"2 minutes isnt enough time at all. it takes me way longer, especially if i have alot to say. it doesnt make me lame cause im not defending anyone im just lettin u know u'lll have to give him more time to respond.@cascadeking09:
"
" ur only givin him like two minutes to respond if u want him to explain the right way you'll have to wait longer than that"
That is not true, I give him more than enough time to reply. And if you look at my last message, you will see that he hasnt replied yet. I am sure that he will though, as soon as i type in something that he doesn't like. Just wait and watch. and you can try to make him sound so great and powerful, but if anything, you are the lame one, I mean look who is fight his battle with me, not him YOU, you are like his little puppet, to tell the truth, it amuses me.
Raven vs Jean Grey
" Please do explain why. :) "@VictoriaGrey_2010 said:
" Yea, hmm nothing "RIght here
" I have to go with Raven on this. . .or what uncle used to say, "Magic must defeat magic." "No it mustn't.Magic users lose to non magic users all the time.
"@cascadeking09:
" ur only givin him like two minutes to respond if u want him to explain the right way you'll have to wait longer than that"
That is not true, I give him more than enough time to reply. And if you look at my last message, you will see that he hasnt replied yet. I am sure that he will though, as soon as i type in something that he doesn't like."
The way I do this is I click comicvine battles on favorites. I then skim for good battles, ones I'm already in and check my mailbox. Then I do it again if that took awhile. Then I go do something else and come back later when I'm bored.
So when you reply to me, 99% of the time, I'm already gone and won't be back for at least another hour. I reply purely based on my schedule. I'm not leaving because I've given up. I'm leaving because I have other shit to do and arguing with someone on the internet isn't really a priority for me. The fact that you keep bragging about winning or calling me out for not replying when you think I should is why I'm not going to be debating you about the actual battle at all.
I just thought I should point out that acting like this makes you come across as really annoying and that its gonna make people not want to debate you. Cheers.
lol, ok, ok, fine sorry Zoom, lol, I just like busting your balls, lol, it is so fucking fun, it is why i log on here most of the time, so by the way, you are right about me, but I do stand on Jean grey's side, and by the way, I didn't say anything about magic, if that last message is incleding me. :P
I promise I wont be as big of a Bitch as I have been, Just dont stop debating, it is fun to debate with you because half of the time you are right, and that is the best,
"Please do explain why. :) "
If you want someone to respond, you might want to quote them.
"By the way, I wanted you to explain why Jean grey doesn't have what it takes to defeat Raven "
You ovbviously don't read others posts.
Soul Self>Jean's TP
"lol, I dont, lol, She also has TK power to an amazing extent, "
I don't know that TK can affect the Soul Self
Jean Grey ftw..
i mean even before the Phoenix situation, Jean is classified as a Omega Level Mutant who possess both Telepathic and Telekinetic Godhood.. Her raw psionic powers shames those of Charles Xavier and Emma Frost.. she was offered by the psychic entity Onslaught to be his consort who's very power was not enough to break into Jean's psychic shields.. she is the only telepath which the Gamesmaster fears, and he is and Omnipath for pete's sake..
"i mean even before the Phoenix situation, Jean is classified as a Omega Level Mutant who possess both Telepathic and Telekinetic Godhood"
Um...no. That's not at all true.
I mean, Omega Level Mutant wasn't even a term used until 10 years AFTER the Phoenix appeared. Jean wasn't anywhere near godhood before she bonded with the entity.
really? thaks for the correction..
but still i'll go with Jean, i mean stand up to Onslaught and she was not possessed by the PF then.. and is fered by the Gamesmaster who is an Omnipath..
I've only read like a few things with Raven...
and I'm biased towards Jean........I'll admit
based on what I know the only really impressive feat I can think of with Raven is defeating Trigon........
there's much both can do with their powers...
but I think Jean's got the edge since her powers seem more developed.......
just my opinion don't hate :)
the thing is when fighting a telepath you have to hit them first. Unless Raven can cast a spell before jean makes her mentally retarted then she wins if not jean wins
"Raven is a powerful witch. Jean Grey is the most powerful mutant ever. Jean Grey wins."
All three of these statements are wrong.
Raven isn't a witch. You're thinking of cartoon Raven.
Mad Jim Jaspers and Jaime Bradock are far more powerful than Jean Grey. Hell, if you take away every feat she had while he has the phoenix force, Storm is more powerful than Jean Grey.
As for the battle itself, Raven is made to battle a telepath/telekinetic. She's resistant to mental attack and she's got a phasing, flying attack Raven that's big enough to block anything Jean throws at Raven while being strong enough to one shot her as well.
my mutant still goes to Jean Grey.. she's Mutant Alpha for pete's sake.. plus in my opinion.. telepaths are more powerful than empaths..
" @lord_oraculous016 said:" my mutant still goes to Jean Grey.. she's Mutant Alpha for pete's sake.. plus in my opinion.. telepaths are more powerful than empaths.. "She's Omega. "
yup.. i know she's an Omega Level Mutant.. what i mean is that, she's Mutant Alpha.. the most powerful mutant to ever exist, the creme of the crop, an All Powerful Mutant which makes all other less than insignificant by comparison..
" @Morpheus_ said:Interesting. Alpha is usually a term to imply a mutant powerful, yet not powerful enough to be considered Omega, hence my confusion. Where is the scan from?" @lord_oraculous016 said:" my mutant still goes to Jean Grey.. she's Mutant Alpha for pete's sake.. plus in my opinion.. telepaths are more powerful than empaths.. "She's Omega. "
yup.. i know she's an Omega Level Mutant.. what i mean is that, she's Mutant Alpha.. the most powerful mutant to ever exist, the creme of the crop, an All Powerful Mutant which makes all other less than insignificant by comparison..
"
@Morpheus_ said:
" @lord_oraculous016 said:" @Morpheus_ said:Interesting. Alpha is usually a term to imply a mutant powerful, yet not powerful enough to be considered Omega, hence my confusion. Where is the scan from? "" @lord_oraculous016 said:" my mutant still goes to Jean Grey.. she's Mutant Alpha for pete's sake.. plus in my opinion.. telepaths are more powerful than empaths.. "She's Omega. "
yup.. i know she's an Omega Level Mutant.. what i mean is that, she's Mutant Alpha.. the most powerful mutant to ever exist, the creme of the crop, an All Powerful Mutant which makes all other less than insignificant by comparison..
"
the term Mutant Alpha is probably refering Jean Grey to be carrier of the genes / reincarnation of the legendary all powerful "First Mutant", not based on her power scale which is undoubtedly Omega Level.. these titles alone signifies her status as the Most Powerful Mutant.. and oh yah, i forgot where this scan was from but if i'm not mistaken, it's fro "Age of Apocalypse"..
"The art seems rather new for it to be from AoA. Seems like Chris Bachalo's style.the term Mutant Alpha is probably refering Jean Grey to be carrier of the genes / reincarnation of the legendary all powerful "First Mutant", not based on her power scale which is undoubtedly Omega Level.. these titles alone signifies her status as the Most Powerful Mutant.. and oh yah, i forgot where this scan was from but if i'm not mistaken, it's fro "Age of Apocalypse"..
"
" @lord_oraculous016 said:"The art seems rather new for it to be from AoA. Seems like Chris Bachalo's style. "the term Mutant Alpha is probably refering Jean Grey to be carrier of the genes / reincarnation of the legendary all powerful "First Mutant", not based on her power scale which is undoubtedly Omega Level.. these titles alone signifies her status as the Most Powerful Mutant.. and oh yah, i forgot where this scan was from but if i'm not mistaken, it's fro "Age of Apocalypse"..
"
probably.. i'll check it out and get back to you on that.. =P
" @Morpheus_ said:No problem either way." @lord_oraculous016 said:probably.. i'll check it out and get back to you on that.. =P ""The art seems rather new for it to be from AoA. Seems like Chris Bachalo's style. "the term Mutant Alpha is probably refering Jean Grey to be carrier of the genes / reincarnation of the legendary all powerful "First Mutant", not based on her power scale which is undoubtedly Omega Level.. these titles alone signifies her status as the Most Powerful Mutant.. and oh yah, i forgot where this scan was from but if i'm not mistaken, it's fro "Age of Apocalypse"..
"
" @Roddy010 said:It doesn't matter Raven is an telepath and more.she is a empath also,she could rape Jean of all emotion Not to mention the fact that she has experience in dark magic.MIND rape? Jean is the strongest telepath in the world, I dont think Raven can do THAT ""Raven..She will mind rape Jean into a comatose state... "
This isn't even half of Ravens powerset
" @VictoriaGrey_2010 said:" @Roddy010 said:It doesn't matter Raven is an telepath and more.she is a empath also,she could rape Jean of all emotion Not to mention the fact that she has experience in dark magic. This isn't even half of Ravens powerset "MIND rape? Jean is the strongest telepath in the world, I dont think Raven can do THAT ""Raven..She will mind rape Jean into a comatose state... "
Jean Grey has been known to do much more than TP and TK powers,
for example, the ability to go to different relams, teleport, summon the dead, and much more,
not to mention the Phoenix Force is one of the strongest enchantments in the universe.
Raven, hmm, definitly a challenge, but I think Jean can take her on and win.
" @Roddy010 said:
MIND rape? Jean is the strongest telepath in the world, I dont think Raven can do THAT ""Raven..She will mind rape Jean into a comatose state... "
Raven uses empathy to distort emotion into a mental image. She can make jean live her most horrific traumatizing nightmare....
i'll put my money in Jean Grey..
i also like Raven but i think Jean has more versatility and is much more skilled.. not to mention the incredible raw psionic power she possess.. Raven is only and empath.. sure she can do a lot with such power at her disposal.. but Jean is one if the most powerful telepath in her universe.. she has proven herself more powerful and skilled than Emma Frost.. the same Emma who has managed to defeat Charles Xavier in several occasions.. sure Raven can use empathy against Jean and make her live her greatest nightmares.. well that is if Jean doesn't turn her brain into jelly or rip her apart atom by atom via telekinesis..
:p
" What part of "Jean Grey doesn't have the Phoenix" is so difficult for you? "
you must know that Jean does not possess the power of the Phoenix in those scans.. the Phoenix raptor is the manifestation of Jean's psionic power when she is using them.. the same reason why she continued to use the codename Phoenix long after the Phoenix Force left her..
"@Zoom said:you must know that Jean does not possess the power of the Phoenix in those scans.. the Phoenix raptor is the manifestation of Jean's psionic power when she is using them.. the same reason why she continued to use the codename Phoenix long after the Phoenix Force left her.. "" What part of "Jean Grey doesn't have the Phoenix" is so difficult for you? "
So uh...when did Jean regain the Phoenix? ;)
" @lord_oraculous016 said:When she died."@Zoom said:So uh...when did Jean regain the Phoenix? ;) "you must know that Jean does not possess the power of the Phoenix in those scans.. the Phoenix raptor is the manifestation of Jean's psionic power when she is using them.. the same reason why she continued to use the codename Phoenix long after the Phoenix Force left her.. "" What part of "Jean Grey doesn't have the Phoenix" is so difficult for you? "
Wait aren't they one,
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