I'll start it off.. I think Rocklee can defeat Naruto at this point because the speed and strength factor are on his side even with one tail from the nine tailed fox I dont think it would be enough to combat Rocklee.
"arite......Naruto beat Neji....who Lee wanted to beat but couldn't. Now do the math. "
Rocklee beat Sasuke. Naruto didnt do the math?"
yeah but then Sasuke trained and got so strong that he could fight and (pretty much) beat Gaara...something that Rock Lee (even with like 5 gates ope) wasn't able to do....AND THEN after Sasuke got this stong and powerful, Naruto fought him with one stage curse mark...
Okay you obviously don't know about Naruto if you say Lee is better at him in all areas. Seriously, (Not trying to be mean but....) Naruto has Ninjutsu does Lee have Ninjutsu? No. Lee barely even has chakra abilities at all. He opens the 8 gates on a force of willpower. Lee beats Naruto in Tajutsu, That's pretty much it.
"Naruto has 2 moves at this Point Shadow clones which are a joke and rasangan and for him to it with that he would have to catch Lee.
Lee beats Naruto in Taijustu and speed."
Not necessary speed. Naruto used the Kyuubi Chakra without going all beast and he ending moving so fast that the bykaguan couldn't keep up. Also, Lee has never really used all the Eight gates so there is a fault in this fight. How are we going to know what he can do if he hasn't done it?
Oh, I assumed you meant all of them. My B. Anyway, Naruto if we're going by time periods they used this stuff, then Naruto knows more then Rasengan and Shadow Clone jutsu. Don't forget he can summon Gamabunta and a small puny guy against a giant frog who can crush tree's by sitting on them is not going to do much.
"Available" is relative term, you could have meant the gates available to Lee at that time or all 8 gates since, technically all 8 gates are available to any ninja with training. Just clarifying.
Gamabunta wont come unless theres a real powerful threat or other summoning Jutsus on the field.
Like when he tried to summon him and the yellow frog comes now Gamabuntas son or w/e once the smaller frog started crying thats when Gamabunta came lol I think thats how it went.
But was it stands pre time skip the Rasengan isnt enough to take out Rock lee and his Shadowclones are easily disposed of.
Rasengan is not enough to take out lee? How tough do you think he is? Kabuto was taken out by it, even after he healed himself during the injury. He couldn't move for most of the time.
Obviously you guys are all underestimating shadow doppelgangers too... Naruto early on created either 100 or 1000 and beat the crap out of someone. Now imagine like 50 shadow doppelgangers all doing the Rasengan on Lee at the same time, and the only thing they have to worry about hitting is the original. Tell me Lee's gates beat that.
"Obviously you guys are all underestimating shadow doppelgangers too... Naruto early on created either 100 or 1000 and beat the crap out of someone. Now imagine like 50 shadow doppelgangers all doing the Rasengan on Lee at the same time, and the only thing they have to worry about hitting is the original. Tell me Lee's gates beat that."
"Obviously you guys are all underestimating shadow doppelgangers too... Naruto early on created either 100 or 1000 and beat the crap out of someone. Now imagine like 50 shadow doppelgangers all doing the Rasengan on Lee at the same time, and the only thing they have to worry about hitting is the original. Tell me Lee's gates beat that."
can Naruto really do a 50 person Rasengan?"
When a ninja splits himself with shadow clones, he is also splitting his chakra evenly with that amount. Which is a double edged technique because it could kill the user from chakra exhaustion. Which is also regarded as a forbidden technique. 100 shadow clones is unheard of. 1000 clones is just simply impossible. How much chakra each of those shadow clones have, individually?
Thats allot of fcking chakra. And Naruto, the original still has more then he lets on.
"Obviously you guys are all underestimating shadow doppelgangers too... Naruto early on created either 100 or 1000 and beat the crap out of someone. Now imagine like 50 shadow doppelgangers all doing the Rasengan on Lee at the same time, and the only thing they have to worry about hitting is the original. Tell me Lee's gates beat that."
can Naruto really do a 50 person Rasengan?"
When a ninja splits himself with shadow clones, he is also splitting his chakra evenly with that amount. Which is a double edged technique because it could kill the user from chakra exhaustion. Which is also regarded as a forbidden technique. 100 shadow clones is unheard of. 1000 clones is just simply impossible. How much chakra each of those shadow clones have, individually?
Thats allot of fcking chakra. And Naruto, the original still has more then he lets on.
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Rasengan is actually a technique that doesn't require too much chakra, just much greater chakra control, right? And I know that Naruto has made at least 100 shadow clones of himself. He did it in the first book. I'm not sure as to whether it's 100 or 1000, but erring on the side of caution, I'd say 100.
EDIT: And no, Naruto probably wouldn't do 50 Rasengan. He would, however, be able to put Rock Lee at the point of not knowing which Naruto was the threat for using the Rasengan, which gives Naruto a distinct advantage, since Rock Lee can only fight with taijutsu and has no real ninjutsu techniques to assist him against Naruto's doppelgangers. And trust me, especially with the assistance of the 9-tailed Fox's chakra, Naruto would have more than enough for 50 doppelgangers and a Rasengan.
I believe it might have actually been 500 doppelgangers that he made of himself in the first book.
when naruto uses shadow clones he stays back and lets them fight ...they are not a problem it only takes one hit to knock them out...Neji took them out using taijustu same for Kimmimaro and Kakashi Lee wouldnt have a problem taking down shadow clones.
Naruto make 50 rasengans if he could do that then he would do it everyfight since those are the only moves he uses throughout the show.
you guys are talking if Naruto has special abilitys like Neji or Sasuke... If naruto fought Lee if will come down to Taijustu and we all Know naruto cant stand with Lee there.
It says here in this video that Rock Lee was moving faster then sound.
None one has said anything really to explain how naruto wins besides saying he can summon 1000 clones.
so yea I still say Rock Lee wins until proven otherwise.
"Naruto wins everytime.Lee is damn near the worst if not the worst ninja in the village."
He is the worst lol but he's one powerful mofo."
if hes the worst wouldnt that make Guy one of the worst also hell wouldnt that make kakashi oneof the worst beuase Guy has more wins over Kakashi then he has over Guy. (it might be the other way around but you know what I'm saying)
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