@jayskee: When he face inferior people he always holds back. This is his problem. Eventually Batman's skills, tactical intellect and gadgets will give him the win. =]
" @jayskee: When he face inferior people he always holds back. This is his problem. Eventually Batman's skills, tactical intellect and gadgets will give him the win. =] "
If spiderman knew who he was fighting he wouldn't hold back.
@mavfan626: Spider-man holds back against almost everyone, even at some of his villains, except the extremely dangerous ones. Against Batman, who look like a normal human and he is normal human, he should hold back against him. =]
(Note: Taken from the Utility Belt page here on the Vine)
Batarangs are part throwing star, part boomerang. Batman carries a wide variety, ranging from blunt impact to slashing to edged ones dipped in tranquilizers.
Bat-cuffs are bat shaped handcuffs. They are diamond coated nylon, and because of their one-piece design they have to be cut off using a special tool.
Bat-Tracers, tracking devices that Batman uses when he can't follow the villain closely
Communications devices.
Darts dipped in tranquilizer.
Evidence bags (after all, he is a detective)
Grappling hook.
Grapple gun.
Kryptonite ring, given to him by Superman and stored in a lead box for use against the Man of Steel or other Kryptonians.
Laser torch, which is a miniature laser used as a cutting tool.
Lock Pick.
Micro Camera.
Mini toolkit.
Night Vision goggles, (although as of recent, they have been built into the cowl).
Rebreather - a limited amount of air for when the caped crusader suddenly find himself in deep water.
Smoke Pellets, used to knock out opponents or to provide a distraction.
Stun (Flash-Bang) grenades, a grenade that emits a bright flash of light and a loud noise, used to disorient opponents.
@ShiZZmAhh: And Bruce is fast enough to dodge the webbing as other people with equal or inferior speed has done. Also you can not dodge the sound. @Andferne: As you can see, there is the stun grenades that as it states, it can emit bright flash or loud noise.
Also, batman does not really need gadgets. His peak physical stats with a combination of his tactical intellect and nerve strikes should allow him to take a slight edge over Peter. His gadgets are just bonus...lol =]
@spidey 15: You mean the same grenades that can easily be webbed up. Easily dodged or avoided. Or even reversed. Thanks to Spider-mans spider-sense and his greater speed (reaction time) he could just as easily web up the grenade or batarang once it's thrown and sling it back at Bats. Using his own stuff against him.
As for the second part. I disagree. The reason we see people that are peak human or near peak human give Spidey a run for his money has more to do with them knowing him, imo at least. Both Daredevil and Cap (who are the most likely examples used) have extensive knowledge of Peter. This plays hugely in their favor. If this is Spider-man using his abilities (even while holding back) then Bats won't touch him. Spider-man could just as easily win this fight with one strike.
" @ShiZZmAhh: And Bruce is fast enough to dodge the webbing as other people with equal or inferior speed has done. Also you can not dodge the sound. @Andferne: As you can see, there is the stun grenades that as it states, it can emit bright flash or loud noise. Also, batman does not really need gadgets. His peak physical stats with a combination of his tactical intellect and nerve strikes should allow him to take a slight edge over Peter. His gadgets are just bonus...lol =] "
andferne has stated that spiderman can web thrown or fired objects in mid flight, and i have to disagree on your second point. batman definitely needs gadgets to even have a chance here. spiderman is what, a 20-25 tonner? he has bats beat in speed, agility, and strength. plus he has spidersense. batman is physically outmatched.
@Andferne: Spidey tends to web the bullets because he knows how dangerous and lethal a bullet can be. Even if his spider-sense would warn him of the danger that is coming, spidey is not aware what this thing is and it's not in his characters to web every singly projectile. Of course it depends on what projectiles are. Bullets can easily harm Pete, so we see him sometimes webbing them. Projectiles from bullseye can cause great damage too so he webs some of his projectiles. But i don't see happening the same here, especially when Pete does not know much about his opponent's gear.
Shang chi and Iron fist were able to give him a good fight too and i doubt if they knew much about spidey at all in their first encounter. Also when spidey is holding back, he gets hits from slower people than him, so i don't see why Bruce won't be able to hit him with a nerve strike or with some well placed punches. And it's not in spidey's character to one shot his opponents, except if the conditions make him to use his powers at a greater level. Something that it's not happening here.
@ShiZZmAhh:
andferne has stated that spiderman can web thrown or fired objects in mid flight, and i have to disagree on your second point. batman definitely needs gadgets to even have a chance here. spiderman is what, a 20-25 tonner? he has bats beat in speed, agility, and strength. plus he has spidersense. batman is physically outmatched.
And i have stated that it's not in spidey's character to web every single projectile, especially when he is not aware of what this projectile can do. Also spidey is a 10 tonner. Batman being physically outmatched it's not that huge problem because Pete tends to hold back all the time. That's why you see many slower people than him being able to tag him. =]
"Spidey tends to web the bullets because he knows how dangerous and lethal a bullet can be. Even if his spider-sense would warn him of the danger that is coming, spidey is not aware what this thing is and it's not in his characters to web every singly projectile. Of course it depends on what projectiles are. Bullets can easily harm Pete, so we see him sometimes webbing them. Projectiles from bullseye can cause great damage too so he webs some of his projectiles. But i don't see happening the same here, especially when Pete does not know much about his opponent's gear. "
You just described several occasions in which Spidey uses the webbing how I described and then said you don't see him doing that in this case. Because he doesn't know much about his opponent? You think he is just going to sit there and let them hit him? Batarangs can look very similar to projectiles Bullseye throws. He even webs Goblin bombs from the various Goblins and there are several other instances too. I think it is a very likely tactic for him to use. Granted he won't have to.
@spidey 15 said:
" Also when spidey is holding back, he gets hits from slower people than him, so i don't see why Bruce won't be able to hit him with a nerve strike or with some well placed punches. And it's not in spidey's character to one shot his opponents, except if the conditions make him to use his powers at a greater level. Something that it's not happening here. "
Let's put the shoe on the other foot. People talk about Batman and nerve strikes all the time these days. He is as likely to try something like that as Spider-man is to do what I described above. The fact remains that all Spidey has to do is web Bats up, which is is more than capable of doing. Without prep or prior knowledge Bats shouldn't stand a chance. Being the physically inferior combatant here already places him at the disadvantage. He has No clue what so ever on what Spidey is capable of. Now the same can be said for Peter, but he has the distinct advantage of being a lot stronger, a lot faster, more durable, more agile, and having that nifty spider-sense.
You mentioned conditions. What conditions? The original post never specified anything. So for that matter Spider-man one shots him before he can react. But where is the fun in that.
@spidey 15: u are correct about his strength, however im pretty sure ive seen scans that would put him above that range. anyways, andferne pretty much summed up any of the points that i would have made lol.
You just described several occasions in which Spidey uses the webbing how I described and then said you don't see him doing that in this case. Because he doesn't know much about his opponent? You think he is just going to sit there and let them hit him? Batarangs can look very similar to projectiles Bullseye throws. He even webs Goblin bombs from the various Goblins and there are several other instances too. I think it is a very likely tactic for him to use. Granted he won't have to.
I have named occasions where there was a reason that spidey should web projectiles. Everyone knows how lethal bullets can be and how dangerous Lester's attacks are. Not only a batarang does not seem that lethal, Peter is more likely to dodge it other than webbing it? Which is more constant for Pete. To web attacks that he knows how dangerous are or dodging almost every projectile that is thrown at him, including bullets and Lester's projectiles. Rarely we see Pete webbing attacks. And even in theses occasions he does both, dodging and webbing. Obviously, dodging attacks it's more in his character.
Let's put the shoe on the other foot. People talk about Batman and nerve strikes all the time these days. He is as likely to try something like that as Spider-man is to do what I described above. The fact remains that all Spidey has to do is web Bats up, which is is more than capable of doing. Without prep or prior knowledge Bats shouldn't stand a chance. Being the physically inferior combatant here already places him at the disadvantage. He has No clue what so ever on what Spidey is capable of. Now the same can be said for Peter, but he has the distinct advantage of being a lot stronger, a lot faster, more durable, more agile, and having that nifty spider-sense.
As far as i know, Bruce does not underestimate his opponents and after he will realize spidey's durability( after landing some hits ) his next attack will most likely be a nerve strike or he might use one of his gadgets. Spider-man can web Batman, but it will be far from easy and considering how stupid he fights most of the time against inferior people, he does not use his powers/ advantages in a great level. Bruce has no clue but he will learn some of Pete's abilites during the fight. Since he won't one shot Batman, Pete basically gives the chance to him, to realize how powerful he is.
You mentioned conditions. What conditions? The original post never specified anything. So for that matter Spider-man one shots him before he can react. But where is the fun in that.
Damn, i forgot that battle rules, state that if there are no conditions( morals, location etc..) characters are fighting at their best. In that case Peter should win. =]
" @spidey 15: u are correct about his strength, however im pretty sure ive seen scans that would put him above that range. anyways, andferne pretty much summed up any of the points that i would have made lol. "
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