Red Hood vs Bane

Both have 3 days prep

Jason has his two pistols

Bane has an oozie

I also want you guys opinion on who wins hand to hand

@ULTRAstarkiller: is bane on venom, and with prep Jason ftw

Bane

Jason

Jason

Bane easily, Jason isnt that impressive from what i have seen.

Jason.

@dondave: @ThunderGodsWrath: @morgrim: @Batman242:Why does Jason win? Bane has better skill showings and they are only limited to the gear they have in the OP, and Bane has some pretty good pain tolerance and his own agility is pretty good. Also standard battle forum rules state they start up close so Bane doesn't have to dodge far and in a city environment there is enough cover for Bane to close the gap.

I say Bane in both rounds.

Bane both rounds.

Bane

@jashro44:To me Jason better with prep than Bane is

@dondave said:

@jashro44:To me Jason better with prep than Bane is

What is he going to do with his prep? He is only imitated to the gear they have in the OP. And also what makes Jason better at prep then Bane?

@dondave: Ya he's on venom

@jashro44 said:

@dondave: @ThunderGodsWrath: @morgrim: @Batman242:Why does Jason win? Bane has better skill showings and they are only limited to the gear they have in the OP, and Bane has some pretty good pain tolerance and his own agility is pretty good. Also standard battle forum rules state they start up close so Bane doesn't have to dodge far and in a city environment there is enough cover for Bane to close the gap.

Prep gives Jason the win

Things are factored quite into Bane's favor, with prep and venom. I might give Jason the nod in a random encounter with no venom, but as is Bane takes the cake.

@ThunderGodsWrath:As I said above how does prep give Jason the win?

@jashro44: Using prep Jason could have have taken out out Batman, took over Gotham's underworld and took out Mr Freeze and his crew, there only limited in the OP by the weapons they can use in the physical battle not what they can do with prep

@dondave: Bane did defeat batman, and take over gothams under world in knightfall.

red hoods been shown as a much better marksman than bane. hes faster, more agile and trained by the bat and then the all caste. hes way better at stealth. hed take cover reposition leaving an explosive trap at his first spot, then hed be hiding in a position to exploit that with shots to the head from cover if the trap didnt work/wasnt enough. red hood wins

@jashro44: he could have killed batman but decided not to because he wanted Batman to know he did it, hence why we have Batman:Under the Red Hood

Jason Todd wins.

@jashro44: Scans

@jashro44: Are you mad bro? Bane won because he cheated he literally broke out every single gotham criminal. And batman had to track them all down and when he was finished after three months of sleepless nights capturing criminals the likes of joker and scare crow. He came home to sleep and bane jumps out of nowhere breaks his back and takes it as a win please

@jashro44: Oh didn't see the H2H. Bane wins that hands down. But Jason might not be as fast as Bane, but he is more agile. (if that makes sense to you). He can evade Bane long enough just to get at least 6 feet away and just cap him.

@dondave said:

@jashro44: he could have killed batman but decided not to because he wanted Batman to know he did it, hence why we have Batman:Under the Red Hood

Yes but Bane did actually do it and also could have killed batman. He basically did the same thing as Jason. I don't see how it makes Jason smarter then bane. If Jason is smarter it isn't by much.

@morgrim said:

@jashro44: Are you mad bro? Bane won because he cheated he literally broke out every single gotham criminal. And batman had to track them all down and when he was finished after three months of sleepless nights capturing criminals the likes of joker and scare crow. He came home to sleep and bane jumps out of nowhere breaks his back and takes it as a win please

I brought up knightfall as a prep showing because dondave said Jason wins due to prep. Bane has had other fights with batman and there never one sided in randoms. If I were to bring up a good fight with batman in a random I would bring up detective comics 701.

@Batman242 said:

@jashro44: Oh didn't see the H2H. Bane wins that hands down. But Jason might not be as fast as Bane, but he is more agile. (if that makes sense to you). He can evade Bane long enough just to get at least 6 feet away and just cap him.

I agree Jason is more agile but thing is nightwing is even more agile then Jason and he was taken down by Bane pretty easily.

@ULTRAstarkiller said:

@jashro44: Scans

Of knightfall? That is a lot of scans.....I would need to scan the entire story arc which is way to much. Sorry.

@JamesKM716 said:

Jason Todd wins.

Why?

@jashro44: Red Hood should be able to use the prep time allowed in order to kill Bane.

It's just my opinon

@JamesKM716 said:

@jashro44: Red Hood should be able to use the prep time allowed in order to kill Bane.

It's just my opinon

But Bane also gets prep as well. I am fine with agreeing to disagree if you don't want to debate.

Bane in the prep round, and bane would kill Jason in the hand to hand round. Bane is consistently shown to be a better hand-to-hand fighter than Nightwing and has beaten him on several different occasions. Nightwing also normally best's Jason in hand-to-hand combat. ABC logic. Guns wont have a huge effect on Bane, his pain tolerance is ludicrous.

We all need to realize that the only reason batman or nightwing have ever had trouble with bane is because of their whole no kill rule, batman has techniques where he literally can tap you on the forehead or stomach and kill you instantly but he dosent use them becuase of morals. Jason has almost the same killer techniques as batman without the reservations there is nothing stopping him from putting a bullet in banes head or using an instant kill move and thats why he wins. maybe if he had morals it would be a different story but he does not some jason for the win

@morgrim said:

We all need to realize that the only reason batman or nightwing have ever had trouble with bane is because of their whole no kill rule, batman has techniques where he literally can tap you on the forehead or stomach and kill you instantly but he dosent use them becuase of morals. Jason has almost the same killer techniques as batman without the reservations there is nothing stopping him from putting a bullet in banes head or using an instant kill move and thats why he wins. maybe if he had morals it would be a different story but he does not some jason for the win

When has Jason shown an instant kill pressure point? And Jason also fights dirty against batman and nightwing and this has never really helped him.

@morgrim: Batman has only had trouble with Bane once in a morals on situation. That was in Knightfall when he had been fighting for months and to top it all off, he was sick. Jason hasn't demonstrated pressure points or nerve strike to the same extent as Dick, and definitely not Bruce. In a straight up fight, it isn't in character for him to use these at all. His fighting style is very similar to Grayson's minus Dick's superior agility. In a straight up fight he loses.

@jashro44 said:

I agree Jason is more agile but thing is nightwing is even more agile then Jason and he was taken down by Bane pretty easily.

True, but did Nightwing have prep? Was that in Knightfall?

@jashro44: I mean scans of banes agility

Bane.

@Batman242 said:

@jashro44 said:

I agree Jason is more agile but thing is nightwing is even more agile then Jason and he was taken down by Bane pretty easily.

True, but did Nightwing have prep? Was that in Knightfall?

Nightwing did not have prep however neither did Bane. And no it was after knightfall during chuck dixons nightwing run I believe.

@ULTRAstarkiller said:

@jashro44: I mean scans of banes agility

Gallery

@jashro44: I know, but if memory serves, Red Hood has some good prep feats... or maybe i'm thinking of the Under the Red Hood animated movie.

If I were to think real hard, I'd say

6-7/10 Red Hood victory.

@JamesKM716 said:

@jashro44: I know, but if memory serves, Red Hood has some good prep feats... or maybe i'm thinking of the Under the Red Hood animated movie.

If I were to think real hard, I'd say

6-7/10 Red Hood victory.

So does Bane though...His first major story arc was a huge prep feat which I think can at the least match anything Jason has done.

@jashro44: Or surpass. That was epic what he did.

but with Jason, he does have prep so that's a factor.

@Batman242: Yes but Banes prep is just as much a factor if not more so IMO. From the feats mentioned so far I honestly think Bane is at least just as smart if not smarter then Jason...

@jashro44: Yeah but my problem with that is afterwards, Bane doesn't have many (any?) Prep feats...

@JamesKM716 said:

@jashro44: Yeah but my problem with that is afterwards, Bane doesn't have many (any?) Prep feats...

He doesn't really need many prep feats (he probably does, I just don't recall his other prep feats). He also played chess with Ras and did pretty well which shows tactics. And based off what has been mentioned so far Jason hasn't done anything Bane hasn't in prep.

@jashro44: Isn't Bane's intelligence near to Bruce's? Lol I'm just giving it to Bane off of that. But Jason can find a way to stop the flow of Venom. Cap him in one knee is all he need to slow him down just a bit to get behind him.

Modern bane would lose the prep round as he has been dumbed into just a strong brute, but originally he was a prep monster. Bane would win the hand to hand combat round.

@Batman242:

Isn't Bane's intelligence near to Bruce's? Lol I'm just giving it to Bane off of that.

I think he is pretty close to batman all though Bruce is without a doubt the better tactictian. He might be a tier behind batman all though I still think Banes feats are better then Jasons prep wise.

But Jason can find a way to stop the flow of Venom. Cap him in one knee is all he need to slow him down just a bit to get behind him.

I don't think that will be easy with Banes agility, skill and pain tolerance.

@jashro44 said:

@ThunderGodsWrath:As I said above how does prep give Jason the win?

I don't know, I just thought Jason would be better with prep.

@kingsloth said:

Modern bane would lose the prep round as he has been dumbed into just a strong brute, but originally he was a prep monster.

A dumb brute who manipulated Poison Ivy, Clayface and Deathstroke like pawns on a chessboard, engineered a toxin that had Flash running for his life, and orchestrated an elaborate plan that nearly resulted in Batman's death via repetitive fists to the face?

Sure. He'll lose the prep round.

@CitizenBane: When did bane manipulate deathstroke cause he would get ripped in two.

@ULTRAstarkiller: The first new 52 arc of TDK. He injected Slade with Venom off-panel and then sent him to go kill Batman.