for powers, along with his rediculous control over them > SBP "

Ion is a jobber who cant even beat Mongul without tapping into the Ion power..and he still supposedly died when he did so  Prime one shots both of them...Surfer can only beat regular Superman...Pre Crisis Supes, Superboy Prime and all of the above would slaughter the Heralds  Surfer got knocked out by Hulk in 3 shots..Prime one shots him...Surfer also got beaten to death by Thanos..Surfer also lost to Namor..Surfer almost got friend by Storms lighting also  Its a ridiculous stomp..Sodam can sit back and laugh as Prime tears the Heralds a new asshole... "

When has the hulk knocked out the Surfer in three shots O.O? If your talking world war hulk when he was cut from the power cosmic, and basically traded blows with the hulk, neither destroying eath other. I wouldn't really call that a knock out. The mythic Namor loss, where Namor knocks him off his board, then begins to chat with him, isn't exactly a loss :P Unless ofcourse I knock you off your skate board, and to avoid getting pulverized myself strike up an interesting conversation that makes you not beat the crap out me is winning. Namor has never beaten the surfer xD  Thanos beat him to death, and the Surfer can absorb anything storm can throw at him, if he is getting fried by bolts of lightling thats PIS.  The Surfer just has a much larger bag of tricks to throw at prime, all prime has going for him is rediculous physical power, and durability. Heat ray vision the surfer soaks up like a spongue.  The Surfer can just suck all them yummy metabolized solar energy(Or his life force :P), and trap him in his board, then drop him off at the nearest red giant :P "

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Prime solos "

" Prime solos "

" @Johnny_Nemesis said:

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Prime solos "

1) Did I say that the Surfer cannot be harmed by physical force? No. And he's fighting Prime here...Not Thanos. Last time I checked, Thanos didn't need yellow sun to draw upon. Which is an energy source that the Surfer can absorb. With Prime's suit, Ion's assistance, and Morg's incompetence, it would be highly improbable to happen here, and that is why I granted them the majority. No, actually, a 10/10 victory.
2) Now we are resorting to True Pwnage tactics. Should I start posting Prime getting punched by the Flashes & the like, or crying out because of the darkness? Please, no more PIS. It's the only low end feat post Annihilation Surfer has, and it surely isn't viable.
3) Problem is, in next page...The Surfer is quite well. They team up with Namor, or something. 
 
So, yes, Prime could solo. But not one shoot. "

" @Hellos said:

" @Johnny_Nemesis said:

" @Hellos said:

" @Johnny_Nemesis said:

"Heralds die Prime 1 shots both of them "

SBP won't be doing that. If SBP and ION win, its going to be because of ION :P  The surfer himself can own any incarnation of supes(Well some not included) via sucking him dry of his lifeforce / metabolized solar energy and all that jazz while being intagible or mind raping him lol.  SS with his rediculous bag of tricks for powers, along with his rediculous control over them > SBP "

Ion is a jobber who cant even beat Mongul without tapping into the Ion power..and he still supposedly died when he did so  Prime one shots both of them...Surfer can only beat regular Superman...Pre Crisis Supes, Superboy Prime and all of the above would slaughter the Heralds  Surfer got knocked out by Hulk in 3 shots..Prime one shots him...Surfer also got beaten to death by Thanos..Surfer also lost to Namor..Surfer almost got friend by Storms lighting also  Its a ridiculous stomp..Sodam can sit back and laugh as Prime tears the Heralds a new asshole... "

When has the hulk knocked out the Surfer in three shots O.O? If your talking world war hulk when he was cut from the power cosmic, and basically traded blows with the hulk, neither destroying eath other. I wouldn't really call that a knock out. The mythic Namor loss, where Namor knocks him off his board, then begins to chat with him, isn't exactly a loss :P Unless ofcourse I knock you off your skate board, and to avoid getting pulverized myself strike up an interesting conversation that makes you not beat the crap out me is winning. Namor has never beaten the surfer xD  Thanos beat him to death, and the Surfer can absorb anything storm can throw at him, if he is getting fried by bolts of lightling thats PIS.  The Surfer just has a much larger bag of tricks to throw at prime, all prime has going for him is rediculous physical power, and durability. Heat ray vision the surfer soaks up like a spongue.  The Surfer can just suck all them yummy metabolized solar energy(Or his life force :P), and trap him in his board, then drop him off at the nearest red giant :P "

It wasnt World war Hulk... Namor won against Surfer..the fight was under water..but Namor still doesnt come close to physical power to SUperman let alone Prime   Thanos beat him to death...and considering that Thanos doesnt have a small fraction of Primes physical strenght or speed..Prime would do just that in a single hit..Surfer has always been incompetent in his fights..Storm frying him is a testament to his poor durability..  Surfer isnt going to survive being hit by Prime...and I already explained on the other thread that Primes body absorbs energy making siphoning him impossible..Red Star and Firestorm tried it and failed  Surfer and Morg get 1 shotted "

" @Johnny_Nemesis said:

" @Hellos said:

" @Johnny_Nemesis said:

" @Hellos said:

" @Johnny_Nemesis said:

"Heralds die Prime 1 shots both of them "

SBP won't be doing that. If SBP and ION win, its going to be because of ION :P  The surfer himself can own any incarnation of supes(Well some not included) via sucking him dry of his lifeforce / metabolized solar energy and all that jazz while being intagible or mind raping him lol.  SS with his rediculous bag of tricks for powers, along with his rediculous control over them > SBP "

Ion is a jobber who cant even beat Mongul without tapping into the Ion power..and he still supposedly died when he did so  Prime one shots both of them...Surfer can only beat regular Superman...Pre Crisis Supes, Superboy Prime and all of the above would slaughter the Heralds  Surfer got knocked out by Hulk in 3 shots..Prime one shots him...Surfer also got beaten to death by Thanos..Surfer also lost to Namor..Surfer almost got friend by Storms lighting also  Its a ridiculous stomp..Sodam can sit back and laugh as Prime tears the Heralds a new asshole... "

When has the hulk knocked out the Surfer in three shots O.O? If your talking world war hulk when he was cut from the power cosmic, and basically traded blows with the hulk, neither destroying eath other. I wouldn't really call that a knock out. The mythic Namor loss, where Namor knocks him off his board, then begins to chat with him, isn't exactly a loss :P Unless ofcourse I knock you off your skate board, and to avoid getting pulverized myself strike up an interesting conversation that makes you not beat the crap out me is winning. Namor has never beaten the surfer xD  Thanos beat him to death, and the Surfer can absorb anything storm can throw at him, if he is getting fried by bolts of lightling thats PIS.  The Surfer just has a much larger bag of tricks to throw at prime, all prime has going for him is rediculous physical power, and durability. Heat ray vision the surfer soaks up like a spongue.  The Surfer can just suck all them yummy metabolized solar energy(Or his life force :P), and trap him in his board, then drop him off at the nearest red giant :P "

It wasnt World war Hulk... Namor won against Surfer..the fight was under water..but Namor still doesnt come close to physical power to SUperman let alone Prime   Thanos beat him to death...and considering that Thanos doesnt have a small fraction of Primes physical strenght or speed..Prime would do just that in a single hit..Surfer has always been incompetent in his fights..Storm frying him is a testament to his poor durability..  Surfer isnt going to survive being hit by Prime...and I already explained on the other thread that Primes body absorbs energy making siphoning him impossible..Red Star and Firestorm tried it and failed  Surfer and Morg get 1 shotted "

Lol how is that a win for Namor, all he did was knock him off his board, the next page he gets up no worse for wear and even summons his board :P He showed no signs of actually being harmed by Namor.  Black Panther's cosmic PIS armbar can beat prime too, considering the fact the Surfer doesn't breath muchless have a windpipe.    - Siphoning should work just fine on prime, the Surfer can take someones life force, sucking out metabolized solar energy shouldn't be difficult at all-   Theres absolutely no reason for this not to be effective against prime.The only reason I don't bring up him turning SBP into a statue is because of the "Resistance" supermen apparently have to matter manipulation (Will power totally beats someone manipulating your atoms xD, right?) which I guess somehow their healing factor prevents (Which is total BS, that doesn't make any sense).  The surfer can turn intagible, mind rape SBP (There is nothing that proves telepathy doesn't have any effect on him), phase his hand through SBP skull and squeeze his brain (hes never done this, and never will but hey it would look cool) :P Blast him with energy more then able to destroy a planet he can make them composed of red solar energy.  Post An SS has no problems with getting down to buisness killing his opponent. What else can someone like SS who is, even said by Galactus, to be exceptionally gifted with the use of power cosmic, do to Superboy Prime. "

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @Johnny_Nemesis said:

"

Prime solos "

1) Did I say that the Surfer cannot be harmed by physical force? No. And he's fighting Prime here...Not Thanos. Last time I checked, Thanos didn't need yellow sun to draw upon. Which is an energy source that the Surfer can absorb. With Prime's suit, Ion's assistance, and Morg's incompetence, it would be highly improbable to happen here, and that is why I granted them the majority. No, actually, a 10/10 victory.
2) Now we are resorting to True Pwnage tactics. Should I start posting Prime getting punched by the Flashes & the like, or crying out because of the darkness? Please, no more PIS. It's the only low end feat post Annihilation Surfer has, and it surely isn't viable.
3) Problem is, in next page...The Surfer is quite well. They team up with Namor, or something. 
 
So, yes, Prime could solo. But not one shoot. "

I only posted these in response to Batdance..they arent meant to be taken seriously...so relax "

" @Hellos said:

" @Johnny_Nemesis said:

" @Hellos said:

" @Johnny_Nemesis said:

"Heralds die Prime 1 shots both of them "

SBP won't be doing that. If SBP and ION win, its going to be because of ION :P  The surfer himself can own any incarnation of supes(Well some not included) via sucking him dry of his lifeforce / metabolized solar energy and all that jazz while being intagible or mind raping him lol.  SS with his rediculous bag of tricks for powers, along with his rediculous control over them > SBP "

Ion is a jobber who cant even beat Mongul without tapping into the Ion power..and he still supposedly died when he did so  Prime one shots both of them...Surfer can only beat regular Superman...Pre Crisis Supes, Superboy Prime and all of the above would slaughter the Heralds  Surfer got knocked out by Hulk in 3 shots..Prime one shots him...Surfer also got beaten to death by Thanos..Surfer also lost to Namor..Surfer almost got friend by Storms lighting also  Its a ridiculous stomp..Sodam can sit back and laugh as Prime tears the Heralds a new asshole... "

When has the hulk knocked out the Surfer in three shots O.O? If your talking world war hulk when he was cut from the power cosmic, and basically traded blows with the hulk, neither destroying eath other. I wouldn't really call that a knock out. The mythic Namor loss, where Namor knocks him off his board, then begins to chat with him, isn't exactly a loss :P Unless ofcourse I knock you off your skate board, and to avoid getting pulverized myself strike up an interesting conversation that makes you not beat the crap out me is winning. Namor has never beaten the surfer xD  Thanos beat him to death, and the Surfer can absorb anything storm can throw at him, if he is getting fried by bolts of lightling thats PIS.  The Surfer just has a much larger bag of tricks to throw at prime, all prime has going for him is rediculous physical power, and durability. Heat ray vision the surfer soaks up like a spongue.  The Surfer can just suck all them yummy metabolized solar energy(Or his life force :P), and trap him in his board, then drop him off at the nearest red giant :P "

It wasnt World war Hulk... Namor won against Surfer..the fight was under water..but Namor still doesnt come close to physical power to SUperman let alone Prime   Thanos beat him to death...and considering that Thanos doesnt have a small fraction of Primes physical strenght or speed..Prime would do just that in a single hit..Surfer has always been incompetent in his fights..Storm frying him is a testament to his poor durability..  Surfer isnt going to survive being hit by Prime...and I already explained on the other thread that Primes body absorbs energy making siphoning him impossible..Red Star and Firestorm tried it and failed  Surfer and Morg get 1 shotted "

" Siphoning wouldnt work because it was already tried on Prime and it failed.. "

"The only hope you might have given Surfer is going intangible..and he will be dead long before he has a chance to do that or even thinks about doing that "

" the only 2 characters I can think of that can get past this rule are Sersi and current Firestorm . "

" ..Prime survived universal destruction with no apparent damage  Surfer gets 1 shotted.. "

Super-MAN

1. This was long before Planet Hulk 
2. The fact that Namor was able to knock Surfer off his board shows that Surfer has low durability and reflexes
3. The point is that Surfer can be hurt and even killed by physical force..someone far weaker then Prime with no super human speed nailed Surfer..and this isnt the first time he has been tagged by slow grounded bricks..Their is nothing stopping Prime from hitting Surfer 2 or 3 times killing him instnatly
 
4. Ill give you that..but Surfers durability is still pfft in comparison to other characters
 
5. Redstar and Firestorm arent on Surfers level individually..their combined efforts dwarf Surfers

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" Siphoning wouldnt work because it was already tried on Prime and it failed.. "

 Scans!?
Was he wearing the suit?
Surfer one-shots that stupid suit
 
@Johnny_Nemesis said:

"The only hope you might have given Surfer is going intangible..and he will be dead long before he has a chance to do that or even thinks about doing that "

   Surfer is durable enough to fight another herald while inside a BLACKHOLE, 
he is also FASTER THAN FLASH
Prime dies
 
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" the only 2 characters I can think of that can get past this rule are Sersi and current Firestorm . "

  Surfer's feats totally make Firestorm and Sersi look like bums

@Johnny_Nemesis said:

" ..Prime survived universal destruction with no apparent damage  Surfer gets 1 shotted.. "

 

Super-MAN

Prime and it was PIS
just like beating Mxy, or Sentry beating Galactus or Batman beating Wodner Woman there's a lot of BS in comics because some nuts think the Silver Age was actually good for someic
 
Speed and Prime dies or has a mental break down 

Red solar rads Prime dies
 
Junior High Prime has no chance "

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"Heralds die Prime 1 shots both of them "

SBP won't be doing that. If SBP and ION win, its going to be because of ION :P  The surfer himself can own any incarnation of supes(Well some not included) via sucking him dry of his lifeforce / metabolized solar energy and all that jazz while being intagible or mind raping him lol.  SS with his rediculous bag of tricks for powers, along with his rediculous control over them > SBP "

Ion is a jobber who cant even beat Mongul without tapping into the Ion power..and he still supposedly died when he did so  Prime one shots both of them...Surfer can only beat regular Superman...Pre Crisis Supes, Superboy Prime and all of the above would slaughter the Heralds  Surfer got knocked out by Hulk in 3 shots..Prime one shots him...Surfer also got beaten to death by Thanos..Surfer also lost to Namor..Surfer almost got friend by Storms lighting also  Its a ridiculous stomp..Sodam can sit back and laugh as Prime tears the Heralds a new asshole... "

When has the hulk knocked out the Surfer in three shots O.O? If your talking world war hulk when he was cut from the power cosmic, and basically traded blows with the hulk, neither destroying eath other. I wouldn't really call that a knock out. The mythic Namor loss, where Namor knocks him off his board, then begins to chat with him, isn't exactly a loss :P Unless ofcourse I knock you off your skate board, and to avoid getting pulverized myself strike up an interesting conversation that makes you not beat the crap out me is winning. Namor has never beaten the surfer xD  Thanos beat him to death, and the Surfer can absorb anything storm can throw at him, if he is getting fried by bolts of lightling thats PIS.  The Surfer just has a much larger bag of tricks to throw at prime, all prime has going for him is rediculous physical power, and durability. Heat ray vision the surfer soaks up like a spongue.  The Surfer can just suck all them yummy metabolized solar energy(Or his life force :P), and trap him in his board, then drop him off at the nearest red giant :P "

It wasnt World war Hulk... Namor won against Surfer..the fight was under water..but Namor still doesnt come close to physical power to SUperman let alone Prime   Thanos beat him to death...and considering that Thanos doesnt have a small fraction of Primes physical strenght or speed..Prime would do just that in a single hit..Surfer has always been incompetent in his fights..Storm frying him is a testament to his poor durability..  Surfer isnt going to survive being hit by Prime...and I already explained on the other thread that Primes body absorbs energy making siphoning him impossible..Red Star and Firestorm tried it and failed  Surfer and Morg get 1 shotted "

Lol how is that a win for Namor, all he did was knock him off his board, the next page he gets up no worse for wear and even summons his board :P He showed no signs of actually being harmed by Namor.  Black Panther's cosmic PIS armbar can beat prime too, considering the fact the Surfer doesn't breath muchless have a windpipe.    - Siphoning should work just fine on prime, the Surfer can take someones life force, sucking out metabolized solar energy shouldn't be difficult at all-   Theres absolutely no reason for this not to be effective against prime.The only reason I don't bring up him turning SBP into a statue is because of the "Resistance" supermen apparently have to matter manipulation (Will power totally beats someone manipulating your atoms xD, right?) which I guess somehow their healing factor prevents (Which is total BS, that doesn't make any sense).  The surfer can turn intagible, mind rape SBP (There is nothing that proves telepathy doesn't have any effect on him), phase his hand through SBP skull and squeeze his brain (hes never done this, and never will but hey it would look cool) :P Blast him with energy more then able to destroy a planet he can make them composed of red solar energy.  Post An SS has no problems with getting down to buisness killing his opponent. What else can someone like SS who is, even said by Galactus, to be exceptionally gifted with the use of power cosmic, do to Superboy Prime. "

Siphoning wouldnt work because it was already tried on Prime and it failed...I already said this Mind raping wouldnt work because superior Psychics have failed to psionically assault Prime, both in IC and LO3W The only hope you might have given Surfer is going intangible..and he will be dead long before he has a chance to do that or even thinks about doing that   The reason matter manipulation doesnt work on Superman is because the more durable and tougher a substance is the harder it is to transmute it...the only 2 characters I can think of that can get past this rule are Sersi and current Firestorm  Surfers blast wouldnt even tickle Prime...Prime survived universal destruction with no apparent damage  Surfer gets 1 shotted.. "

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"Heralds die Prime 1 shots both of them "

SBP won't be doing that. If SBP and ION win, its going to be because of ION :P  The surfer himself can own any incarnation of supes(Well some not included) via sucking him dry of his lifeforce / metabolized solar energy and all that jazz while being intagible or mind raping him lol.  SS with his rediculous bag of tricks for powers, along with his rediculous control over them > SBP "

Ion is a jobber who cant even beat Mongul without tapping into the Ion power..and he still supposedly died when he did so  Prime one shots both of them...Surfer can only beat regular Superman...Pre Crisis Supes, Superboy Prime and all of the above would slaughter the Heralds  Surfer got knocked out by Hulk in 3 shots..Prime one shots him...Surfer also got beaten to death by Thanos..Surfer also lost to Namor..Surfer almost got friend by Storms lighting also  Its a ridiculous stomp..Sodam can sit back and laugh as Prime tears the Heralds a new asshole... "

When has the hulk knocked out the Surfer in three shots O.O? If your talking world war hulk when he was cut from the power cosmic, and basically traded blows with the hulk, neither destroying eath other. I wouldn't really call that a knock out. The mythic Namor loss, where Namor knocks him off his board, then begins to chat with him, isn't exactly a loss :P Unless ofcourse I knock you off your skate board, and to avoid getting pulverized myself strike up an interesting conversation that makes you not beat the crap out me is winning. Namor has never beaten the surfer xD  Thanos beat him to death, and the Surfer can absorb anything storm can throw at him, if he is getting fried by bolts of lightling thats PIS.  The Surfer just has a much larger bag of tricks to throw at prime, all prime has going for him is rediculous physical power, and durability. Heat ray vision the surfer soaks up like a spongue.  The Surfer can just suck all them yummy metabolized solar energy(Or his life force :P), and trap him in his board, then drop him off at the nearest red giant :P "

It wasnt World war Hulk... Namor won against Surfer..the fight was under water..but Namor still doesnt come close to physical power to SUperman let alone Prime   Thanos beat him to death...and considering that Thanos doesnt have a small fraction of Primes physical strenght or speed..Prime would do just that in a single hit..Surfer has always been incompetent in his fights..Storm frying him is a testament to his poor durability..  Surfer isnt going to survive being hit by Prime...and I already explained on the other thread that Primes body absorbs energy making siphoning him impossible..Red Star and Firestorm tried it and failed  Surfer and Morg get 1 shotted "

Lol how is that a win for Namor, all he did was knock him off his board, the next page he gets up no worse for wear and even summons his board :P He showed no signs of actually being harmed by Namor.  Black Panther's cosmic PIS armbar can beat prime too, considering the fact the Surfer doesn't breath muchless have a windpipe.    - Siphoning should work just fine on prime, the Surfer can take someones life force, sucking out metabolized solar energy shouldn't be difficult at all-   Theres absolutely no reason for this not to be effective against prime.The only reason I don't bring up him turning SBP into a statue is because of the "Resistance" supermen apparently have to matter manipulation (Will power totally beats someone manipulating your atoms xD, right?) which I guess somehow their healing factor prevents (Which is total BS, that doesn't make any sense).  The surfer can turn intagible, mind rape SBP (There is nothing that proves telepathy doesn't have any effect on him), phase his hand through SBP skull and squeeze his brain (hes never done this, and never will but hey it would look cool) :P Blast him with energy more then able to destroy a planet he can make them composed of red solar energy.  Post An SS has no problems with getting down to buisness killing his opponent. What else can someone like SS who is, even said by Galactus, to be exceptionally gifted with the use of power cosmic, do to Superboy Prime. "

Siphoning wouldnt work because it was already tried on Prime and it failed...I already said this Mind raping wouldnt work because superior Psychics have failed to psionically assault Prime, both in IC and LO3W The only hope you might have given Surfer is going intangible..and he will be dead long before he has a chance to do that or even thinks about doing that   The reason matter manipulation doesnt work on Superman is because the more durable and tougher a substance is the harder it is to transmute it...the only 2 characters I can think of that can get past this rule are Sersi and current Firestorm  Surfers blast wouldnt even tickle Prime...Prime survived universal destruction with no apparent damage  Surfer gets 1 shotted.. "

It doesn't matter how durable you are, the guy converts matter into energy effortlessly, just like his boss, the big G. The healing factor nonsense makes more sense. If someone is toying with your atoms, your aren't stopping that.  SS wasn't the one doing the siphoning. It is his easy win against the Hulk, and will work just fine on SBP, it doesn't even matter what he is siphoning, SBP's metabolized solar energy, life force, ext. A universal buster attack directed at Prime would kill him, far less force has been able to harm him, lets not kid ourselves here, he is not that durable. He can survive the destroction of a universe for some reason, but not a universe destroying attack.  Ultimate Nullifier > SBP  The Surfer doesn't get one shotted. Your giving wayyy to much credit to prime, who has gotten hurt by lesser means :P But if we want to bring current incarnations of the characters against one another, SS CURBSTOMP. Prime only wins this fight by one way, physical brute force. Thats it, not by tryin to blitz the Surfer, not through heat ray vision, and certaintly not through out smarting him. "

"1. This was long before Planet Hulk  2. The fact that Namor was able to knock Surfer off his board shows that Surfer has low durability and reflexes 3. The point is that Surfer can be hurt and even killed by physical force..someone far weaker then Prime with no super human speed nailed Surfer..and this isnt the first time he has been tagged by slow grounded bricks..Their is nothing stopping Prime from hitting Surfer 2 or 3 times killing him instnatly  4. Ill give you that..but Surfers durability is still pfft in comparison to other characters  5. Redstar and Firestorm arent on Surfers level individually..their combined efforts dwarf Surfers "

" @Johnny_Nemesis said:

"1. This was long before Planet Hulk  2. The fact that Namor was able to knock Surfer off his board shows that Surfer has low durability and reflexes 3. The point is that Surfer can be hurt and even killed by physical force..someone far weaker then Prime with no super human speed nailed Surfer..and this isnt the first time he has been tagged by slow grounded bricks..Their is nothing stopping Prime from hitting Surfer 2 or 3 times killing him instnatly  4. Ill give you that..but Surfers durability is still pfft in comparison to other characters  5. Redstar and Firestorm arent on Surfers level individually..their combined efforts dwarf Surfers "

Thats complete nonsense man, it doesn't show his durability is weak in anyway, it just shows Namor underwater can knock him off his board. Thats it lol. He didn't even hurt him at all. Does it actually look like the Surfer was hurt after Namor knocked him off his board?  No. Perfectly fine and ready to OBLIDERATE Namor. I just don't see how anyone can count that as a win for Namor, hes lucky this wasn't a Surfer that would just blow him away with a cosmic blast.  The only win Namor gets out of that fight is the Surfer choosing not killing him. "

" I give Prime all the credit he deserves..and heat vision would also kill Surfer "

Right...because Primes HV...That can burn through Superman and vaporize the source wall..cant harm Surfer..../rolls eyes