HTF does Quicksilver survive this?
Quicksilver vs Captain Cold
@batman242: Holding a conversation with Captain Atom in space between seconds and also save people.
@charliejade: Once you remove powerful enemies like Zoom and Grodd you soon see Flash has a terrible rogue's gallery
You forgot Savitar. You might also want to watch the language . Just a friendly reminder, as the Mods may lack my easy going personality and/or sense of humor.
@charliejade: You should read more comics.... Captain Cold no longer use guns,after used a genoma recorder he's now a metahuman capable to generate/manipulate ice,can slow down the molecules around,more importantly is the inertia field.
The cold gun isn't magic..
yes i know its not magic but the gun may as well describe as being magic because the gun has plot device uses like generating 'field of absolute zero'. Cold was always a nasty human with a super magic gun, that's how he was in the Bronze Age, that's how he was wrote and animated in DCAU, that's how he was in Earth II, that's how he was in BTBATB, that's how he was in Young Justice, that's how he was in Video Games, that's how he was in New Earth......only Geoff Johns is trying to write him meta human, kind of ice-man-ish but unable to control his powers fully and he still doesn't have the speed feats to stop himself getting blitzed
*Bell Rings*
and before Cold can re-act, Quicksilver kills him with thousands of punches
You forgot Savitar.
thanks, yeah forgot about Savitar
yes i know its not magic but the gun may as well describe as being magic because the gun has plot device uses like generating 'field of absolute zero'. Cold was always a nasty human with a super magic gun, that's how he was in the Bronze Age, that's how he was wrote and animated in DCAU, that's how he was in Earth II, that's how he was in BTBATB, that's how he was in Young Justice, that's how he was in Video Games, that's how he was in New Earth......only Geoff Johns is trying to write him meta human, kind of ice-man-ish but unable to control his powers fully and he still doesn't have the speed feats to stop himself getting blitzed
*Bell Rings*
and before Cold can re-act, Quicksilver kills him with thousands of punches
You forgot Savitar.
thanks, yeah forgot about Savitar
Anyone that tries to push the cartoons having a higher cannon authority than the comics, shouldn't be taken seriously, not to mention that the bronze age lasted shorter than the modern age.
@charliejade: You ever pay attention to what I said!!!
Read new 52 Flash ongoing before comment,because:
1) Geoff Johns doesn't write it,Francis Manapul does
2) Captain Cold has full control of his powers and doesn't need to be a speedster to beat another.
3) The inertia field slow down Flash's speed to human levels,so Quicksilver can't get closer.
Flash probably not have a great rogues gallery, but at least he has one and always had his or her own ongoing series. Besides Zoom,Grodd and Savitar,Flash rogues gallery has The Top andMirror Master,moreover villains are not only interesting because of powers, feats,weapons or look, but because their personalities.
HTF does Quicksilver survive this?
No, not at all...pre-52 Cold hangs with Wally, New 52 Cold is just as dangerous.......
@charliejade: Post a scan of Pietro hitting someone a thousand times in the face, I'll wait. Till you do, Captain Cold stomps.
I'll give Quicksilver some credit where it's due, he has used his speed quite effectively, even though he never really uses it effectively on anybody particularly fast or with notably great super reflexes. Dodging lightning is probably the best feat he's got .....
But that's against people who don't have or utilize super reaction speed regularly like Cold who has to in order to take on Flash and be a threat by himself. Even Spider-Man and Hulk can all react to Quicksilver. He wasn't fast enough to move out of the path of Thor's area of effect attack. Flash and his Rouges are on a higher level of speed altogether.
I don't even wan't to bring up something as non canon, unhelpful and useless as the crossover when Wally punked Pietro but I'll do it for the sake of lulz....
Pietro wouldn't even make it past the cold field, he wouldn't even see it coming either, all Pietro likes to do is charge in head first in most cases which will be his death against Cold....
Captain Cold has proven himself capable of reacting at speeds that are definitely superhuman and he always takes precucions when facing speedsters, like Flash for example...
If you thought Pietro will be breaking the cold field or anything stupid like that, you'd be wrong....
Even New 52 Cold can beat Pietro ...
Cold wins in a stomp.
@ancient_0f_days: Scans 6# and 9# are from Ultimate X-Men.
@ancient_0f_days: Scans 6# and 9# are from Ultimate X-Men.
thank's for the heads up.
@ancient_0f_days: Scans 6# and 9# are from Ultimate X-Men.
thank's for the heads up.
If anything you Flash fanboys have made the argument worse for yourselves
Which Cold is it now? Is it nu-52 Geoff/JimLee Cold you are putting against Quicksilver?
Or is it Cold from mainstream NewEarth you are putting against Quicksilver?
Normally if someone posts a thread Superman vs....... or Manhunter vs.....people will assume mainstream NewEarth
Either way it doesn't matter, you Flash fanboys have only proven Cold loses, from the scan above we see Quicksilver covering 3 hundreds and forty seven miles in 3.7 seconds and punching Magento in the face, dodging lightning and blitzing other people
Posting PIS scans of Quicksilver getting tagged by Gambit or Wolverine is dumb....Quicksilver is fast enough to watch bullets hang motionless in the air as he dances around attacks and punches other opponents with hundreds of blows. PIS scans are just that. Plot Induced Stupidty
I could post plenty of scans of Batman, Death stoke and Bank Robbers hitting the Flash, it does not mean its possible or a canon feat, PIS is just PIS
Mister X, perhaps one of Marvel's top martial artist, a mind reader and a mutant was able to blitz the hell out of the Avengers, Hawkeye, Moonstone, the Vision....all fell down before him. He even fought multiple Avengers and Thunderbolts members all at the same time and a lot of these Avengers had confirmed super speed feats, not one-off PIS but many comics with super speed and Mister X blitzed the hell out of them
Mister X had the spear of Odin....which is a lot more powerful than a Cold gun
Quicksilver arrives, Mister X looks motionless like a snail, Quicksilver turns him into road kill, breaking every bone in his body
Quicksilver too fast for a mutant like Mister X and Quicksilver is way too fast for a street leveler with a gun
Cold has only shown HUMAN LEVEL reactions in the above scans, Captain Cold loses badly
Quicksilver stomps
If anything you Flash fanboys have made the argument worse for yourselves
Which Cold is it now? Is it nu-52 Geoff/JimLee Cold you are putting against Quicksilver?
Or is it Cold from mainstream NewEarth you are putting against Quicksilver?
Normally if someone posts a thread Superman vs....... or Manhunter vs.....people will assume mainstream NewEarth
Either way it doesn't matter, you Flash fanboys have only proven Cold loses, from the scan above we see Quicksilver covering 3 hundreds and forty seven miles in 3.7 seconds and punching Magento in the face, dodging lightning and blitzing other people
Posting PIS scans of Quicksilver getting tagged by Gambit or Wolverine is dumb....Quicksilver is fast enough to watch bullets hang motionless in the air as he dances around attacks and punches other opponents with hundreds of blows. PIS scans are just that. Plot Induced Stupidty
I could post plenty of scans of Batman, Death stoke and Bank Robbers hitting the Flash, it does not mean its possible or a canon feat, PIS is just PIS
Mister X, perhaps one of Marvel's top martial artist, a mind reader and a mutant was able to blitz the hell out of the Avengers, Hawkeye, Moonstone, the Vision....all fell down before him. He even fought multiple Avengers and Thunderbolts members all at the same time and a lot of these Avengers had confirmed super speed feats, not one-off PIS but many comics with super speed and Mister X blitzed the hell out of them
Mister X had the spear of Odin....which is a lot more powerful than a Cold gun
Quicksilver arrives, Mister X looks motionless like a snail, Quicksilver turns him into road kill, breaking every bone in his body
Quicksilver too fast for a mutant like Mister X and Quicksilver is way too fast for a street leveler with a gun
Cold has only shown HUMAN LEVEL reactions in the above scans, Captain Cold loses badly
Quicksilver stomps
@ancient_0f_days: Scans 6# and 9# are from Ultimate X-Men.
thank's for the heads up.
Flash get's hit in comic's by various foes because it'd be incredibly boring to read about a hero that literally just runs around robbing every living foe of it's speed and punching them thousands of times with IMPS. Speedsters are so incredibly "broken" when you look at them on paper, they're incredibly powerful and in the case of the Flash his ability to rob other beings of their speed is quite terrifying.
We're not dealing with Flash here, we're dealing with Quicksilver, who is slower than Flash, who has never demonstrated any Speed Stealing to my knowledge, he's just your traditional Speedster.
The Cold Field doesn't require Cold to aim at a specific target & tag it, he just has to shoot his gun to set it up. The moment that Quicksilver even makes an ATTEMPT to strike Cold he's suddenly slowed down, he's not moving at his Super Speeds anymore, he's become a slower target that could be tagged by Cold's gun, not the field in this case, the actual gun.
If it wasn't for the fact that Captain Cold is specifically designed to take on a foe whose main deal is speed ( Flash ) then it probably wouldn't be that easy, and the fight wouldn't be leaning so heavily against Quicksilver, the fact of the matter is that Captain Cold's entire history has him dealing with a Speedster. He's been tailored to fight people that move much faster than him, and he's grown more experienced during each of his battles, his reaction time would be, and is, INCREDIBLE.
Like I said earlier though, he's not relying on reaction time, he doesn't have to, once an object enters that Cold Field it is robbed of it's kinetic energy, speedster or not that field will slow you down ASAP.
None of the above scans featured Quicksilver having any experiences with a foe who could slow him down or rob him of his speed. This thread isn't saying that Quicksilver is a crapshoot, he's actually a pretty cool speedster, but up against a Speedsters Kyrptonite ( Captain Cold ) he doesn't have many options.
@charliejade: Wow, Hobo. More than 4 troll posts on the same thread before slinking away with your tail between your legs for a week to avoid a ban, that's some kinda record for you, ain't it?
It's obvious you've never read a single issue with Captain Cold in it. Just stop.
@charliejade: Batman and Deathstroke would own Quicksilver too....
@entropy_aegis: I was wondering when you'd join us xD!
You forgot Savitar.
thanks, yeah forgot about Savitar
No worries, mon ami. Always here to help.
@charliejade: Batman and Deathstroke would own Quicksilver too....
lol
Folks, keep in mind that Pietro at his most powerful is when the writers don't understand his character at all and have him pulling off ridonkulous ftl feats. Quicksilver in character has said he's a supersonic speedster because running any faster would harm him on a biological level. Morals on, he's still gonna run about as fast as those bullets that Cold was able to stop.
1. Morals on: Pietro's going supersonic for personal safety.
2. Previous knowledge: If Cold knows this is happening, he's putting the field up beforehand; so arguments about his actual reaction time are irrelevant. Quicksilver with knowledge probably won't make a move unless he gets cocky, which he does have a way of doing.
3. Most Powerful Quicksilver: Like I said, will either be a time-jumper or violate his own personal morals. Again, irrelevant.
Per this particular battle's rules, Cold either outright kills Pietro or it ends up being a stalemate.
@charliejade: Cursing people to support your argument is silly,everyone brought reasonable opinions to this debate. If the debaters are supporting Captin Cold,is because they have something to prove it,they aren't fanboys. There is no need for such rudeness,this is a discussion about comics and not politics.
Please read the battle forum
Hey at least Quicksilver will be in a movie before Captain Lame, that's gotta count for something. But yeah Captain Cold wins.
A slower, blue and silver version of Flash who's highest is pretty much Mach 5 vs a guy who has the reflexes to tag Flash on a regular basis, and a cold field that can slow Flash down to a crawl?
Captain Cold, without too much difficulty.
You should realzie that his punches must not hurt ythat much since he moved at Mach 5 and when he punched Magneto(Which was also a sneak attack) it didn't KO him at all. It just had a nose bleed.
And calm down. It's just a comic character and about some guy who freezes stuff and another who runs fast. It's not a big deal. You don't have to curse people out because they have an opinion. It's a debate, you debate about who wins, not just curse them out and call them idiots or fanboys.
@ancient_0f_days: On the subject of the gambit scan I believe thats from contest champions 3 and I don't think its canon (could be wrong about the source).
A slower, blue and silver version of Flash who's highest is pretty much Mach 5 vs a guy who has the reflexes to tag Flash on a regular basis, and a cold field that can slow Flash down to a crawl?
Captain Cold, without too much difficulty.
IIRC quicksilver did once run around the world in 92 seconds so he does seem faster then mach 5.
Captain cold does still take this handily though. Probably a stomp.
You should realzie that his punches must not hurt ythat much since he moved at Mach 5 and when he punched Magneto(Which was also a sneak attack) it didn't KO him at all. It just had a nose bleed.
And calm down. It's just a comic character and about some guy who freezes stuff and another who runs fast. It's not a big deal. You don't have to curse people out because they have an opinion. It's a debate, you debate about who wins, not just curse them out and call them idiots or fanboys.
By physics, Quicksilver's punch should hit as hard as an artillery shell.
Probably because Magneto has durability (we all know Magneto can amp his durability to superhuman level). In other instance, Quicksilver may just hold back his punch.
And I'm sure pretty when Flash fought Cold, he hold back his speed as usual, I'm sure it's below Mach 10.
Just dropping by to make a point.
He was trying to save Iris so I doubt he was thinking "Let me run this slow while she is about to die!". Or why would hey hold back so much if Caltain Cold is already slowing him down? If someone is slowing you down wouldn't you think to run faster?
Hey... My scans ftw :)
That's right, Rouges respect thread FTW. (and rouges vs injustice league)
@ancient_0f_days: On the subject of the gambit scan I believe thats from contest champions 3 and I don't think its canon (could be wrong about the source).
na, contest champions was made in the 80's right? This art had to be 90's and up....
He was trying to save Iris so I doubt he was thinking "Let me run this slow while she is about to die!". Or why would hey hold back so much if Caltain Cold is already slowing him down? If someone is slowing you down wouldn't you think to run faster?
How about what if Wally was running at full speed before Captain Cold shoot him? Flash can't get miraculously frozen at the beginning of the fight.
If Flash is running at near-light speed or faster, the narration usually popped up and say that he did. Almost of all Flash's feats are when he is going faster-than-light or at it, most of the time he'll run no faster than several Mach.
Bloodlusted Flash would kill unprepared Captain Cold without effort even if he run only several times the speed of bullet.
@ancient_0f_days: there has been more then one contest of champions. Iirc god_spawn told me it was a fan voted thing in contest of champions 2 (my mistake for saying 3).
@jashro44: Just looked it up, you're correct. Thanks for the heads up
@ancient_0f_days: no problem.
Does any of this matter? Again, Cold is walking in with knowledge and with the field up, and morals are on.
In a purely random encounter where Pietro suddenly wants Len dead and Len has no acknowledgement of Pietro being there, of course Quicksilver takes it. But that'd be a pretty uneven battle thread, lol.
I like this one; it's pretty even since, with knowledge, they'd probably just skirt around each other and call it a draw by 5 hours later, at most. :D
@mightyrearranger: Cold can simply wait for Pietro to run into his invisible cold field and die......
@mightyrearranger: Cold can simply wait for Pietro to run into his invisible cold field and die......
Haha, exactly. But what I'm saying is that since both have knowledge of their opponent, Cold will know enough to walk in with the Cold Field blazing and Quicksilver will know enough to steer clear of the field.
UNLESS Pietro gets cocky and thinks he can breach the field, which is totally in character for him to think...
Bloodlusted Flash would kill unprepared Captain Cold without effort even if he run only several times the speed of bullet.
If a bullet goes thorugh absolute zero than it freezes right there.
How about what if Wally was running at full speed before Captain Cold shoot him? Flash can't get miraculously frozen at the beginning of the fight.
Quicksilver isn't Flash though.
If Flash is running at near-light speed or faster, the narration usually popped up and say that he did. Almost of all Flash's feats are when he is going faster-than-light or at it, most of the time he'll run no faster than several Mach.
No it's when he's doing something significant during light speed. Even when he's with teh JLA and they say "I'm going to be here in X amount of time he always complains about how that would take forever and that he can get to this point in X amount of seconds.
They don't need to say he's going light speed to think he's light speed. Why would he just go a few machs when he can go far above that and get to the destination quicker...something he likes to do?
But what makes you say that he only goes a few mach and not atleast near light speed?
Bloodlusted Flash would kill unprepared Captain Cold without effort even if he run only several times the speed of bullet.
If a bullet goes thorugh absolute zero than it freezes right there.
How about what if Wally was running at full speed before Captain Cold shoot him? Flash can't get miraculously frozen at the beginning of the fight.
Quicksilver isn't Flash though.
If Flash is running at near-light speed or faster, the narration usually popped up and say that he did. Almost of all Flash's feats are when he is going faster-than-light or at it, most of the time he'll run no faster than several Mach.
No it's when he's doing something significant during light speed. Even when he's with teh JLA and they say "I'm going to be here in X amount of time he always complains about how that would take forever and that he can get to this point in X amount of seconds.
They don't need to say he's going light speed to think he's light speed. Why would he just go a few machs when he can go far above that and get to the destination quicker...something he likes to do?
But what makes you say that he only goes a few mach and not atleast near light speed?
That's not the main point, I'm not debating about Quicksilver now but rather Captain Cold's weaknesses, do you seriously think that Captain Cold have his absolute zero field up 24/7? Did you think it magically appear from his body? My point is what if he's unprepared. What if he's taking a shower? Flash could just kill him running at the speed of bullet, right there.
That's not the main point, I'm not debating about Quicksilver now but rather Captain Cold's weaknesses, do you seriously think that Captain Cold have his absolute zero field up 24/7? Did you think it magically appear from his body? My point is what if he's unprepared. What if he's taking a shower? Flash could just kill him running at the speed of bullet, right there.
Let's go again.
1) Captain Cold is now a metahuman,obviously the absolute zero field isn't up everyday if that were the case would kill everyone around.
2) About the shower,he's already demonstrated to be immune to his own powers. If you want exploit a real good weakness,you can say can take out the air running around it.
3) Flash couldn't beat him,because the inertia field (Scan below,read Flash though in the right side) and yes he can't turn this off.
That's not the main point, I'm not debating about Quicksilver now but rather Captain Cold's weaknesses, do you seriously think that Captain Cold have his absolute zero field up 24/7? Did you think it magically appear from his body? My point is what if he's unprepared. What if he's taking a shower? Flash could just kill him running at the speed of bullet, right there.
Let's go again.
1) Captain Cold is now a metahuman,obviously the absolute zero field isn't up everyday if that were the case would kill everyone around.
2) About the shower,he's already demonstrated to be immune to his own powers. If you want exploit a real good weakness,you can say can take out the air running around it.
3) Flash couldn't beat him,because the inertia field (Scan below,read Flash though in the right side) and yes he can't turn this off.
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Well, that's New 52 Captain Cold, obviously.
And about showering, I didn't mean he'll hurt himself while showering, and I'm talking about pre-52 Captain Cold here. I'm saying that if he's taking shower (thus he have no equipment or stuffs), even street levelers would murdered him.
@angryhulks: ok
I have nothing left to say other than it's still possible for Quicksilver to beat Captain Cold in certain situation.
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