Your team will be gathered in a pure white room with only a couch, a table (with chairs) and a water cooler. They will be given fifteen minutes with a set of dossiers to the opposing team to potentially form a plan against them and also to learn their teammates strengths and weaknesses.
The team is teleported to the New Vegas in the Nevada Wasteland, except it is almost entirely abandoned save a few rogue Servitrons wandering around.
Mortein is Red, Jwalser3 is Blue.
All buildings can be entered and looted for items that you would normally find within a casino e.g. bottles of alcohol and cigarettes with lighters, allowing your team to create some makeshift weapons.
As the objective is the elimination of the opposing team, this can be achieved however your individual team members may be willing as anything goes (e.g. Knocking Out, Incapacitating, Killing). Once the winning team has defeated their opponents, they will be returned to the White Room (fully healed) with the next set of dossiers for the next match.
First of all I'll have to admit that do not fully understand the map, is this all one building or many smaller ones?
Inside the room they'll talk about the tactics, they'll talk about their powers and abilities, and about what they know about the opposing team etc.
The plan will be for Usopp to find some high place to hide from which he'll be able to observe everything, and Spawn and DP will get out in the open and start waiting for the opposing team. Usopp will mention how he never used this kind of gun, so Spawn and DP will show him how to use it, with Spawn suggesting it might be the best if Usopp stayed in the white room.
DP will complain about that "Hey why wouldn't I stay in the white room"
Onto which Spawn will reply "Fine, it's not like I need you out there"
DP get's semi-angry "You want to take all the credit for yourself, hell no we're all going in! Right long-nose!"
Usopp starts sweating "Well you know, if you think I'll be a liability for you, I mean if you want me to stay I'll.."
DP yells "Nonsense my long nosed friend, you're the main pillar of this entire group, without you everything collapses, and everything becomes meaningless. I mean if you stay here there will be no one to see how I took out the opposing team all by my self and this corpse looking creep with a super regeneration and a weird mask will try to take all the credit!"
Spawn: Enough talking, let's get going!
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To be honest, I feel like the opposing team is completely outclassed here. I honestly think for the reasons which I'll state below, that Usopp will manage to take out the enemies before DP and Spawn even find them. He will search for a high and secure ground, looting stuff on his way up, and once he finds a perfect spot he'll focus, he'll see his opponents, and he'll shot them.
Usopp is a genius weapon maker and one of the best snipers in the OP world, on his way to become the best. He has shown the ability to accurately shot with any weapon he ever used, and his accuracy feats are insane.
Let's start with some more modest ones
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First time he ever used a cannon.
But over time he improved dramatically both in speed and accuracy.
Here he mouth shoted a dozen zombie animals with a little piece of salt, in a second.
He was sniping down marine soldiers from a huge distance while the strong wind was blowing
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Or the way he launched bunch of rocks and sea stone chains, and sea stone chains got right around CC's neck
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But the main reason why I picked him up for my team is his latest feat where he unlocked observation haki and managed to hit a small space between to iron bars on a window from the other side of the town using several explosions in the process. It sound confusing so just take a look at the feat.
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Basically, the target was so far away you couldn't even see it with your ayes, it was behind the wall and miles away on some semi-mountain. He fired a projectile which then exploded in the air, and propelled a second projectile wich then exploded and propelled a third projectile which was just barely small enough to pass through a window and get to it's target.
This little girl Usopp was targeting has a power to turn anyone into a toy with a touch, and Usopp traumatized he so much in their previous fight she now collapses out of fear if she sees Usopps face. And this woman that's helping Usopp has the ability to see everything that's 4000 km around her.
With his haki Usopp will be able to locate his enemies anywhere on the map, even through the walls, with his accuracy he will be able to tag them, and with his adamantium bullets he will be able to penetrate the walls and the bones of his opponents.
So I'm wondering how will they survive Usopp?
But just in case they manage to survive long enough to meet Spawn and DP, they would again be outclassed.
Spawn
All you need to know about him can be found in these 6 Videos, and I'll be your guide.
Technically this is not offensive telepathy move, but if you take into consideration that he lived as an soldier and mercenary and then his friend burned him alive, and then he went to hell where he was tortured by demons for 5 years just to return back to the Earth as a Hell Spawn, his memories might be somewhat disturbing for some people to say the least.
Healing others
Video 2.1 (0:49:10) here he healed his friend from a gun shot wound.
Tossing a helicopter at some rat monster while dressed as spider-man and slapping Chameleon so hard he went flying out from the window. (picture are in order 3,1,2)
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Fighting some demon ninjas with teleportation.
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Fighting against Dracula's army, and among them a werewolf-centaur with a symbiot .
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Fighting Taskmaster while being tied
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Fighting a bunch of heroes
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Fighting X-man
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Fighting Crossbones
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Breaking arms and necks
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Cutting stuff
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Fighting a giant sea monster
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Defeating Dracula and stealing his woman.
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Killing bunch of mercenaries, breaking necks, lifting heavy stuff.
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Healing
Cursed with immortality, DP can heal his entire body in no time.
Ussop unconsciously activated his haki and has no real control over it atm. Makes it kinda unfair to suggest he would be able to use it in this battle IMO.
Alongside this, implanting memories in an opponents head to distract them still is offensive telepathy. TP can only be used for sharing memories between teammates, keeping a conscious link between teammates or doing a general sweep of the area.
@mortein: Okay sup, sup, sup? Sorry for he day late post. But let my side up and rolling.
My side of the Hood
So i don't know if you noticed but my whole team starts right next to or inside(I can't tell) the NCR station. They would have basic melee weapons, guns, etc. in their armory. Hick and Cap will be like a kid in a toy store when the raid the place and make a plan. So my team should be more prepared then yours.
Game plan
Another thing my team has an advantage over is tactical thinking. Cap is an experienced soldier including Hicks. Remember in the Avenger when Cap laid out a game plan to the police?
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Just simple stuff like so just show his tactical mind. I believe he is more then capable of pulling off a form of attack to lead his team to victory.
MVP
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Clark Kent a.k.a. Daredevil. Probably my MVP fighter on this this team. His radar sense, agility and skill will carry this to to victory!
Skill
So. I noticed you have Deadpool on your team. Our guys have crossed paths plenty of times before...
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Daredevil has had no probably evading and keeping up with Deadpool. If he really wanted to he can semi easily subdue him. When they meet out in the middle of the road, Deadpool will not last that long.
Matt will also be my security system. With his senses he will be able to locate Pinocchio before he even gets a shot off.
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So really, long nose shouldn't be a huge problem. All of my team can evade bullets at close range, 2/3s can deflect them. So while you do have a very very good marksmen, my team can just as easily evade his shots.
Plus DD doesn't have his clubs, he has a teaser club. That means those wild things he does with his, has a little extra shock to it. So not only will your team suffer blunt damage, but they will be stunned by his hits.
Just to give you an idea.
If you take a look at his durability feats against blunt and energy based attacks, no one in your team can dish enough to take him out. D.D. will be able to fight him, but it would take just 1 wrong move and he would die.
There is already evidence to show that DD has no real problem with Deadpool. A mixture of pressure points and hits from the teaser should subdue him:
I've got no doubt that D.D. is at least as agile and fast as DP, but he really has no way of putting him down.
In the first scans you showed how Daredevil tied DP, but in the very next page DP set himself free. DP was chasing a shapeshifter and trying to save the world, when he was interrupted by a DD. DP's goal was to get rid of DD as soon as possible so he could continue his chase and DD's goal was to stop DP, so technically DP is the one who accomplished his objective in this short skirmish. So at first he underestimated DD, thinking he's not a real DD, then he tried to reason with him, while DD was trying to subdue him. After DD tied him up DP tried to reason with him some more and when that failed he freed himself in a second and got rid of DD the hard way, then he caught a shapeshifter and broke his neck.
In the second DD vs DP fight you posted, the fight ended up with DP holding a gun on DD's head.
While DD is slightly more skillful and has slightly better agility, DP is much stronger, much much more durable, and has insane healing factor.
Pressure points are not easy to hit, in fact it is at least 10 times harder to poke someones pressure point than it is to slash someone with a sword, and DD is not 10 times more skillful that DP. Do you really think that DD will be able to poke with a hand a certain specific point on DP's fast moving body, before DP slashes him with a sword? I'm not saying it's impossible, but odds are clearly stacked against DD, especially if you take into consideration that they will fight under the constant watch of my sniper, waiting for the perfect opportunity to shoot.
And even if DD hits some of his pressure point, I think he'll be disappointed with the effect, or lack thereof, they would have on DP.
Let's take a look at what pressure points are:
"There are several types of pressure points — each is applied differently and each creates a different effect. "Pain points", for example, use tendons, ligaments, and muscles; the goal is to temporarily immobilize the target, or, at the very least, to distract them. "Reflex points" produce involuntary movements, for example, causing the hand to release its grip, the knees to buckle, the target to gag, or even for the person to be knocked unconscious. Most pressure points are located on pathways on the nervous system.
Pain
Some pressure points produce pain when struck, pressed, or rubbed, depending on the point itself. These points are also referred to as nerve centers. While the distraction of pain might offer sufficient advantage in a fight or escape, the body has a pain withdrawal reflex, whereby it reacts to pain by moving away from the source.Martial artists can use this reflex with minimal effort."
It's quite obvious just by looking at some of these pictures that DP's nervous system is not normal, and his perception of pain is not normal. It seems like he feels less pain when he gets shredded into pieces than normal people do when they bite their tongue. Using pain based attacks against Deadpool seem like a worst possible tactic.
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"Blood and blood pressure
The baroreceptors in the carotid artery are pressure-sensitive, supplying the brain with information to control systemic blood pressure. Pressure against this region will send signals that indicate that blood pressure is too high, leading to a lowering of blood pressure.
He manages to remain conscious even when he has nothing left but his head, hell he was able to think even while he was just a pile of ashes. No way DD could knock him out with cheap tricks like this.
"Break
There are certain areas that are likely to lead to a break if struck effectively, such as the "floating ribs", the philtrum, and the side of the knee."
Considering DP's durability, even hitting these points probably wouldn't do much damage to DP, and even if it did some damage he would recover in a second.
"Hyper-extension
There are joints that, when struck, can be hyper-extended and even tear. The striking of these joints can permanently damage one's opponent as well as cause shock damage. There are two types, as follows:
· Brute force takes advantage of the vulnerability of the strike point, usually a joint, thereby causing damage.
· Golgi organ strike, a relatively gentle strike to the Golgi tendon at the back of the elbow, which triggers a reflex that immediately relaxes the tendon, allowing the elbow to bend more easily in the wrong direction. If this is directly followed by a solid strike to the elbow joint, the elbow can be broken with significantly less effort than it could through brute force."
D.D. is likely going to be too weak to overcome DP durability even if he used this, but even if he manages to do some damage to DP's body, he'll heal in a second
"Concussion
The brain is a sensitive organ which floats in cerebrospinal fluid. The fluid is a safety mechanism that allows the head to take substantial impact without resulting in concussion, although such an impact could still cause permanent brain damage. However, it is possible to deliver a blow using artful techniques so that even these protections can be effectively eliminated, causing disorientation or instantaneous knockout. The most commonly taught technique involves a strike just below theoccipital ridge, at the correct angle, in the correct direction. Another well-known point with this effect is the chin or lower jaw, giving rise to the boxing expression a "glass jaw"."
Take a look at feats posted above, where he tanked punches to head which are far more powerful than D.D. could ever dream to be able to preform. No amount of skill could ever be sufficient to compensate for such a enormous lack of strength and power.
If you take a look at his durability feats against blunt and energy based attacks, no one in your team can dish enough to take him out. D.D. will be able to fight him, but it would take just 1 wrong move and he would die. All DD can do is prolong the inevitable.
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There are many things dodging a bullet can mean:
There's aim dodging where you're not really dodging a bullet, but rather you are stepping aside just the moment before your opponent pulls the trigger.
Some characters also move and jump around in such a way that makes them hard to hit, and by doing this they are not really dodging bullets, but rather their opponent is missing them.
But there's also a real bullet dodging which is when a bullet already leaves the barrel and is traveling towards a character, and then character moves to a side and dodges a bullet.
People tend to evaluate all bullet dodging feats the same, which couldn't be farther from the truth.
That being said I do not think that D.D. would dodge a bullet from Usopp.
Assuming Usopp is hundreds of meters far from D.D. silently hidden and watching them through his scope, would D.D. be able to sense him? Maybe he could smell him, if the wind is blowing in the right direction. But this is Usopp we are talking about here, since he'll know that D.D. has a super smell and super hearing, he'll probably use something to cover up his scent and a scent of his gun powered, in a similar way he covered up a smell of explosive gas in his fight against Luffy, he's known for these kind of things, he uses tricks, distractions or distorts and attacks other people's senses in almost every fight.
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What exactly is he going to do against DDs super smell and hearing it's impossible to know, since I don't know what will be available for him. If it was me, I might clog the toilets and break sewer pipes to let stinky water flow down the streets, then I would cover myself in this smell, then I would turn on a loud music in strip clubs, casinos and bars. This way my smell would be indistinguishable from the rest of the street, and there's no way he could hear my heart beating from all the noise coming from nearby bars and casinos.
But I'm sure Usopp would come up with something better than I can.
And if he manages to locate him over such a big distance, even with all the steps Usopp will take to hide himself, what can he do exactly?
Sniper bullet travels faster than the speed of sound, and by the time D.D. hears the gun firing, bullet would already enter his body. So how would he know when to start dodging?
But let's ignore D.D. for a little bit.
What can the other 2 guys do to avoid getting shot by a hidden sniper? They can't hear the bullet and they can't see it either.
And even if they are fast enough to see a tiny bullet traveling several times faster than the speed of sound , which they are not, it would be enough for them to look in the wrong direction for a fraction of a second and they would never see nor hear the bullet coming.
But lets say some of them do not get sniped down by Usopp.
Spawn would likely wait some time and then he would teleport himself into the Police HQ to take leftover weapons, then while your team is hiding from Usopp, Spawn would attack them from behind, fully armed.
After that DP would arrive from the other direction and started swinging his sword. Spawn might even share some of his weapons with DP. Blunt attacks or bullets will be completely ineffective against DP. Perhaps blunt attacks might do some damage to Spawn, but since he's the strongest one in this fight, I doubt it would be significant amount of damage. On the other hand 1 bullet could take out any one of your team.
Usopp and DP might even wanna try some combo attacks, such as, >>DP hugs captain, Usopp shots DP in the back, bullets goes through his back into captains chest and captain is heavily wounded <<
Ussop unconsciously activated his haki and has no real control over it atm. Makes it kinda unfair to suggest he would be able to use it in this battle IMO.
Alongside this, implanting memories in an opponents head to distract them still is offensive telepathy. TP can only be used for sharing memories between teammates, keeping a conscious link between teammates or doing a general sweep of the area.
It's true that Usopp's haki activated unconsciously when he focused super-hard to locate Sugar, Law and Luffy, but that's still not the same as not having haki. If he focuses to locate his opponents on the map is he really going to fail to activate it again? What if a life of his team mates depends on his haki, will it then be activated? It might be fair to find some kind of middle ground on this subject.
Spawns TP is really not very practical nor effective to be used offensively in a battle, so let's just pretend he doesn't have it for now.
Also I would like to know how big this map is and in which direction is the wind blowing, and how strong it is?
And will the characters have memories from the first round when they get in the second round?
I've been waiting more than 20h for you to edit your post, that's about how much niceness I have.
So it's going to be one of those things eh? Well sorry to tell you sport but I have work in a half an hour and won't be back to play till 10:30 - 11:00. I'll leave you money on the counter to order and pizza and don't forget to brush your teeth.
I've been waiting more than 20h for you to edit your post, that's about how much niceness I have.
So it's going to be one of those things eh? Well sorry to tell you sport but I have work in a half an hour and won't be back to play till 10:30 - 11:00. I'll leave you money on the counter to order and pizza and don't forget to brush your teeth.
haha It's alright no need to hurry, I was just eager to write a rebuttal to some things in your post, sorry about that, I'll try not to be impatient.
Also since I do not know in which time zone you live I can't know what do you mean when you say 10:30 - 11:00.
And also that second set of scans, where DP attaches an iPod to DD. I think that might not be a real DD, I'm not sure but I think that's Iron Fist dressed as DD. You might wanna check that out.
@mortein: Sorry about this wait, I get off work super early today and will be able to finally make an actual rebuttal. It is also getting tricky to get feats for Hicks :P
@mortein: Sorry about this wait, I get off work super early today and will be able to finally make an actual rebuttal. It is also getting tricky to get feats for Hicks :P
Every day I come here in hope that I'll get to respond to your new posts, and each day I end up editing my previously written posts, because there is nothing new to write about. I just feel like you're not putting as much effort in our relationship as I am :(
@mortein: While I understand Deadpool has taken blunt force from stronger people, he hasn't been hit with pressure ponits that can hurt Hammerhead and other foes with better durability stats.
You also seem to forget that D.D. has a teaser baton, not his regularity billy clubs.
What exactly is he going to do against DDs super smell and hearing it's impossible to know, since I don't know what will be available for him. If it was me, I might clog the toilets and break sewer pipes to let stinky water flow down the streets, then I would cover myself in this smell, then I would turn on a loud music in strip clubs, casinos and bars. This way my smell would be indistinguishable from the rest of the street, and there's no way he could hear my heart beating from all the noise coming from nearby bars and casinos.
But I'm sure Usopp would come up with something better than I can.
That's a good idea! But D.D. has already been in situations very similar. In Waid's DD run he fought someone just has fast with a sprinkler system going off. It effected his hearing and smell, D.D. was still able to over come him and win.
Seeing as how you keep on updating your posts I'll have to reread it all and get back to you tonight.
@mortein: While I understand Deadpool has taken blunt force from stronger people, he hasn't been hit with pressure ponits that can hurt Hammerhead and other foes with better durability stats.
seem to forget that D.D. has a teaser baton, not his regularity billy clubs.
D.D. will have a hard time hitting a pressure points of someone who is as fast and almost as skillful as himself. I wrote up there that hitting a pressure point with a hand is many times harder that slashing someone with a sword, and that speed and skill difference between them is big enough for D.D. to hit his pressure points before he gets slashed by a sword.
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Pressure points work in such a way, that when they are perfectly pressured they can create a pain so strong it temporally cripples the victim. Do you see why I think these kind of attacks are unlikely to work against someone who feels barely any pain when he gets ripped to shreds? His perception of pain is simply not normal, which is why it is reasonable to expect that pain based attacks will not have much effect on him.
And even if somehow they do have effect on him, how long will it take to recover, considering how he recovers entire body parts in a second?
Also I do not really understand what are teaser batons suppose to do against DP, who survived lightning strikes from Thor, without losing consciousness, who survived and recovered in seconds from an energy beam which vaporized a dinosaur together with a part of a forest, who endured punches from Hercules and Hulk without getting knocked out, who jumped out of the plane and landed on his face, without getting knocked out or even hurt.
I also do not expect those teaser batons will last long, considering how DP is having an adamantium sword. I think it is likely that DP will try to slash D.D., and D.D. will try to block the sword with his batons, which will then get sliced in half and D.D. could also get slashed in the process when he fails to block the sword. We have seen DP cutting through giant robots with his regular sword, so small batons shouldn't be hard to cut with an adamantium one.
Let's try to compare them
Speed
DP=DD
Agility
DP<DD
Skill
DP<DD
Senses
DP<<<DD (still lets not forget that DD is blind)
however
Strength
DP>>>DD
Durability
DP>>>>>DD
Regeneration speed
DP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DD
One more advantage DP has are flexible morals. What if he defeats someone from your team, put a sword on his throat and then says "Hey Daredevil my friend, you look tired, why don't you take a nap? You've got 2 seconds to knock yourself out with those batons, and I will not kill anyone today. ...1 ...2
That's a good idea! But D.D. has already been in situations very similar. In Waid's DD run he fought someone just has fast with a sprinkler system going off. It effected his hearing and smell, D.D. was still able to over come him and win.
Seeing as how you keep on updating your posts I'll have to reread it all and get back to you tonight.
But has he ever managed to detect a hidden person who took some effort to hide himself from his senses over such a big distance? Usopp will be at least hundreds of meters far away from him.
Both of those snipers you showed were much closer than Usopp will be.
If Usopp sends a bullet towards the DD, what can he do to dodge the bullet, or even acknowledge it, considering how he can't see it (he's blind), he can't hear it (bullet is faster than sound), he can't smell it (bullet is faster than wind)?
All the times I saw him dodging a bullet was from a close range, meaning he was close enough to be able to read the body language of the attacker, and move to the side just the moment before the attacker pulls the trigger, and thus aim dodging, or jumping around so he's hard to hit, thus forcing the attacker to miss him.
But this time Usopp is too far away for DD to read his body language or maybe even to detect him, and he's not going to miss.
This is how I imagine the most likely outcome of this battle.
Your team (black) will be raiding these 2 buildings in search for the best weapons they can find, while Usopp (blue) will run at super speed towards Lucky 38 Casino, DP (red) will run towards your team, and Spawn (violet) will walk behind him.
By the time Usopp hides himself inside the casino, your team will finish raiding those buildings, and start moving towards my team, DP will still be running towards your team, and Spawn will be slowly creeping behind him.
And then BOOM, Usopp snipes down one guy from your team (lets say Hicks, since he seems to be the weakest of your team, and I don't know much about him :)).
After Usopp shots Hicks, the rest of your team hides behind the closest building. After hearing the shot, Spawn teleports himself to police HQ or NCR military and takes leftover weapons. DP sees a strip club and decides to visit it.
While your team discuses a strategy how to deal with my sniper, fully armed Spawn attacks the from one direction, and DP, fully pissed off because there was no strippers inside the strip bar, attacks them from the other direction.
Spawn shares some weapons with DP, and they try to drag the fight out in the open so Usopp could see them, but if Usopp manages to activate his haki, he will be able to shot them even through the walls.
I don't know how knowledgeable you are about the One Piece, so it might be that you view Usopp as the weak link in my crew, and that would be a mistake.
GOD USOPP-SAMA a.k.a. SOGEKING the Hero who Stands on the Tower of Justice is just as strong, fast and capable as the other 2 guys in my group.
Durability and strength
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The day he left his home, he put everything he had inside the house in one huge bag, then carried that bag towards the doors. The bag was to big to pass through the doors, so broke the part of the wall, and started rolling down the hill destroying part of the forest in the process. But he didn't let that stop him from becoming a brave warrior of the sea.
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He was slammed through the wall and then hit by a 4 T heavy baseball bat. He was able to get up and win the fight.
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Franky ripped out a piece of Usopp's ship, so Usopp attacked him and Franky (who is btw stronger than anyone one this tournament) hammered him down with his fists.
Usopp just got out of the water, grabbed a big and heavy peace of ship, lifted it up and started fixing the ship as if nothing happened.
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This is Usopp surviving a jump from a huge tower, which was bombarded by cannons
He endured a prolonged beating by a bear, which was able to destroy a stone floor with one strike
One of these ghosts were powerful enough to destroy stone walls, and Usopp endured dozens of them.
Speed
He is extremely fast, he was able to block Luffy's punches, he snatched frozen Robin faster than Admiral Aokiji could stomp on her, he was running from Pacifista, alongside with Brook who has superhuman speed, while he was caring an injured man.
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He even dodged lightnings
Healing
While he doesn't have a healing factor like DP or Spawn he has showed multiple times, the ability to heal very fast. Many times he was beaten up almost to death, and then 10 minutes later he's relatively ok, able to fight or run or whatever he needs to do.
This is Usopp
This is Usopp 10 minutes later.
Fights
His first real fight ,with superhuman Fishman Chew
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Fight with Perona
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And all of this was before the time skip. After the time-skip Usopp got much stronger, but we still don't have enough feats to figure out how much stronger exactly.
He survived a huge explosion created by Ceasar, you can see how big these explosions are if you compare them to the size of Caesar's ship.
He survived a brutal beating from a guy who effortlessly lifts and throws hundreds of tons and then he ate poisonous grape (survived again).
And he was also seen pulling a huge chunk of dragons meat.
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If your team somehow manages to defeat Spawn and DP, Usopp will wait for them on top of the tower, fully prepared.
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