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#1 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15463 posts) - - Show Bio

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#2 Posted by pooty (16236 posts) - - Show Bio

great post because i'm confused. Nova prime has ALL the powers of the entire corp.  That has to be ALOT OF POWER. Yet he got his butt beat by Silver Surfer badly. Gladiator has hung with Silver Surfer a couple times. Yet Nova beat annilius who is a universe conquerer. So i think Nova SHOULD be one of the baddest dudes in marvel but his showings suck. Thanks for letting me rant

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#3 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15463 posts) - - Show Bio
@pooty said:
"great post because i'm confused. Nova prime has ALL the powers of the entire corp.  That has to be ALOT OF POWER. Yet he got his butt beat by Silver Surfer badly. Gladiator has hung with Silver Surfer a couple times. Yet Nova beat annilius who is a universe conquerer. So i think Nova SHOULD be one of the baddest dudes in marvel but his showings suck. Thanks for letting me rant "

Dude it's like you readd my mind
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#4 Posted by czarny_samael666 (17185 posts) - - Show Bio

If Worldmind will hold back Nova - Gladiator.
If he won't be hold back by WM - Nova.

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#5 Posted by Alpha (8097 posts) - - Show Bio

Good battle. Gladiator would win though. But not easily.

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#6 Posted by AtPhantom (14434 posts) - - Show Bio

Nova already beat Gladiator's cousin, so I think he could beat Gladiator himself with a little help.

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#7 Posted by dane (10744 posts) - - Show Bio

Gladiator.

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#8 Posted by the creator (8561 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty
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"great post because i'm confused. Nova prime has ALL the powers of the entire corp.  That has to be ALOT OF POWER. Yet he got his butt beat by Silver Surfer badly. Gladiator has hung with Silver Surfer a couple times. Yet Nova beat annilius who is a universe conquerer. So i think Nova SHOULD be one of the baddest dudes in marvel but his showings suck. Thanks for letting me rant "

The entirity of the Nova power was not permitted to be used by Nova. It's flow was regulated by the Worldmind. 
If Nova has been allowed to access the full power, it is entirely likely that he would have gone insane just like Supernova did, a character who did have access to the entire Noav corps power (except that of basic centurion Richard Riders small share). 
Supernova was more than a match for the entire FF and Avengers teams and could destroy a planet like Earth through a 'supernoave' explosion of power. 
 
  @AtPhantom said:
"Nova already beat Gladiator's cousin, so I think he could beat Gladiator himself with a little help. "

We didn't really get to see Strontian (or whatever her name is) use some of the powers more effectively  that we know she possesses, like blinding super speed. 
Gladiator I would hope would put up a better showing.
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#10 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15463 posts) - - Show Bio

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#11 Posted by jeanroygrant (20442 posts) - - Show Bio

Nova Prime.

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#12 Posted by tootyghost (156 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Nova Prime would win.

I recently looked them both up, and saw their Marvel Universe figures (even though Nova's isn't out yet) and they have really cool costumes!

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#14 Posted by HellionVulcan (5290 posts) - - Show Bio

I still think Nova prime can't really hurt Gladiator since the fight with Glad's cousin is a weak comparison to the real deal .

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#16 Posted by solon (421 posts) - - Show Bio

Good battle. Could go either way

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#17 Edited by Cream_God (15522 posts) - - Show Bio

This has been a very respectful debate so far, im going nova right mow

Edit: wait how confidant is Gladiator?

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#18 Posted by dondave (41477 posts) - - Show Bio

I still don't see Richard beating Kallark. As has already been mentioned he had trouble with Glads cousin and she doesn't have feats on his level, I guess he could try that psionic helmet trick but them Glads isn't an idiot and I don't see him letting Rich headbutt him.

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#19 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7058 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: Well in Rider's defense he did have less of the Nova Force avaliable in that fight than he did in Annihilation or when most of his big feats occured. I think he could take this but it'd be a hard fight for him.

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#20 Posted by dondave (41477 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: Well in Rider's defense he did have less of the Nova Force avaliable in that fight than he did in Annihilation or when most of his big feats occured. I think he could take this but it'd be a hard fight for him.

Granted he did, but even before then he didn't have any major strength feats, for example, when he met Silver Surfer, Norrin overpowered him and flew him into some planet while holding back

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#21 Edited by Sovereign91001 (7058 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: Yeah that did happened but I think that has more to do with Rider's fighting style, he's not a brawler, he flies into and through stuff as opposed to lifting and slugging. To his credit he did stagger surfer and when he punched Annihulus after Quasar died he did hurt him with his fist.

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#22 Posted by dondave (41477 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: Yeah that did happened but I think that has more to do with Rider's fighting style, he's not a brawler, he flies into and through stuff as opposed to lifting and slugging. To his credit he did stagger surfer and when he punched Annihulus after Quasar died he did hurt him with his fist.

All he did was knock Surfer off his board, Daredevil did the same thing a few weeks ago and for hurting Annihilus when it came to actually fighting him, Nova was losing until Phylla took the Quantam Bands from Annhilus

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#23 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7058 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: lol DD knocked Surfer off his board? Out of curiosity how many out of 10 do you give Glads?

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#24 Posted by dondave (41477 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: lol DD knocked Surfer off his board? Out of curiosity how many out of 10 do you give Glads?

Yeah, I guess Waid loves Daredevil

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Ehh, it's not implausible for Richard to beat Glads, like I've already said, he could try the psionic burst that he used on Xenith. Overall, I'd see Kallark taking a 6/10 majority.

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#25 Posted by Sovereign91001 (7058 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: lol want to take bets someone will try to use that as a legit feat for DD? Well I think if he tapped into the Nova Force like he did against Sphinx and or went for a BFR win via Stargate he could take a majority but not a stomp. But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree and all that.

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#26 Posted by WaveMotionCannon (7598 posts) - - Show Bio

Gladiator wins this, not easily but he'll win.

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#27 Posted by bflynn316 (2090 posts) - - Show Bio

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#28 Posted by tparks (9346 posts) - - Show Bio

Rich wins this.

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#29 Posted by comic_bruh777 (1455 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty: I agree. I have always thought that how badass a character is and their showings come down to who is writing them. Who would win? Depends on the writer. But in my opinion Nova Prime should beat Gladiator 7/10 times at least

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#30 Posted by serrure (5895 posts) - - Show Bio

gladiator should win

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#31 Posted by Bhutai (100 posts) - - Show Bio

gladiator

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#32 Posted by Greendevil (2502 posts) - - Show Bio

If Worldmind will hold back Nova - Gladiator.

If he won't be hold back by WM - Nova.

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#33 Edited by tparks (9346 posts) - - Show Bio

@greendevil said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

If Worldmind will hold back Nova - Gladiator.

If he won't be hold back by WM - Nova.

Why would Worldmind hold back Nova? That never happened in the series. Worldmind would instantly calculate shield power and weapon power for Nova so he could unleash without having to think about things like this. Worldmind never held him back, WM actually let Nova reach closer to his potential.

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#34 Posted by Pwok21 (2464 posts) - - Show Bio
@tparks said:

@greendevil said:

@czarny_samael666 said:

If Worldmind will hold back Nova - Gladiator.

If he won't be hold back by WM - Nova.

Why would Worldmind hold back Nova? That never happened in the series. Worldmind would instantly calculate shield power and weapon power for Nova so he could unleash without having to think about things like this. Worldmind never held him back, WM actually let Nova reach closer to his potential.

Worldmind prevents Richie from accessing the full power of the Nova Force, as it turned Garthan Saal insane from full exposure.

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#35 Posted by tparks (9346 posts) - - Show Bio

@pwok21: That was pretty much done after a few issues. They never really touched on it again. Besides, there aren't really any feats to say what Nova would do with more power.

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#36 Posted by RealityWarper (12333 posts) - - Show Bio

Nova Prime.
he is really impressive since his last power-up.

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#37 Edited by nova_prime76 (164 posts) - - Show Bio

Richard Rider. He's smarter first of all, especially with worldmind. His power output is near herald level. And Surfer never beat him badly. Nova actually stalemated him. The full power of the nova corps is too much for gladiator.