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#1 Edited by XImpossibruX (5723 posts) - - Show Bio

Just picked up the issue in AvX where Emma lays the smackdown on Thor (She's a dirty fighter). So who would win if she tangled with Silver Surfer?

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#2 Posted by Roddy010 (6246 posts) - - Show Bio

I believe so...Emma showed great durability in taking hits from Thor and resurrecting into shards sharp enough to piece through his skin like butter...Also there is the little fact that Phoenix Force>Power Cosmic....So I say she may take it...

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#3 Posted by TERMINATORXX (3912 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma might have a chance here... be interesting fight though.

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#4 Posted by XImpossibruX (5723 posts) - - Show Bio

@TERMINATORXX said:

Emma might have a chance here... be interesting fight though.

Yea, I really want too see Galactus' heralds tangle with the Phoenix Five

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#5 Posted by Sparky_BW (205 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX said:

Yea, I really want too see Galactus' heralds tangle with the Phoenix Five

That would be a great battle! I hope they do that.

I think Emma could pull this one off in a good fight.

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#6 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12450 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma.

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#7 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7186 posts) - - Show Bio

The real phoenix can mess with Galactus. PF> power cosmic. Emma has 1/5th of the Phoenix. Silver Surfer might have 1/100th of the Power cosmic.

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#8 Posted by God_Spawn (40374 posts) - - Show Bio

@Thor's hammmer: Technically, Emma has half the PF now.

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#9 Posted by XImpossibruX (5723 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@Thor's hammmer: Technically, Emma has half the PF now.

How come?

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#10 Posted by God_Spawn (40374 posts) - - Show Bio

@XImpossibruX: Every time one of the phoenix 5 fell their portions of the force went to the remaining avys. Namor lost to Scarlet Witch, he lost his portion and it split to Cyclops, Emma, Magik and Colossus. Colossus and Magik WTFKO'd each other and they lost their portions. So since Emma and Scott are the last 2 left, they get half each.

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#11 Posted by jeanroygrant (20442 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Emma.

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#12 Posted by Thor's hammmer (7186 posts) - - Show Bio

@god_spawn said:

@XImpossibruX: Every time one of the phoenix 5 fell their portions of the force went to the remaining avys. Namor lost to Scarlet Witch, he lost his portion and it split to Cyclops, Emma, Magik and Colossus. Colossus and Magik WTFKO'd each other and they lost their portions. So since Emma and Scott are the last 2 left, they get half each.

I really hoped we were just using the version with just a 5th for the battle for Norrin's sake.

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#13 Posted by BringnIt (3875 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll take Norrin.

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#14 Posted by Lord_Moldemvort (145 posts) - - Show Bio

surfer would murder her

he simply drains the force from her so she cant reform then rips her in half or something. its almost spite

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#15 Posted by PokemonDefender (293 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lord_Moldemvort said:

surfer would murder her

he simply drains the force from her so she cant reform then rips her in half or something. its almost spite

Yea drains the phoenix.... seems legit.

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#16 Posted by Lord_Moldemvort (145 posts) - - Show Bio

@PokemonDefender: except shes not the phoenix and only possess 1/5 of it. surfer can easily drain that then create a black hole in her face

this is a mismatch

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#17 Edited by PokemonDefender (293 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lord_Moldemvort said:

@PokemonDefender: except shes not the phoenix and only possess 1/5 of it. surfer can easily drain that then create a black hole in her face

this is a mismatch

You're not convincing anyone.

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#18 Posted by Lord_Moldemvort (145 posts) - - Show Bio

@PokemonDefender: because your ignorant towards logic?

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#19 Posted by MasterM0r0n (342 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lord_Moldemvort said:

@PokemonDefender: because your ignorant towards logic?

Calm down brotha'

All he's trying to say is, Power Cosmic isn't powerful enough to defeat Phoenix Force.

I also believe him too.

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#20 Posted by IZZR (4889 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lord_Moldemvort said:

@PokemonDefender: because your ignorant towards logic?

No i have to agree with the other guy people always think SS can take a win so they say he creates a black hole and its game over, plenty of people can escape black holes.
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#21 Posted by MasterM0r0n (342 posts) - - Show Bio

@IZZR said:

@Lord_Moldemvort said:

@PokemonDefender: because your ignorant towards logic?

No i have to agree with the other guy people always think SS can take a win so they say he creates a black hole and its game over, plenty of people can escape black holes.

True.

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#22 Posted by PokemonDefender (293 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lord_Moldemvort said:

@PokemonDefender: because your ignorant towards logic?

Ha, if you think cosmic power can trump the Phoenix force then you should probably go read a comic.

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#23 Posted by Lord_Moldemvort (145 posts) - - Show Bio

@IZZR: except shes not one of those people and he has about, what? a million other things he could do to her?

emma has no feats to prove shes even worthy of being in surfers presence and her TP is useless here.

she dies horribly

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#24 Posted by Lord_Moldemvort (145 posts) - - Show Bio

@MasterM0r0n: i wouldnt say that. proteus has proved to defeat the force, the xmen have, rogue has, an EMP has, hell an iron man bot handled her.

and she only has 1/5 of it. surfer is going to drain that then kill her instantly

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#25 Posted by IZZR (4889 posts) - - Show Bio
@Lord_Moldemvort said:

@IZZR: except shes not one of those people and he has about, what? a million other things he could do to her?

emma has no feats to prove shes even worthy of being in surfers presence and her TP is useless here.

she dies horribly

I see youre new, the thing is that argument is quite cheap, even 1/5th of the Phoenix Force is more than enough to withstand a black hole especially if the likes of Loki can. To simply think you can say he creates a black hole in her face and shes dead is just cheap.
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#26 Posted by Lord_Moldemvort (145 posts) - - Show Bio

@IZZR: new? ive been in comics for months

prove she can withstand that. and surfer has about a million other things. first he drains her, then from there he can basically do anything he wants. one blast should do the trick

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#27 Posted by PokemonDefender (293 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lord_Moldemvort said:

@IZZR: new? ive been in comics for months

prove she can withstand that. and surfer has about a million other things. first he drains her, then from there he can basically do anything he wants. one blast should do the trick

Yes that is why Galactus who had mass cosmic power had trouble with the full Phoenix.

And Surfer doesn't even have a percent of Galactus power, but Emma has a 1/5 of the Phoenix, Surfer dies horribly.

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#28 Posted by Lord_Moldemvort (145 posts) - - Show Bio

@PokemonDefender: except she ISNT the phoenix force and only possess a 1/5 of it, while the force itself was handled by an EMP

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#29 Posted by Lord_Moldemvort (145 posts) - - Show Bio

@PokemonDefender: oh you mean the time he was starving and didnt even want to fight? how impressive

that explains why he was erasing her from existence another time

so like i said, he drains her then kills her. simple as that

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#30 Edited by Dextersinister (8561 posts) - - Show Bio

@Thor's hammmer said:

The real phoenix can mess with Galactus. PF> power cosmic. Emma has 1/5th of the Phoenix. Silver Surfer might have 1/100th of the Power cosmic.

Simple maths really Surfer doesn't stand a chance, if he did they wouldn't have been very good event villains.

This fraction of the phoenix thing is a retcon, use to be a fraction was just as powerful as the full thing because it was a fraction of infinity. Guess they had to change it so they could tell a shit story.

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#31 Posted by PokemonDefender (293 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lord_Moldemvort said:

@PokemonDefender: except she ISNT the phoenix force and only possess a 1/5 of it, while the force itself was handled by an EMP

Stop low-balling characters, that is an inaccurate way of debating. You want to low-ball? I'll show you lowballing.

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#32 Posted by IZZR (4889 posts) - - Show Bio
@PokemonDefender said:

@Lord_Moldemvort said:

@PokemonDefender: except she ISNT the phoenix force and only possess a 1/5 of it, while the force itself was handled by an EMP

Stop low-balling characters, that is an inaccurate way of debating. You want to low-ball? I'll show you lowballing.

LMAO!..
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#33 Posted by Lord_Moldemvort (145 posts) - - Show Bio

@PokemonDefender: 1. i wasnt low balling her. she DOES have consistent showings against weaker characters and nothing but crap in a text bubble to support that its possibly PIS

2. that was a noob version of surfer, but getting beat by a guy on par with the living tribunal ( loebforce rulk ) isnt a low feat

3. thor is a pretty damn powerful character. having a couple losses against him isnt much of a low feat either, especially when hes bloodlusted

4. surfer allowed him to do that, poor writing either way

the difference is surfer has tons of feats to prove himself. all phoenix has is hype

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#34 Posted by chiq (2867 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma. Surfer had trouble with Thor and Worthy Attuma. All the p5 have stomped on Thor. Namor took on Thor w/ Rulk, Strange and the Avengers for back up .

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#35 Posted by Lord_Moldemvort (145 posts) - - Show Bio

@chiq: that comic isnt a good source for anything. the writing was atrocious and thor was turned into a measuring stick for plot purposes

surfer could easily drain her then kill her. if you think about it, its a mismatch

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#36 Posted by whydama (1126 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma said that she did not want Red Hulk in Utopia because he beat SS with his own board. Shows how much of a threat they think SS is.

@Lord_Moldemvort said:

@PokemonDefender: 1. i wasnt low balling her. she DOES have consistent showings against weaker characters and nothing but crap in a text bubble to support that its possibly PIS

2. that was a noob version of surfer, but getting beat by a guy on par with the living tribunal ( loebforce rulk ) isnt a low feat

3. thor is a pretty damn powerful character. having a couple losses against him isnt much of a low feat either, especially when hes bloodlusted

4. surfer allowed him to do that, poor writing either way

the difference is surfer has tons of feats to prove himself. all phoenix has is hype

lol'ed at 2

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#37 Posted by Lord_Moldemvort (145 posts) - - Show Bio

@whydama: its the truth. funny how that person tried to "low ball" surfer by using red hulk. if that idiot loeb wasnt on the brink of losing his job, he would have made him beat galactus

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#38 Posted by chiq (2867 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lord_Moldemvort said:

@chiq: that comic isnt a good source for anything. the writing was atrocious and thor was turned into a measuring stick for plot purposes

surfer could easily drain her then kill her. if you think about it, its a mismatch

So all the feats of the p5 are null and void due to bad writing?

The P5 have been clearly written to be above herald level since they have stomped on Gladiator,Thor, Rulk with ease. Namor tore Rulk's arm of with a flick of his wrist. Scott has block Thor's Hammer blows with a pinky and Namor no sold a blow to the back of a head from Thor. If you want to discount all the feats of the p5 due to the bad writing of avx, what feats would they actually have? They have only appeared in that event.

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#39 Posted by Lord_Moldemvort (145 posts) - - Show Bio

@chiq: no, its because they completely ignored what thor is capable of doing and the fact that the actual force itself has proved nothing to guarantee people that possess a fraction of it to do what they did. for example, why didnt thor just drain the force from them? why didnt he use his god blast? his planet busting blows and magic attacks? soul steal? and hes also KOed the phoenix force twice in one hit. this crappy comic was just a way to trash thor and make the xmen look good. disregarding maybe 2 fairly decent fights, everything else was horribly written.

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#40 Edited by chiq (2867 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lord_Moldemvort: People seem to be forgetting the the P5 themselves have been holding back since they are trying to control the PF. Necrom with a sliver of the PF was tossing moons and planets, turning a planet into a sun, destroying solar systems when he battled Rachel. Colossus said he could just destroy the planet and the Avengers with ease if he really wanted to.

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#41 Posted by Lord_Moldemvort (145 posts) - - Show Bio

@chiq: do you have any scans of that?

it can also be said that thor, besides being written bad, was also holding back a lot in that arc. hes destroyed planets with mjolnir before and has also re-direct the phoenixs own power against her and KOed her with it. im not convinced hes going to be humiliated like that against opponents with 1/5 of it when hes fared better against the force itself

but enough about thor. why do you think emma wins this? against a guy like surfer her telepathy is useless, and i dont know what else she has. surfer can drain the force from her, then 1 shot her. i see this being incredibly one sided

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#42 Posted by Simon_the_digger (5040 posts) - - Show Bio

Emma

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#43 Posted by Jayfournines (4160 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd give it to P5 Emma, Surfer tends to hold back most of the time...also, Surfer draining away the Phoenix force is a no no. Thor also has the ability to drain energy and it didn't fly so...why would it fly with the surfer?

Emma wins, she's a stone cold b!tch

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#44 Posted by termiteone4ever (10480 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL interesting :) i like reading some of these threads always fun :) . .. Now i would like to see and know how surfer going to drain PF lol and make a black hole to destroy it lol thats funny lol

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#45 Posted by Mr_Ingenuity (11183 posts) - - Show Bio

@BringnIt said:

I'll take Norrin.
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#46 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2845 posts) - - Show Bio

SS

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#47 Posted by Sufferthorn (1780 posts) - - Show Bio

@IZZR said:

@PokemonDefender said:

@Lord_Moldemvort said:

@PokemonDefender: except she ISNT the phoenix force and only possess a 1/5 of it, while the force itself was handled by an EMP

Stop low-balling characters, that is an inaccurate way of debating. You want to low-ball? I'll show you lowballing.

LMAO!..

Don't you think the Black Panther strip might be a SLIGHT case of PIS?

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#48 Posted by Lord_Moldemvort (145 posts) - - Show Bio

@Jayfournines: i dont recall thor ever trying to drain her, so why wouldnt that possibly work?

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#49 Posted by DocFatalis (1451 posts) - - Show Bio

I still boycott AvX. This series sucks and is doing more harm to the MU than anything else.

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#50 Posted by Jayfournines (4160 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lord_Moldemvort said:

@Jayfournines: i dont recall thor ever trying to drain her, so why wouldnt that possibly work?

well, if I had an insta-weapon that could easily help me defeat my enemies...why wouldn't I use it? The only logical conclusions are

a) It wouldn't have worked against the Phoenix

or

b) Thor is a dumbass