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#252  Edited By NICK31898

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@LiroyJenkins said:

Hulk. Might even overpower superman strengthwise, while being bloodlusted.

Regular Hulk isn't even close to Superman's level of strength, Kara has too many abilities to stomp Hulk with.

Hulk has practically unlimited strength increasing proportional to his anger. So Hulk wins this. Also it's not stated which version of the hulk we use here.

If it's WWH or worldbreaker Hulk, the Hulk is more than heavily favored.

No, even if this is WB Hulk he loses. He won't touch her. And "unlimited strength" means nothing, because You can't compare it to anything.

No, Hulk would win ESPECIALLY if this is world breaker hulk. WB Hulk is his most powerful form. He isn't holding back. He can take anything she dishes, and then some. I don't think she can do the vise versa.

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@ghostravage said:

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: Actually, i believe Ms. Marvel isn't on Hulk's tier, not even in Red Hulk's tier.

Rulk is actually fighting Ms. Marvel, Ares, Sentry and Wonder Man and actually giving them a hard time. I think the Hulks and the Kryptonians are a few tiers above. But there's no doubt she's a high tier.

ms marvel is nowhere near hulk and kryptonians,she has no feats to prove that.

Of course he did, he gives Hulk a hard time, so why not everyone else?

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#254  Edited By gokuwarrior

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Yea it is and she loses like ww would only a little worse.

in your dreams,the fact that you called power girl and super girl mid top tiers proves once again that you are bias,SP and PG have better feats than ms marvel,SP was able to counter lobe in arm wrersting,PG had the upper hand against black adam ,defeated a superman clon,etc,they would destroy ms marvel,PG is too fast and versatil for the hulk.

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#255  Edited By dum529001

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As I said before, Power girl is not faster than Hulk.

Examples:

Hulk can bust out several thousand of megatons of nuclear power without breaking a sweat. This alone shows that his him up to speed with any character in this thread.

The seconcday blast wave of a nuclear explosion is hundreds of times the speed of sound and the direct atom-smashing forces travel at light-speed of greater.

Muscle power is all about the speed of muscle contraction. Muscles put out power by stretching and then rapidly shortening like rubber bands.

Hulk hits with the force of a huge nuclear arsenal. His muscle contractions move at the speed of light or greater to do that, because of the atom smashing forces that he's fueled by, known as gamma-rays.

Once again, we can see the Hulk's power easily dwarfs any nuclear assault that earth can muster. Here he shown ripping through a bunker designed to withstand the explosion of many thousands of megatons in magnitude. "Against the force of the gamma-energized Hulk.... it fares not well at all inincredible Hulk #177:

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First of all let me ask...

Which is greater?

A. the energy required to pull earth out its orbit of the sun

OR

B. the energy required to reverse the planet's orbit, therefore pushing back and overpowering the electromagnetic force the sun puts on the earth?

The answer is B.

If you would actually read it, this is exactly what the Hulk is shown doing in this comic scan:

Overpowering a field of energy endowed with sufficient power to change the orbit of a planet(Tales to Astonish#89)

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Hulk has the power to move a planet at baseline.

The fact that the field strength needed to be increased is proof that Hulk was contesting that kind of power.

Even so, Hulk showed power to overcome a planet's kinetic energy, which is better than overcoming the force it has while it's just sitting there in its static state.

It takes 632 quadrillion 850 trillion megatons(6.3285*10^17) just to stop the earth's orbit. Hulk overpowered energy that could not only stop a planet's orbit but reverse it as well, which means Hulk was able to put out even more power than that.

The gravitational binding energy of earth is 224 nontillion joules(224,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000). There is 4 quadrillion 184 trillion joules per megaton(1 Mt = 4,184,000,000,000,000 J). Therefore, it takes 53 quadrillion 537 trillion 285 billion megatons to smash earth to smithereens(5.3537285*10^16). According to what Hulk has shown, Hulk can also destroy a planet at his baseline power level.

At a second meeting years later, The Stranger recognize that Hulk was even stronger than before because once again, Hulk shrugs off the energy that the Stranger uses in an attempt to render him motionless inMarvel Two-In-One annual #2:

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Here's Hulk doing a feat of great cosmic proportions once again:

Applying force to the space-time structure itself to prevent the Defenders from being absorbed into a fissure(Defenders#3)(with the size of the singularity estimated in about seven feets according to the Schwarzschild radius, then it's mass/gravitational attraction, by the equivalence principle, is thus equivalent to roughly two hundreds Earths),

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Hulk matches power and withstands attacks from Galaxy Master, a foe with planet-splitting power, not once but twice! in incredible Hulk #112and incredible Hulk #270:

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Savage Hulk vs Galaxy Master, from Incredible Hulk #112:

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Savage Hulk vs Galaxy Master rematch, from Incredible Hulk #270:

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One of the Hulk's sons, Hiro-Kala, has the power to throw a planet at the earth with planet-busting force with the use of two power sources known as the "old-power" and "new-power" but the Hulk resists his power inIncredible Hulks #615-16:

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World War Hulk vs Hiro Kala, from Incredible Hulks #615-16:

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A single thunderclap shreds an entire battalion of tanks with force of "near nuclear proportions" in Tales to Astonish #67:

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Savage Hulk has wracked Hyperion with a single thunderclap -- that also reverberates for blocks and shatters Dr. Spectrum's prism in Defenders#4:

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The power of gamma rays on full display here as the Hulk's "gamma-spawned might" can also give light to an "eons-dark cosmos" in Incredible Hulk #126:

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The seismic activity produced by Hulk's casual strikes and clashes between other powerhouses are equal to several megatons since they shown around the "9.0" mark on the ritcter scale.

Approximate MagnitudeApproximate TNT for
Seismic Energy Yield
Joule equivalentExample
0.015 g63
0.230 g130 kJLarge hand grenade
0.585 g360 kJ
1.0480 g2.0 MJ
1.21.1 kg4.9 MJSingle stick of dynamite [DynoMax Pro]
1.42.2 kg9.8 MJSeismic impact of typical small construction blast
1.52.7 kg11 MJ
2.015 kg63 MJ
2.121 kg89 MJWest fertilizer plant explosion[21]
2.585 kg360 MJ
3.0480 kg2.0 GJ
3.52.7 metric tons11 GJPEPCON fuel plant explosion, Henderson, Nevada, 1988

Dallas, Texas earthquake, September 30, 2012

3.879.5 metric tons40 GJExplosion at Chernobyl nuclear power plant, 1986
3.9111 metric tons46 GJMassive Ordnance Air Blast bomb

St. Patrick's Day earthquake, Auckland, New Zealand, 2013 [22][23]

4.015 metric tons63 GJMaine/New England, October 16, 2012
4.343 metric tons180 GJKent Earthquake (Britain), 2007

Eastern Kentucky earthquake, November 2012

5.0480 metric tons2.0 TJLincolnshire earthquake (UK), 2008

Ontario-Quebec earthquake (Canada), 2010[24][25]

5.52.7 kilotons11 TJLittle Skull Mtn. earthquake (Nevada, USA), 1992

Oklahoma City bombing, 1995 Alum Rock earthquake (California), 2007
Chino Hills earthquake (Southern California), 2008

5.63.8 kilotons16 TJNewcastle, Australia, 1989

Oklahoma, 2011
Pernik, Bulgaria, 2012

6.015 kilotons63 TJDouble Spring Flat earthquake (Nevada, USA), 1994

Approximate magnitude of Virginia/Washington, D.C./East Coastearthquake, 2011
Approximate yield of the Little Boy Atomic Bomb dropped on Hiroshima (~16 kt)

6.343 kilotons180 TJRhodes earthquake (Greece), 2008

Jericho earthquake (British Palestine), 1927
Christchurch earthquake (New Zealand), 2011

6.460 kilotons250 TJKaohsiung earthquake (Taiwan), 2010

Vancouver earthquake (Canada), 2011

6.585 kilotons360 TJCaracas earthquake (Venezuela), 1967

Irpinia earthquake (Italy), 1980
Eureka earthquake (California, USA), 2010
Zumpango del Rio earthquake (Guerrero, Mexico), 2011[26]

6.6120 kilotons500 TJSan Fernando earthquake (California, USA), 1971
6.7170 kilotons710 TJNorthridge earthquake (California, USA), 1994
6.8240 kilotons1.0 PJNisqually earthquake (Anderson Island, WA), 2001

Great Hanshin earthquake (Kobe, Japan), 1995
Gisborne earthquake (Gisborne, NZ), 2007

6.9340 kilotons1.4 PJSan Francisco Bay Area earthquake (California, USA), 1989

Pichilemu earthquake (Chile), 2010
Sikkim earthquake (Nepal-India Border), 2011

7.0480 kilotons2.0 PJJava earthquake (Indonesia), 2009

Haiti earthquake, 2010

7.1680 kilotons2.8 PJMessina earthquake (Italy), 1908

San Juan earthquake (Argentina), 1944
Canterbury earthquake (New Zealand), 2010

7.2950 kilotons4.0 PJVrancea earthquake (Romania), 1977

1980 Azores Islands Earthquake
Baja California earthquake (Mexico), 2010

7.52.7 megatons11 PJKashmir earthquake (Pakistan), 2005

Antofagasta earthquake (Chile), 2007

7.63.8 megatons16 PJNicoya earthquake (Costa Rica), 2012

Oaxaca earthquake (Mexico), 2012
Gujarat earthquake (India), 2001
İzmit earthquake (Turkey), 1999
Jiji earthquake (Taiwan), 1999

7.75.4 megatons22 PJSumatra earthquake (Indonesia), 2010

Haida Gwaii earthquake (Canada), 2012

7.87.6 megatons32 PJTangshan earthquake (China), 1976

Hawke's Bay earthquake (New Zealand), 1931
Luzon earthquake (Philippines), 1990

7.910-15 megatons42-63 PJTunguska event
1802 Vrancea earthquake

Great Kanto earthquake (Japan), 1923

8.015 megatons63 PJMino-Owari earthquake (Japan), 1891

San Juan earthquake (Argentina), 1894
San Francisco earthquake (California, USA), 1906
Queen Charlotte Islands earthquake (B.C., Canada), 1949
Chincha Alta earthquake (Peru), 2007
Sichuan earthquake (China), 2008
Kangra earthquake, 1905

8.121 megatons89 PJMéxico City earthquake (Mexico), 1985

Guam earthquake, August 8, 1993[27]

8.3550 megatons210 PJTsar Bomba - Largest thermonuclear weapon ever tested
8.585 megatons360 PJSumatra earthquake (Indonesia), 2007
8.6120 megatons500 PJSumatra earthquake (Indonesia), 2012
8.7170 megatons710 PJSumatra earthquake (Indonesia), 2005
8.75200 megatons840 PJKrakatoa 1883
8.8240 megatons1.0 EJChile earthquake, 2010,
9.0480 megatons2.0 EJLisbon earthquake (Portugal), All Saints Day, 1755
The Great Japan earthquake, March 2011
9.15800 megatons3.3 EJToba eruption 75,000 years ago; among the largest known volcanic events.[28]
9.2950 megatons4.0 EJAnchorage earthquake (Alaska, USA), 1964
Sumatra-Andaman earthquake and tsunami (Indonesia), 2004
9.52.7 gigatons11 EJValdivia earthquake (Chile), 1960
10.015 gigatons63 EJNever recorded, equivalent to an earthquake rupturing a very large, lengthy fault, or an extremely rare/impossible mega-earthquake, shown in science fiction[clarification needed]
12.55100 teratons420 ZJYucatán Peninsula impact (creating Chicxulub crater) 65 Ma ago (108 megatons; over 4x1030 ergs = 400 ZJ).[29][30][31][32][33]
22.88 or 32310 yottatons1.3×1039 JApproximate magnitude of the starquake on the magnetarSGR 1806-20, registered on December 27, 2004.[clarification needed]

While they can be localized, most of the time Savage Hulk's shockwaves are catastrophic in nature. Here the shockwaves are registered by seismologists in Incredible Hulk #147:

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A double-fist pound's shockwave rumbles the Rainbow Bridge enough to toss aside Heimdall in Tales to Astonish #101:

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He's destroyed an entire subterranean city with the shockwaves produced by a single blow in Incredible Hulk #127:

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His double-fist pounds have caused volcanic eruptions in Incredible Hulk #117 and 170:

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Once again, here's another good example of Hulk's great striking power in Incredible Hulk #118:

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Even while in upstate New York, his shockwaves are felt instantly miles away in Maine in Incredible Hulk Annual 2001:

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A single footstomp's "shockwave causes devastation for miles" in Incredible Hulk Annual 2001:

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Another double-fist pound sends shockwaves rippling across a town in Deadpool vol.5 #39:

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He punches a platform underneath a gigantic Wendigo and Bi-Beast so hard, he sends them to outer space in Incredible Hulks#631:

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Savage Hulk clashes with Hyperion and the shockwaves they radiate are felt "countless miles away, [as] geologists look to their seismographs -- then shake their heads in disbelief." From Defenders #13:

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But Savage Hulk can wreak even greater havoc solo. Here, Savage Hulk's double-fist pound in Colorado creates shockwaves that are felt all the way out inDenmark, from Incredible Hulk Annual #5:

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Here, he tears open the side of a mountain base in Incredible Hulk vol.2 #64:

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And Hulk has also opened a fissure in the earth in Incredible Hulk #130-135:

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And he's also stopped and close a rift using only his hands in incredible Hulk #203:

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Hulk can punch through doors made to handle a nuclear strike:

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Hulk punches right through a mountain busting warhead:

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@logy5000 said:

@moonman78 said:

@logy5000:

Yea it is and she loses like ww would only a little worse.

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he is serious,moonman78 is the same user that says ms marvel has better battle feats than power girl and super girl and should beat them in a fight.

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@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: Actually, i believe Ms. Marvel isn't on Hulk's tier, not even in Red Hulk's tier.

Rulk is actually fighting Ms. Marvel, Ares, Sentry and Wonder Man and actually giving them a hard time. I think the Hulks and the Kryptonians are a few tiers above. But there's no doubt she's a high tier.

What comic is that from? While I agree that Rulk should be able to beat Samson, Ms. Marvel, and Ares in 1 on 1, but Sentry and Wonder Man alone are more than capable of defeating him. At least current Wonder Man is. I seem to recall someone in the issue saying Simon was never this strong and he choked Rulk out cold. Sentry I think should dispatch him without a large amount of trouble. Even when he was unstable, Sentry was able to fight relatively closely with WWH and we saw what happened the last time Hulk and Rulk fought. Hulk was tanking his best shots and beat him with a thunder clap.

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@dum529001:as i said before those aren't speed,those scans don't prove how fast he is,he isn't even moving at super speed,PG is much faster.

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@nick31898:she is too fast for him,she can fly,has range attacks.

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@dum529001:like i said before those aren't speed feats,PG is much faster.

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#262  Edited By dum529001

@gokuwarrior said:

@dum529001:like i said before those aren't speed feats,PG is much faster.

You have no proof of that. You just ignore the facts you don't like.

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@dum529001:i have proof,PG is a kryptonian and has speed in wonder woman's level,maybe higher,she has true super speed feats and has fight people with much better speed feats than hulk,in the scans you showed hulk isn't even using super speed,you just speculate to put hulk's speed on a level that it is not.

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@dum529001:i have proof,PG is a kryptonian and has speed in wonder woman's level,maybe higher,she has true super speed feats and has fight people with much better speed feats than hulk,in the scans you showed hulk isn't even using super speed,you just speculate to put hulk's speed on a level that it is not.

Again, you have no proof.

No one you mentioned is better than Hulk.

Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it true.

You have nothing to back up what you say.

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@ghostravage said:

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: Actually, i believe Ms. Marvel isn't on Hulk's tier, not even in Red Hulk's tier.

Rulk is actually fighting Ms. Marvel, Ares, Sentry and Wonder Man and actually giving them a hard time. I think the Hulks and the Kryptonians are a few tiers above. But there's no doubt she's a high tier.

What comic is that from? While I agree that Rulk should be able to beat Samson, Ms. Marvel, and Ares in 1 on 1, but Sentry and Wonder Man alone are more than capable of defeating him. At least current Wonder Man is. I seem to recall someone in the issue saying Simon was never this strong and he choked Rulk out cold. Sentry I think should dispatch him without a large amount of trouble. Even when he was unstable, Sentry was able to fight relatively closely with WWH and we saw what happened the last time Hulk and Rulk fought. Hulk was tanking his best shots and beat him with a thunder clap.

It's from HULK smash Avengers #5

I used the scans to show how Rulk who is on Hulk's tier, is giving trouble to these people altogether including Ms. Marvel, which 2 people claimed she was on Hulk's or Kryptonians tier.

I agree with you Wonder Man and Sentry should be able to handle Rulk by themselves pretty well. Actually, Wonder Man has fought with Hulk before and handle himself pretty good. Nonetheless, we have this instance...

I believe its from Avengers Vol. 4

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@gokuwarrior said:

@dum529001:i have proof,PG is a kryptonian and has speed in wonder woman's level,maybe higher,she has true super speed feats and has fight people with much better speed feats than hulk,in the scans you showed hulk isn't even using super speed,you just speculate to put hulk's speed on a level that it is not.

Again, you have no proof.

No one you mentioned is better than Hulk.

Just because you want something to be true doesn't make it true.

You have nothing to back up what you say.

i have proof wonder woman is much faster than hulk and PG is as fast as her,PG and wonder woman have hundreds of speed feats,you are the one that has no real speed feats for hulk.

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@ghostravage: That's the Wonder Man instance I mentioned when he choked him out. I just recall someone in the arc saying Simon was never that powerful before. So it seemed he had an upgrade, but I could be wrong about them mentioning it. Simon's been all over the place as far as showings go, and has had a lot of statements saying he's got like Sentry level strength or he is close to Thor despite not really falling to those levels.

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@ghostravage: That's the Wonder Man instance I mentioned when he choked him out. I just recall someone in the arc saying Simon was never that powerful before. So it seemed he had an upgrade, but I could be wrong about them mentioning it. Simon's been all over the place as far as showings go, and has had a lot of statements saying he's got like Sentry level strength or he is close to Thor despite not really falling to those levels.

Yea Wonderman was amped past normal levels. I vaguely remember someone saying that as well.

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@ghostravage: That's the Wonder Man instance I mentioned when he choked him out. I just recall someone in the arc saying Simon was never that powerful before. So it seemed he had an upgrade, but I could be wrong about them mentioning it. Simon's been all over the place as far as showings go, and has had a lot of statements saying he's got like Sentry level strength or he is close to Thor despite not really falling to those levels.

Yeah he sort of got an upgrade in my eyes too... I never saw Wonder Man teleporting either and in that instance he did it. But the same can be said about Rulk, after Loeb's run, i believe the last time Rulk actually pulled a good show was in HULK smash Avengers #5. So i guess, Wonder Man received an upgrade while Rulk got a downgrade.

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@ghostravage: I don't think Rulk has really gotten a downgrade, I think they have just made him more consistent. Loeb had his levels kind of all over the place, like making him fight OF Thor and win, only for Thor to come back and almost kill him because "he stopped holding back." He had him punch the watcher, kill Abomination, beat a noob Surfer, and yet Punisher stabbed him in the chest with a regular combat knife and it took him forever to heal his eyes and scratches and admitted Wolverine could have killed him if he wanted to. He had Rulk also trash She-Hulk before. WWH barely sold her hit and floored her in one with Jen even commenting "God help us." I don't think Loeb ever really had a consistent handle on Rulk despite being his creation. He made him kind of a plot character and just tried to Gary Stu him and give him some outlandish feats, but when he tried to write him to a lower level, it didn't pan out. Hulk still eventually came out and trashed him.

Just off the top of my head, Rulk was still tanking hits from Thor, he was tanking what Iron Man in his bleeding edge armor unloaded on him. He was fighting evenly with Colossonaut, and even hurt him. He was also tanking hits from his ascended form as well. Rulk also got a good hit on PF Namor, and when Namor twisted his arm almost completely off, he healed relatively quickly. And have you seen Juggernaut Colossus? Dude was beastly at times.

I think in the issue presented, Rulk and Wonder man could have thrown down for awhile judging by how he was able to still seem ok after a good hit, but Wonder Man got him with a good hit, teleported behind him, and choked him unconscious. It wasn't a pure brawl.

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@ghostravage: I don't think Rulk has really gotten a downgrade, I think they have just made him more consistent. Loeb had his levels kind of all over the place, like making him fight OF Thor and win, only for Thor to come back and almost kill him because "he stopped holding back." He had him punch the watcher, kill Abomination, beat a noob Surfer, and yet Punisher stabbed him in the chest with a regular combat knife and it took him forever to heal his eyes and scratches and admitted Wolverine could have killed him if he wanted to. He had Rulk also trash She-Hulk before. WWH barely sold her hit and floored her in one with Jen even commenting "God help us." I don't think Loeb ever really had a consistent handle on Rulk despite being his creation. He made him kind of a plot character and just tried to Gary Stu him and give him some outlandish feats, but when he tried to write him to a lower level, it didn't pan out. Hulk still eventually came out and trashed him.

Just off the top of my head, Rulk was still tanking hits from Thor, he was tanking what Iron Man in his bleeding edge armor unloaded on him. He was fighting evenly with Colossonaut, and even hurt him. He was also tanking hits from his ascended form as well. Rulk also got a good hit on PF Namor, and when Namor twisted his arm almost completely off, he healed relatively quickly. And have you seen Juggernaut Colossus? Dude was beastly at times.

I think in the issue presented, Rulk and Wonder man could have thrown down for awhile judging by how he was able to still seem ok after a good hit, but Wonder Man got him with a good hit, teleported behind him, and choked him unconscious. It wasn't a pure brawl.

Doesn't Rulk also risk staying in Hulk-form forever, never to assume his human form again, if he overuses the energy absorbion ability that allowed him to do a bunch of crazy stunts, such as killing an Elder of the universe or beating the crap out of Odin force-Thor, etc?

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@dum529001: I thought that was a lie or something? Or was it that if he keeps absorbing energy he dies? I know one of the two was a lie by Banner when he said he removed the power, but that was a lie as well. The main downside I've seen is if Rulk drains too much energy is that he can overheat and we both know that can weaken him, as it makes him dizzy and tired.

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#276  Edited By dum529001

@god_spawn:

He overheats when he gets too Angry.

Banner said he messed with Rulk's brain chemistry to remove the absorbsion ability because the continued use would kill him.

Later, as Banner, Ross, and Rick attempt to foil the Leader and Modok's "Scorched Earth" plan, Hulk tells Rulk that Banner lied about perfoming brain surgery and the absorbsion ability threatening to kill Rulk. After they win the battle, Ross asks why Banner lied and Banner says that Ross risks never being able to take human form again or never taking Hulk-form again if he continues to use his energy absorbsion ability and that he lied to get Ross to trust him or something.

I can try to find a scan of it. I think I'll find time later, since i'm a little busy right now.

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@dum529001: He can overheat from both, IIRC. It's just the angry and heating up is the more commonly used one.

Thanks for the clarification.

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@gokuwarrior: I'm not calling Hulk a light speeder, Neither Superman or WW can fight at light speed only Flash can. You don't need to be a light speeder to be able to fight WW and Superman just look at Doomsday

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: Actually, i believe Ms. Marvel isn't on Hulk's tier, not even in Red Hulk's tier.

Rulk is actually fighting Ms. Marvel, Ares, Sentry and Wonder Man and actually giving them a hard time. I think the Hulks and the Kryptonians are a few tiers above. But there's no doubt she's a high tier.

I'm not saying Ms. Marvel is on Hulk's tier she's just capable of holding her own against him that's all i'm saying. Well those scans showcase PIS and it's during Loebforce Rulk. Sentry and Wonder Man should've easily dispatched of Rulk alone plus it's non canon.

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@patrat18 said:

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: So where does it say that Superman is limited by the sun light he absorbs?

What are you talking about. Superman's strength isn't limitless plain and simple case closed I'm not saying Hulk beats Superman no not at all in fact the only thing Hulk has over Superman is strength that's it their relatively equal in terms of durability and stamina but everything else Superman has the edge in. Hulk>Power Girl.

Because you said so right? Great logic buddy keep it up, you have no proof for you're silly claims yet you choose to comment rubbish.

No because I'm sick of debating with you people @ghostravage explained it in the comment above I'm done debating this with you.

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@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: Doomsday is actually fast, in is first appearance he was surprising Superman with his speed and IIRC was struggling to keep up

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@theincrediblesuperhulk8642:and doomsday has tagged flash i guess doomsday fights at light speed,superman and WW have much better combat speed than hulk,hulk should never tag them.

ms marvel was never able to hold her own against hulk,only grey hulk,ms marvel has no feats equal to PG.

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#281  Edited By Moonman78

Yeah this is dumb hulk has tons and tons and tons of feats that PG just can't match, he has beat people faster than her and stronger, and busted teams. And I'm talking about savage hulk here any hulk better than him turns her into paste.

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@dondave: Yes but that's not a consistent part of the character that only happened in Death of Superman and either Doomsday Wars or SM DD Hunter Prey not sure which one after that he was the usual slow brick who tanked anything Superman threw at him even if he blitzed him and was able to tag him, Now Hulk has been shown capable of nearly blitzing some of his opponents and moving/attacking and destroying them before they can even move.

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@theincrediblesuperhulk8642:and doomsday has tagged flash i guess doomsday fights at light speed,superman and WW have much better combat speed than hulk,hulk should never tag them.

ms marvel was never able to hold her own against hulk,only grey hulk,ms marvel has no feats equal to PG.

Hulk has tagged Silver Surfer so what's you're point.

Yes she has, Holding you're own means being capable of fighting the opponent at least for a while and actually being capable of hurting them which she has shown capable of doing to Green Hulk. She could just turn into Binary and fight her which she does when she realizes she's facing a powerful opponent that she will need the extra boost to take care of.

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@moonman78:hulk tagging characters as fast as PG and above is pure bad writtin,where are the feats that prove ms marvel can beat PG,?why don't you try to prove your case with feats?.

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@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: Because you have no evidence or proof, get mad all you want you're word means nothing if you don't have something to back it up.

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#286  Edited By gokuwarrior

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642:my point is that hulk shouldn't tag characters like silver surfer,gladiator,sentrey,they have super speed and use super speed in combat often,specially sentry and they have nanosecond reaction time,hulk has no feats on his own to prove he can attack faster than they can react and deep inside you know it.

ms marvel has no feats of strength,speed and durability to put her near PG's level,and ms marvel can't turn binary at will she needs huge amount of energy,absorbing nukes and power plants were never enough for her to turn binary so her chance of getting enough energy to become binary is very short,so stop all this speculation about hulk speed and ms marvel power level.

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@patrat18 said:

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: Because you have no evidence or proof, get mad all you want you're word means nothing if you don't have something to back it up.

Hah like you have something to counteract the fact that you're stating Superman/s strength is limitless you're word also means nothing then if we're following ABC logic since you've shown nothing to prove that Superman's power is limitless. I'm not mad just tired.

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642:my point is that hulk shouldn't tag characters like silver surfer,gladiator,sentrey,they have super speed and use super speed in combat often,specially sentry and they have nanosecond reaction time,hulk has no feats on his own to prove he can attack faster than they can react and deep inside you know it.

ms marvel has no feats of strength,speed and durability to put her near PG's level,and ms marvel can't turn binary at will she needs huge amount of energy,absorbing nukes and power plants were never enough for her to turn binary so her chance of getting enough energy to become binary is very short,so stop all this speculation about hulk speed and ms marvel power level.

Did you not see the scans anyone has posted we've already shown Hulk can fight and hit at great speeds. Sentry barely ever used his speed same goes for Gladiator, SS combat speed isn't as fast as his travel speed (like Thor and Superman) Plus SS doesn't have great durability against blunt force Thanos nearly beat him to death and Hulk has plowed him to the ground on 2 occasions,

Uhmm Ms Marvel just turned into Binary relatively easily in the current Infinity event over here at Marvel so yeah.

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#289  Edited By gokuwarrior

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642:the scns you showedc from hulk don't prove that he can attack faast enough to tag these characters,moving in blurs i have seen wolverine and spider-man do that,so now they can blitz superman and wonder woman?,please.

ms marvel can't go binary without huge amount of energy and her current binary feats are nowhere near the feats from classic binary,and i don't care about binary because we aren't talking about her,you said ms marvel in her regular form is on PG's league but ms marvel has no feats near PG's level.

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Wolverine has blitzed Hulk

Kara got tis.

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@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: Prime 1 million is a great example.

Again that's not regular Superman first off it's non canon now due to the New 52 that doesn't show that his power is limitless that just shows if he bathes in the sun for thousands of years he becomes a sky father level being. Even when he sundips for 15 minutes he becomes massively more powerful but it doesn't last forever it only lasted a few minutes long enough for him to stop the threat of Imperiex.

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642:the scns you showedc from hulk don't prove that he can attack faast enough to tag these characters,moving in blurs i have seen wolverine and spider-man do that,so now they can blitz superman and wonder woman?,please.

ms marvel can't go binary without huge amount of energy and her current binary feats are nowhere near the feats from classic binary,and i don't care about binary because we aren't talking about her,you said ms marvel in her regular form is on PG's league but ms marvel has no feats near PG's level.

yes they prove that he can move faster than most characters can react and that he is capable of tagging speedsters and blitzing people (although he would not be able to blitz someone on the level of Superman) Spider-Man and Wolverine have never moved so fast they seemed to be a blur.

Binary is a stage that happens for Ms Marvel the same as over time Hulk can become WBHulk if Ms Marvel wanted to she could go absorb massive amounts of energy and become Binary she could also absorb PG Heat Vision to add to the that Ms Marvel is also smarter more experienced and a better fighter than PG so she has what it takes to hang with her although PG is faster stronger and more powerful it's not by a huge margin and Ms Marvel makes up for those in experience fighting skills and a strategic edge in battle.

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#292  Edited By gokuwarrior

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642:hulk's feats don't prove he can blitz people like superman and PG.

ms marvel needs hige energy to turn binary and she doesn't have acces to such huge amount of energy in 90% of her fights,what fightning skills?,the marvel blonde is a joke next to characters like batman,wonder woman,batwoman,those have true fighting skills,what skill feats does ms marvel have near them?,her skills aren't a factor here because she is still a mediocre fighter next to real martial artists like the characters i mentioned,tactics?,how many tactics has she used in battle?,all her fights are the same,the typical flying brick,throwing random punches and shoting energy beams,no skills or tactics behind the way she fights.

and yes PG is more powerful than ms marvel by a big marging,and i can post strength,speed and dirability feats to prove it.

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#293  Edited By patrat18

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: After he benched the earth for 5 days with no sunlight he asked the doctor is that all she had, he broke one sweat he does not have a limit ans nowhere in the comic does it say he does. The more sunlight he gets the stronger he gets what are you not understanding about that?

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@theincrediblesuperhulk8642: After he benched the earth for 5 days with no sunlight he asked the doctor is that all she had, he broke one sweat he does not have a limit ans nowhere in the comic does it say he does. The more sunlight he gets the stronger he gets what are you not understanding about that?

The more sunlight he gets means the more stamina he has and the longer he can go on when he expends to much of his solar energy he starts to tire and sometimes goes into a coma just like what happened in his battle with Doomsday the sun doesn't give him unlimited strength again Ghostravage explained this perfectly above.

@theincrediblesuperhulk8642:hulk's feats don't prove he can blitz people like superman and PG.

ms marvel needs hige energy to turn binary and she doesn't have acces to such huge amount of energy in 90% of her fights,what fightning skills?,the marvel blonde is a joke next to characters like batman,wonder woman,batwoman,those have true fighting skills,what skill feats does ms marvel have near them?,her skills aren't a factor here because she is still a mediocre fighter next to real martial artists like the characters i mentioned,tactics?,how many tactics has she used in battle?,all her fights are the same,the typical flying brick,throwing random punches and shoting energy beams,no skills or tactics behind the way she fights.

and yes PG is more powerful than ms marvel by a big marging,and i can post strength,speed and dirability feats to prove it.

That's why I said he can't blitz Superman level characters but he could blitz most of the lower tier heavy hitters and it means he can at least keep up with and tag Superman.

She could just go to a nuclear power plant and absorb that energy.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH oh man you mad me laugh that's a great joke it was a joke right. Ms Marvel is a military trained fighter she's essentially a female version of Captain America but with super powers she has a strategic mind and it's not like Power Girl doesn't act like a stupid brick oh wait that's exactly what she does.

Not by as big a margin as you think this more towards the way Silver Surfer is a good margin more powerful than Superman but it's not that big of a Margin not as big as Superman's power levels and how they pale in comparison to someone like Galactus power levels.

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@theincrediblesuperhulk8642:the best joke of the week,"ms marvel is in captain america's level in terms of in fighting skills",LOL,please get serious,what feats does ms marvel have to put her on captain america level,hal jordan has military training too i guess he is as skillful as captain america.

ms marvel never shows fighting skills in her fights,throwing random punches and kicks to defeat cannon fodder or bricks that have no skills at all,that doesn't make you a great fighter,fact,she never uses tactics in her fights,she goes and punch and shot energy,fact,and leaving a fight to search for a power plant almost never happens.

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#296  Edited By NICK31898

@nick31898:she is too fast for him,she can fly,has range attacks.

You underestimate Hulk's speed. Hulk has been able to keep up with people, "faster than him", with his fast, and powerful leaps. He just needs to get one hand on her, and he won't let go. What ever range attacks she has, will only make him more mad. Flying, doesn't matter, many heroes can fly, doesn't make them more, or less powerful, if you can or can not fly. Also, Hulk has a range attack. His thunderclaps. It has had a force, just as powerful as a nuclear bomb. If that hit's her, she isn't getting up easily.

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@gokuwarrior said:

@nick31898:she is too fast for him,she can fly,has range attacks.

You underestimate Hulk's speed. Hulk has been able to keep up with people, "faster than him", with his fast, and powerful leaps. He just needs to get one hand on her, and he won't let go. What ever range attacks she has, will only make him more mad. Flying, doesn't matter, many heroes can fly, doesn't make them more, or less powerful, if you can or can not fly. Also, Hulk has a range attack. His thunderclaps. It has had a force, just as powerful as a nuclear bomb. If that hit's her, she isn't getting up easily.

you are overstimating his speed,he has no feats to prove he can attack faster than these characters can react,usually they downplay their speed when they fight hulk.

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@nick31898 said:

@gokuwarrior said:

@nick31898:she is too fast for him,she can fly,has range attacks.

You underestimate Hulk's speed. Hulk has been able to keep up with people, "faster than him", with his fast, and powerful leaps. He just needs to get one hand on her, and he won't let go. What ever range attacks she has, will only make him more mad. Flying, doesn't matter, many heroes can fly, doesn't make them more, or less powerful, if you can or can not fly. Also, Hulk has a range attack. His thunderclaps. It has had a force, just as powerful as a nuclear bomb. If that hit's her, she isn't getting up easily.

you are overstimating his speed,he has no feats to prove he can attack faster than these characters can react,usually they downplay their speed when they fight hulk.

I didn't say he could attack faster than them, but he can get a lot stronger than power girl. If, and when he get's a hand on her, it's over for her.

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@logy5000 said:

This is like Wonder Woman vs Hulk.

PG wins.

Are you saying that WW would beat Hulk? Bahaha, now that's funny.