Protege and Pre-Retcon Beyonder VS Thanos Hotu and Great Evil Beast

Who will win?

GEB solos.

Geb solos.

Pre Retcon Beyonder solos.

@ordinaryalan: why.

This is a mismatch if you ask me.

@fat_hobo389: in favour of who.

This.

lol

@gameon234: GEB and thanos. And as you said geb probably solos,thanos might too.

@fat_hobo389: fair enough.

LOL and GEB soloing.

@krleavenger: mind explaining how the Beyonder doesn't have infinite power.

Because he's shown to be more powerful than any other character listed here.

@ordinaryalan: More powerful than a character with limitless power I think not beyonder maybe a billion times stronger than marvel universe but even that doesn't scratch the surface of the dark half of infinity.

@gameon234: Mind explaining how GEB is also limited?

@krleavenger: he's half of the presence who has been described as infinite and eternal the marvel multiverse may be a drop in the ocean for beyonder but geb is every ocean stretching to infinity also his best feat was being billion of times stronger than the marvel universe which is barley a multi multiversal feat Geb is infinitely beyond DC.

@gameon234: Presence said he is limited himself even tho he is infinite and eternal.

For your information LT dwarfs Eternity (who is Multiversal) while at the same time he is a bug compare to Beyonder.

@krleavenger: he said he was shaped by imagination it's hardly a limit there isn't a single thing he can't do as he was implied to be all encompassing infinite everything during his confrontation with GEB the GEB is just that side of the same coin also Dream is multiversal too heck even more and dream is nothing to death as death killed him with a touch and death is nothing to lucifer who the presence is infinitely beyond beyonder uses a huge amount of power to kill death presence created the concept of death.

@gameon234: He said he is below what molded him which right on makes him less impressive.

Who cares of he needed power to destroy death? Characters so weaker than him destroyed Death way more easy so you should not try to use that inconsistency to prove your point.

@krleavenger: he never said that seeing as how it was the imagination of humanity that molded him it's far from true unless you would imply he can't defeat a single human.

Presences has countless statements of him being infinite not only did he create all multiverses except lucifers He's hand extends ever where in the grand scheme of things beyonder would be below that as beyonder isn't everywhere nor does he rule everywhere.

@gameon234: I see no reason why he is above Beyonder.

I care less about him creating the Multiverse. Eternity did the same thing.

@krleavenger: his hand created all multiverses also read my post dream created two multiverses death of the endless is the death of every multiverse lucifer created his own totality all of them are far beneath the presence also does beyonder have feats of his own without scaling the presence has clear cut feats of extending evrery where beyonder can't match that.

@krleavenger: The Presence is omnipotent, he only stated he was created by external forces (referring to the writers)

@gameon234: And Living Tribunal dwarfs Eternity just like Presence dwarfs Endless. Lucifer never created the Multiverse. He created the Universe.

@thesuperor: No he was talking about Prime Monitor, the actual Omnipotent being in DC.

Nowhere was there any indication that he was referring to the writers. That is your wishful thinking.

Michael created the multiverse, people who say otherwise are just ignorant

@krleavenger: it was infinite making it bigger than the marvel multiverse which isn't even infinite also if you wanna play that game the marvel multiverse was never a multiverse in beyondera meaning beyonder isn't even

Multiversal.

@gameon234: LOL now you are lowballing. I'm Done with this.

@mysticmedivh: Can you please draw some sense here. I'm kinda tired.

@krleavenger: says the person that thinks lucifer is universal I wasn't low balling until you brought that up fact is there's no proof marvel was a multiverse during beyonder era I've seen people debunk it many times even if beyonder is billion times stronger than a universe it it still not multiversal

@krleavenger: @mysticmedivh is just gonna lowball every DC character

@thesuperor: Saying beyonder solos GEB is the very definition of low balling.

Sorry, but me saying Lucifer/Michael created and shaped a universe isn't "lowballing every DC character", especially considering that it was stated to be a universe numerous times.

@gameon234: At least I never saw Lucifer doing anything Multiversal and you are calling Marvel Multiverse Non Multiverse/Non infinite even tho IT was stated to be infinite milions of times. Jesus...

Stop tagging me.

@mysticmedivh: so marvel calling their multiverse an omniverse automatically makes it an omniverse no offence but your ignoring all context.

@mysticmedivh: The thing Lucifer created with Michael's power was the multiverse, it was creation

@krleavenger: then don't tag me either.

Also by statements it's infinite by feats it's far from it. You probably haven't even read lucifer.

@thesuperor: the were both multiversal as the were called infinite multiple times and were proven to be infinite by feats.

Plus the were called multiversal twice that's enough for me

@gameon234:

He told you not to tag him yet you tagged him just to tell him not to tag you?

@gameon234 said:

@gameon234: If you are referring to Lucifer and Michael, yes they are multiversal

So is Eternity.

@thesuperor: well lucifer was able to merge two multiverses making him beyond multiversal also marvel multiverse being stated to be infinite is highly contradicted by feats seeing as how choas King devoured 98percent of it which is impossible

Yes, but Michael and Lucifer are higher multiversal beings much like the Living Tribunal

@thesuperor: I'm not gonna get into that saying yes or no. All I said is the other guy is lowballing Marvel a lot.

I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

The Marvel multiverse is not the Marvel omniverse.

So now you're not sure if it's a multiverse anymore?

What makes a multiversal feat impressive is not that it affects, creates, or destroys a couple of universes or multiple dimensions, but often it means affecting an infinite amount of universes. All of totality.

Lucifer's creation was stated numerous times to be a "universe". Once, just once, was it referred to as a multiverse in Nirvana. Now what makes sense logically? Why should one statement outweigh dozens? Surely if he created a multiverse you can find more evidence that it was not simply a universe. But without that one instance in Nirvana, the whole multiversal notion falls apart. As if it doesn't already given the other things I brought up. There's just nothing else to suggest so.

Even if you want to bring in the writer's own words into this matter, Mike Carey said it was a universe containing dimensions. Not a multiverse, being defined as a collection of infinite universes and realities.

@mysticmedivh: point is lucifer multiverse may have been called a universe but it's far different to what's it's been called it was Also called infinite on countless occasions and one infinite universe should be the same size as an infinite amount universes also it was called multiversal twice not just once and some vertigo imprints seem to believe it as a multiverse as vertigo has been called a multiverse in several occasions and lucifer and Michael created vertigo.