The Rules
- Win by any means possible.
- Takes place on a deserted Earth.
- Combatants are determined to win
and fighting to the best of their abilities. - Earth-616 and Post-Crisis versions.
- Random encounter.
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Martian Manhunter is totally outclassed here.
No he ain't. He has shown enough to say he can win here
While Strange and Surfer have never seriously fought each other, Strange has done things to strongly imply that he would easily win in a fight such as sending Surfer to a plane where his powers don't work or mind wiping him. As for MMH, he's not TPing either Surfer or Strange nor is phasing going to matter as both Surfer and Strange can phase too. The rest of MMH's abilities just wont cut it.
@wastelandman: Surfer also admitted inferiority to Strange during Doctor Strange, Sorcerer Supreme IIRC.
Stephen even stalemated Dormammu in the same storyline of his universal conquest, which Dormmy killed all the heroes and took over the 616( Meaning Norrin as well).
Doctor Strange wins.
Strange > Norrin > Jones
Doctor Strange wins.
Strange > Norrin > Jones
Probably Dr Strange for the win.
Current Strange or classic Strange?
Same thing.
Current Strange or classic Strange?
Same thing.
Then I see no reason why Strange doesn't curb stomp both of them.
Doctor Strange > Silver Surfer > Martian Manhunter
Doctor Strange > Silver Surfer > Martian Manhunter
Doctor Strange > Silver Surfer > Martian Manhunter
yup
Strange wins.
Also, to those saying Martian Manhunter is out of his league here, definitely not. A case could be made both ways for Norrin versus the Martian.
While Strange and Surfer have never seriously fought each other, Strange has done things to strongly imply that he would easily win in a fight such as sending Surfer to a plane where his powers don't work or mind wiping him. As for MMH, he's not TPing either Surfer or Strange nor is phasing going to matter as both Surfer and Strange can phase too. The rest of MMH's abilities just wont cut it.
Surfers powers come from the astral plane and he's never been truly defeated by TP.
Doctor Strange > Silver Surfer > Martian Manhunter
Strange.
Speed wont help. Strange has a spell ready as a protection. Same goes for MMH's telepathy, even someone OP as him. Strange stomps. I don't know on what level Surfer's telepathy resistence is and is MMH's speed and reaction great enough to even attack Surfer with telepathy before Surfer turns him into dust.
Surfer has very good TP resistance due to the nature of his powers and his strong willpower so any attempt to attack him like this would have minimal affect if any. MM still has other things going for him but you're correct that telepathy will not be a deciding factor.
@jrupert1: Even against people like MMH? I mean that guy could easily control the mind of a guy who was light years away and has massive telepathy resistence.
I'd say so, as @citizensentry said, none have been successful at controlling him like that.
Classic strange is a beast..his magic defense is always active so the speed and TP will be negated. Plus strange routinely beats much more powerful... He has more expierence to boot.
Surfers powers come from the astral plane and he's never been truly defeated by TP.
I wasn't referring to the astral plane but a different plane where his powers don't work that Strange sent him to in the past:
I don't think that just because Surfer hasn't been downed by TP doesn't mean he cant especially when Strange has affected his mind on multiple occasions.
Doctor Strange wins.
Strange > Norrin > Jones
Surfers powers come from the astral plane and he's never been truly defeated by TP.
I wasn't referring to the astral plane but a different plane where his powers don't work that Strange sent him to in the past:
I don't think that just because Surfer hasn't been downed by TP doesn't mean he cant especially when Strange has affected his mind on multiple occasions.
Don't get me wrong, Surfer can be affected by TP, but he has never been defeated by it.
Strange wins. Silver Surfer vs MMH could go either way but Strange can take the majority against both.
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