" Shuma Gorath wins easily. *activates flame shields* "What case can you make for this?
" @Baldy said:I can't make a case at all, hence why I added "*activates flame shields*" to the end of my comment. I was being sarcastic." Shuma Gorath wins easily. *activates flame shields* "What case can you make for this? Though I guess if one looks at things from a certain perspective one could make a case for that. Example: People say it took Eternity and Dormammu combined to stop Zom. Apparently, Dormammu was first written to be close to Eternity's level because he could at least go toe-to-toe with him, but throughout the years he has been retconned. In Shuma-Gorath's arc, it was made clear that Dormammu was far inferior to Shuma-Gorath in power at a time when Dorm was still being written as being capable of hanging with Eternity. Therefore, since Shuma-Gorath is demonstrated to be superior to Dormammu by a great deal at a time when Dormammu was written to be so super powerful, that means Shuma should also be able to take care of Eternity. :D See what I did there? But really, why do you think Shuma wins? "
" Oh yeah , the person who said it will take Sise-Neg to beat Shuma now says that he loses to WPOTC . "What? Sise-Neg at full power was > WPOTC and he would definitely have defeated Shuma, but when he wasn't at the end of his journey (almost at the end of it, and as such freakishly powerful) he still had to rely on putting Shuma to sleep.
I think i read somewhere that SHUMA can be defeated by HIGH level MAGIC or the GREATEST cosmic entities (which PHOENIX is definitely a candidate) so i predict that Phoenix would win the battle 9 times out of 10.
It would be a wasted still considering i dont think that either can EVER TRULY DIE.
Classic Doc Strange had to merge with a god, the dark energy of another god, magic potential from a sorceress, learn extensive black magic from a dark wizard, and obtain an evil item that let him absorb magic, all in preparation just to face Shuma-Gorath, and he still could only stalemate Shuma until he started to absorb Shuma's power when Shuma struck him.
The Force itself as well as its avatars have been shattered, BFR'd, etc by much less. Give me implied powers all you want, but from what we've actually seen, Shuma's a more worthy opponent and would wreck any version of Phoenix.
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