ROTJ Luke runs a Gauntlet

ROTJ Luke will run a Gauntlet of Force Users, steadily increasing in power and abilities.

1: Qui-Gon Jinn
2: TCW S5 Savage Oppress
3: Quinlan Vos (Dark Disciple)
4: TCW S5 Darth Maul
5: Rebels Ahsoka
6: ROTS Obi-Wan
7: Count Dooku
8: Anakin Skywalker (ROTS)
9: Mace Windu
10: Darth Vader

All rounds are all out, no holding back, to the death.

Legends feats apply.

Standard equipment. Luke has his green saber and blaster.

Hopefully the order is correct. I'll be attaching a RT for ROTJ Luke as well.

Courtesy of @shootingnova

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/shootingnova/blog/rebellion-era-luke-skywalker-respect-thread/102111/

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@bigsambino87:

if he prevents his opponents from using the force he could make it all the way to vader(where he loses as rebels vader>rotj vader=rotj luke in terms of dueling). However he is facing three dudes who seem to like using the force(maul, ahsoka, and dooku). You could argue that maul or ahsoka(to a lesser extent) will not get an oppurtunity to use the force vs him, but dooku absolutely will and thats likely where he stops.)

I could see him losing anywhere from 6 on. Not sure exactly the specific numbers for each of those rounds though (meaning how many he takes out of 10 each round)

This makes no sense, seeing as Legends is also applied here.

tbh there is a chance of him stopping anywhere from round 1 on. Luke is hard to place.

Ehhhh, very very very close in Round 1, with Luke edging it out due to his endurance and stamina. Round 2, again very very very close but I give it to Savage, Luke has never dealt with the reach and ferocity of a double-bladed weapon, that too wielded by a Juyo/Djem So user (I am making an educated guess on Savage's form, because of his ferocity I say Juyo, and his strength I say Djem So).

Luke slaughters all rounds

@lowflyby: No

@wolfrazer:

legends/canon luke = vader as a duelist, luke was also holding back

there is no chance of him stopping at round 1

@kbroskywalker: Right, but you said that he'd lose to Vader, when he doesn't.

Pretty sure Mace is above Vader.

Stops at 6 IMO.

@wolfrazer: luke is =vader as a duelist, so the only edge here is the force which goes to vader. If the father son thing is taken away, if vader is ever pressed or desperate, or about to lose, he'll just use the force and take him out as luke and as luke isn't a superior duelist, he isn't going to win. He definitely stops at dooku anyway because dooku is near equal to vader dueling wisea nd is very good at incoperating force attacks

no he isn't, IMO he's<anakin who is a less refined version of vader.

@kbroskywalker:

there is no chance of him stopping at round 1

Well I agree Luke wouldn't lose a majority to Qui-gon, Qui-gon has got the edge on experience of fighting and knowledge of the force.

Luke probably also takes the majority on round 2, but Savage may take some rounds due to his fighting style.

Round 3, I didn't read DD so I can't make an accurate judgement.

Rounds 4-10 I think Luke would lose the majority, but put up a good fight against all of them.

@alextheboss: he doesn't lose a majority v kenobi simply as kenobi isn't going to use the force to beat him(because of his morals), and vs maul getting to use the force vs him without some circumstantial aid is questionable, qui gon is losing 10/10 as is opress

@kbroskywalker:

Ya I know Kenobi wouldn't try and abuse the force, but I think he can outduel ROTJ Luke. Same thing with Ahsoka and Maul. I would put Luke just about on Maul's level but he doesn't have the experience and will to kill, which is why I think Maul takes a majority over him.

What makes you think Luke takes Savage and Qui-gon 10/10? I would say 8-9/10.

@alextheboss: yea in luke vs maul its really about does luke's superior dueling take it, or mau;'s superior force abilities. Though luke being able to moomentarily deflect sidious's lightning*thoiugh it wasn't at full powr) on his first use of tutaminis is pretty good and being considered possily>rots anakin is a nice accolade, but luke just doesn't have the force feats. I side with ahsoka over luke because as she's been able to make the time and space for her to use the force vs rebels vader(who is >rotj vader who=rotj luke), she should get the oppurtunity to use the force vs luke.

What makes you think Luke takes Savage and Qui-gon 10/10

Qui gon doesn't use the force in serious lightsaber duels and even then luke's solitary showing vs emperor's lighting and deflecting of objects as a rookie vs vader in esb is likely more impressive than any of qui gon's combative showings. As for opress, I see him being stomped by luke saber wise(as with qui gon) and him being able to overpower luke via force unamped is unlikely anyway

And I feel the need to adress this:

Qui-gon has got the edge on experience of fighting

Vader is more experienced than quigon and luke combined, experience doesn't= combative edge

@kbroskywalker: Vader wasn't really fighting with conviction against Luke though.

Stops at Dooku

and luke wasn't fighting with conviction vs vader

@kbroskywalker: True, but that makes me think it really isn't a very reliable battle to go off of. It definitely puts Luke at master level in saber combat though.

@alextheboss: vader also was amped per the rotj novel by sidious's presence and had the advantage of fighting an opponent whose style was almost completely based on his

Stops at Obi-Wan.

6-7

I could see him losing to Dooku, and Vader, and he definately loses to Anakin, but otherwise he has a shot at clearing.

Stops anywhere from 3-6

I absolutely love the differences in opinion on this thread! Great arguments, guys.

Could stop anywhere from 6-8, but stops at 9 for sure. Also, Rebels Ahsoka is now> than TCW Maul?

Canon Luke stops at Tyranus or Obi-Wan. Assuming that was what you meant. 'Cause Legends Luke clears.

This gauntlet is so out of order...

@yousufkhan1212: suggestions on how it should be ordered?

Stops at Obi-Wan

@yousufkhan1212: what this person said...

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I'll never understand why people don't take Luke beating Vader as a legitimate feat

Because a kid who only has a couple years of training and virtually no combat experience with lightsaber combat shouldn't be able to beat someone who has been killing jedi for 20 years, and even before that was trained as a jedi for 10 years.

@alextheboss:

Shouldn't happen, but happens so we simply have to deal with it.It happens in pretty much every series, especially in Shonens.

Stops at 9.

@alextheboss

By the time of the Battle of Endor, Luke Skywalker has studied some lightsaber technique from Obi-Wan's journal and and greatly advanced his abilities. Without a Master, such advancement would have been impossible for most, but Skywalker's unparalleled aptitude makes him a match for Darth Vader in their fateful duel onboard the second Death Star. Both are limited, Vader by his cybernetic body parts and Skywalker by his relative lack of experience dueling. But Skywalker's skill at blaster deflection is highly refined, and his lightsaber technique so superb that he is able to duel the Dark Lord on even footing - and finally able to defeat a man who is a powerful living product of the ancient Jedi sword traditions from time immemorial. Such an achievement with little formal training is a testament to Skywalker's innate abilities and instinctive skill. Tremendously strong with the Force, Skywalker never crosses the line into Sith hatefulness and ceases his attack immediately upon rendering his foe helpless - an even more impressive demonstration of self-mastery than his lightsaber skills.

Source: Insider #62: Fightsaber

Vader himself, somebody who is hardly known for his humbleness, is astounded at Luke's increased strength and skill and actively considers the possibility of losing to him in a duel. He admits to himself that he feels surprise and fear:

For the first time, the thought entered Vader’s consciousness that his son might best him. He was astounded by the strength Luke had acquired since their last duel, in the Cloud City—not to mention the boy’s timing, which was honed to a thought’s-breadth. This was an unexpected circumstance. Unexpected and unwelcome. Vader felt humiliation crawling in on the tail of his first reaction, which was surprise, and his second, which was fear. And then the edge of the humiliation curled up, to reveal bald anger. And now he wanted revenge.

Source: Return of the Jedi

Credit of course goes to Nova for the above material, taken from the link I provided in the comments.

Maul should be above Obi-Wan and Anakin above Vader, tbh.

Luke probably stops at Maul though.

Probably stops somewhere from 4 onwards. I think Anakin is where he stops, though.

Maul should be above Obi-Wan

considering how he fared vs a pre prime kenobi, no way he's above rots kenobi who outclasses tcw kenobi in terms of force, and should be at least marginally above tcw kenobi as a duelist

Anakin above Vader

Vader is a more refined Anakin

@alextheboss: It really doesn't matter if it should happen. It DID happen, so that's what we have to go by.

@shootingnova: obi wan isn't going to win the fight via force due to morals which is why i givce rotj luke the edge

@bigsambino87:

there's nothing wrong with the order of this gauntlet

@bigsambino87:

This is a very important part of the quote.

Both are limited, Vader by his cybernetic body parts and Skywalker by his relative lack of experience dueling.

It says Vader himself is limited, and like I said it says Luke is limited by his lack of experience dueling.

I don't see Luke beating Mace or Dooku. I also doubt he would take a majority over prime Kenobi in a duel either.

@bigsambino87: That RotJ novelization's exclusive to Legends.

Put Maul above Ahsoka.