Professor X vs. Martian Manhunter

@reaverlation: That is a great point because Martians in their natural state don't seem to have vocal chords. Hmmmmmm

@alak: onslaught story shows us what Xavier could do with no restraint he was stronger than fernus. and xavier has better over all feats than moon dragon

she caught him by surprise once thats the only evidence that she was stronger she has done nothing else.

@comic_book_fan: Xavier ain't above Fernus

@reaverlation: onslaught is and onslaught was to xavier what fernus was to manhunter.

@comic_book_fan: If Onslaught is a bloodlusted Xavier,is what you're saying,then he isn't above J'onn

@reaverlation: he is and by feats he is above jon.

@comic_book_fan: Onslaught isn't just Xavier. He's a combination of Xavier, Magneto, Franklin Richards, and Nate Grey. Even then, his TP feats aren't particularly special... especially when you pit them against what J'onn has done with morals on. Xavier by himself isn't comparable to MMH at all.

@comic_book_fan: no not really. Scanning a galaxy,invading the mind of mageddon,and forcing the Joker sane while he was in possession of the warlogog is better than Xavier's feats

Mmm, I'm going to call it a draw. They seem to be about equal feat wise. Ultimate Xavier would beat MM, but Fernus stomps both, but then Legion (Xavier's son) stomps on Fernus all day long.

Yep, and add on the facts that J'onn held off a TP attack from multiple augmented white martians, invaded the mind of Spectre (the Wrath of God), and just recently wrecked Despero (one of the most powerful telepaths in the DC universe) in a mind-battle. Even in their rematch, when Despero was physically pummeling J'onn into the ground, the latter was still capable of shielding his mind.

@rd189

Mmm, I'm going to call it a draw. They seem to be about equal feat wise. Ultimate Xavier would beat MM, but Fernus stomps both, but then Legion (Xavier's son) stomps on Fernus all day long.

Ultimate Xavier doesn't have any feats nearing 616 Xavier let alone Martian Manhunter

@alak: recently wrecking Despero is New 52 J'onn. Pre 52 Despero would wreck down either Pre or New 52 J'onn

Cept for convincing the entire world that Magneto was dead, as well as communicating with Gah Lak Tus

@rd189 He convinced the people in the immediate area that Magneto was dead by making it look like he died. No Telepathy was needed.

He communicated with Gah Lak Tus while massively amped by S.H.I.E.L.D, even more so than he normally is with Cerebro.

@alak: the same spectre that got hurt by adam and by uncle sam he has not been nearly as uber as he should be in years.

despero has no real feats in new 52

@comic_book_fan: really?Trying to lowball Spectre and J'onn's feat?You're just reaching right now and in fact ridiculous

mm wins if n52

Xavier has power but if he could barely be able to hold a hive mind of hundreds in his control i highly doubt he could face mm when telepathy was a way of life for the martians and they connected with millions every second and those millions were not a hive mind

@reaverlation: i don't have to DC comics does it for me just because you look for any bs feat that never should have happened to support your theory that every dc character is better than their marvel counterpart doesn't make it true not to mention xavier probed the beyonder who is every bit as powerful as spectre if not more so.

well to be fair if your going to use the most powerful version of mmh you need to compare that to onslaught

imop mmh could pull out a win but so could x whoever attacks with real force first will win. And as far as i know j'onn tends to get down with the heavy psy energy quicker then x who is always trying to do just enough. But both have similar feats well j'onn tends to use raw power a bit more vs x who is much more creative. But when x lets loose his top end feats probably slightly top j'onns or they are a draw but from most psy battles i have seen the one who hits hard first usually has a major advantage and with the exp both have in psy battles turning that around is unlikely for either one.

tho with morals its a draw they read each others minds and become allies

the fernnis onslaught fight would be quick tho onslaught is just to much for him even without restraints

MMH for sure.

@comic_book_fan: This is just that typical whining people do and showing your status as a marvel worshipper.Xavier hasn't probed the mind of Beyonder and if you want to use some extreme high end feat,then Xavier failing to tp Cyclops with a portion of the Phoenix force and getting shut down hard,or failing to get into galactus mind even with other minds helping him in a psychic attack,or completely shut down by Hulk's mind is downright humiliating seeing how J'onn has TP'd more powerful things than those 3.And that J'onn thinks helluva lot faster than Xavier meaning J'onn can shut down Xavier's mind before he has a thought.

@reaverlation: he did probe beyonder's mind cyclops had the full phoenix power when he beat Xavier and he got into galactus's mind it just didn't change galactus mind and he got kicked out later.

MMH. Also can someone tell me what MMH n52 has done?

@comic_book_fan: cyclops didn't have the entire Phoenix force.It was only a portion and Xavier had trouble TPing Scott while Scott was holding back.Xavier failed to TP Galactus mind and Hulk as well.

@reaverlation: no the rest of the phoenix 5 were all downed so there fraction went to cyclops.

and he didn't try to shut galactus down he succeeded in what he was trying he tried to guilt him into not eating the planet.

@crest: Read my subsequent post about why Onslaught is invalidated as an Xavier feat. Even if you want to reach that far, Onslaught still doesn't beat morals-on MMH due to reason that I (and others) have mentioned in this topic.

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@alak: xavier is manhunter probed billions of minds so did xavier manhunter reached across space so did xavier .

and onslaught was xavier it started in the 30th anniversary issues he absorbed magneto's mind but it was still his body he was absorbing the minds of these characters and stealing there powers as he went but it was still charles' darkside doing this meaning it was him no longer holding back.

@lol: @mikep12:

Here's a good link:

http://www.comicvine.com/martian-manhunter/4005-2047/forums/new-52-martian-manhunter-respect-thread-670357/

I'm not sure how frequently it's updated, but it contains a lot of good feats.

@alak: Cool thanks

Martian to my knowledge.

@reaverlation: Scott did have the whole force when he killed Charles and he TP'd one fifth of the Phoenix Force (and the Avengers with it) pretty easily.

pro x

@sovereign91001: yeah thats the scan i was looking for and it was 2/5 because namor and Rachel both had phoenix powers.

@comic_book_fan: Rachel didn't have Phoenix powers at the time and hadn't for years. That's just her power signature, she use to get the glyph over the eye even after the force left her.

MM

@sovereign91001: yeah my bad i thought she was one of them but magik was the one i forgot.

Xavier doesn't have the multiversal telepathy feats that MMH has. Martian stomps in telepathy.

J'onn in less than a second.

@hus: i wanna say martian manhunter simply because he's had over 200 million years experience with his telepathy

my DCUO character solos both of them.

xavier atleast ties him and full potential beats manhunters.

J'ohn.

@comic_book_fan: I think J'onn has Charles here. All of X's best feats are PIS.

@clownprinceofcrime1995: lol how do you figure

Professor x is the better telepath.

Xavier in my opinion .

TP wise def goes to Charles

professor x can absorb powers onslaught was xavier's darkside and him no longer holding back.

evidence when did onslaught start xavier took magneto's mind away then all of a sudden could duplicate his powers.

earlier in the fatal attractions xavier hijacked magneto's powers without controlling his mind.

later he took the form of onslaught and absorbed more people but for it to snow ball xavier had to have that power to begin with.

also where onslaught xavier's brain thats why red skull could channel his powers later in axes.

if he stops holding back he could probably absorb manhunter and gain his physical powers and add his telepathy to his own.

plus xavier can use his powers after death.