Nightwing runs the gauntlet

@Stronger said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@Stronger said:

@Doombert said:

"She casually gets stomped by Bullseye,Gorgon etc.She hasn't even prove she beat Black Widow." Gorgon would just shit all over Nightwing. Not even a solid turd either. Like diahrea poop to the face. That's a guy that could arguably beat IF with his chi.

I never doubted that.I just wanted to show that Elektra doesn't win most of her fights.

@Pokeysteve: Taskmaster got thrashed by Deadpool.Your point is?????

@SUNMAN: Bullseye was toying with her in that fight.

....that Nightwing loses. I thought that was pretty obvious.

Deadpool got stomped by the Cat,who is actually featless.

Nightwing would beat Elektra easily.

Nightwing would beat Taskmaster after some fight.

Being beaten by a featless character means nothing. Everyone was featless at some point. Forget Deadpool. He relies mostly on his healing factor and beat Task by being random. Elektra beat him by fighting faster. He couldn't keep up with her. So with that, how do you figure Nightwing beats her easily but has trouble with him? It makes no sense. They also have standard gear which is at minimum two sai (though I think she keeps four on her) and a sword. She's probably more accurate with that sword than he is with any of his weapons. And if Bullseye was toying with her than he must be one hell of a masochist.

I can't say whether or not he beats Tasky. He's always a wild card character and different fighters respond differently to him.

@Pokeysteve: You think just blitzing Taskmaster can really compare to Dick agility????

Even Superman remarked Nightwing's speed.This guy has danced around superhumans.taskmaster is at best peak human.

Bullseye overpowered and poisoned her in that issue and instead of killing her,he started jobbing like he was Killer Croc.Then Elektra took the chance and stabbed him with an arrow on the back.But why did we brought up Bullseye anyway??He is not even in the top 20 of the best Marvel martial artists.

Even by stats

Nightwing is much stronger.

Nightwing is faster.

Nightwing is much more durable.

Nightwing is much smarter.

Nightwing is much more skilled.

The way I see it,Dick slaps her to death.

The only chance she has is,if she had her powers,which is entirely another case.She could beat him that way.Not easy though.

But since this is no powers(I assume),Nightwing stomps her @ss to the ground.

If you want I can provide you with enough feats.

I think nightwing could probs beat DD because he would use sonics in the fight. Dick would get scared from the fight and start popping gadgets on Matt, eventually coming across his sonic that he used.

@boschePG nightwing got a speed/agility boost. in the first comic of the new 52 he flipped into a speeding train and crashed through the window, and defeated bad guys in like 5 seconds. He also went up against talons and almost matched their pace (they are superhuman, with advanced stats)

@Stronger said:

@Pokeysteve: You think just blitzing Taskmaster can really compare to Dick agility????

Even Superman remarked Nightwing's speed.This guy has danced around superhumans.taskmaster is at best peak human.

Bullseye overpowered and poisoned her in that issue and instead of killing her,he started jobbing like he was Killer Croc.Then Elektra took the chance and stabbed him with an arrow on the back.But why did we brought up Bullseye anyway??He is not even in the top 20 of the best Marvel martial artists.

Even by stats

Nightwing is much stronger.

Nightwing is faster.

Nightwing is much more durable.

Nightwing is much smarter.

Nightwing is much more skilled.

The way I see it,Dick slaps her to death.

The only chance she has is,if she had her powers,which is entirely another case.She could beat him that way.Not easy though.

But since this is no powers(I assume),Nightwing stomps her @ss to the ground.

If you want I can provide you with enough feats.

She didn't blitz him. A blitz is a surprise speed attack. She just outfought him.

That isn't the Bullseye fight I was talking about. Bullseye regularly gives Daredevil a decent fight. He should be in the top 20 - 25.

All of the lines I bolded and underlined up there are pure assumption. I'll give you strength and probably smarts. Speed, durability and skill is highly debatable. With your "Dick slaps her to death" comment though, I'd image any sort of discussion with you would be pointless.

And with her powers, she destroys him. That isn't even a fight.

@Pokeysteve: Why don't you admit that you do not have any feats comparible to Nightwing's...........

If you have,then what are you waiting for?

Im not sure he's even getting passed punisher,,but I highly doubt he's beating Elektra ,,,even if he does this gauntlet ends there,,Nightwing will never beat daredevil

reasons?

@Doombert said:

"She casually gets stomped by Bullseye,Gorgon etc.She hasn't even prove she beat Black Widow." Gorgon would just sh!t all over Nightwing. Not even a solid turd either. Like diahrea poop to the face. That's a guy that could arguably beat IF with his chi.

Haha.

@Stronger said:

@Pokeysteve: Why don't you admit that you do not have any feats comparible to Nightwing's...........

If you have,then what are you waiting for?

Because you said Nightwing slaps her to death. That's the kind of attitude that no matter what I post it isn't going to matter. There is absolutely nothing or no amount of of things I could post here that will make you be like "oh yeah she wins." so why waste my time.

That's for durability, speed and smarts. Fighting feats are impossible to compare. It's two different universes.

@theDCkid said:

Nightwing beats punisher with moderate effort. He could beat iron fist if he gave it everything he has. By now he's too tired to stand a chance against elektra, even a rested nightwing would have trouble with her.Stops at three.

He is not beating Iron Fist unless he gets lucky with a gas bomb or something. The guy dropped a SHIELD helicarrier with one punch.

@robertloucksjr: are you saying he drops in round 6?

He can probably take Frank, has a really good shot against Elektra...but after that he loses every round.

stops at daredevil

Okay what separates DD from nightwing? what makes DD better?

@Nightwing_1234 said:

Okay what separates DD from nightwing? what makes DD better?

Experience, Feats, actual super-powers.

Probably stops at elektra, she is terribly underrated

@Shawnbaby: examples? sorry i dont know a ton about DD and im just curious

@Nightwing_1234 said:

@Shawnbaby: examples? sorry i dont know a ton about DD and im just curious

I don't really have any scans ready...but you can go here and check some of his feats out

@robertloucksjr: Well he clearly had his chi in that picture and I was assuming the fight would be without... It's been a while since I posted here, I think the characters have been switched around a little.

He might beat Frank, but he loses to everyone else.

@Pokeysteve said:

@Stronger said:

@Pokeysteve: Why don't you admit that you do not have any feats comparible to Nightwing's...........

If you have,then what are you waiting for?

Because you said Nightwing slaps her to death. That's the kind of attitude that no matter what I post it isn't going to matter. There is absolutely nothing or no amount of of things I could post here that will make you be like "oh yeah she wins." so why waste my time.

That's for durability, speed and smarts. Fighting feats are impossible to compare. It's two different universes.

A real debater tries to change the mind of others with arguements....

Can any of you guys who voted for Elektra give some actual Elektra feats??

 probably stops at 3 or 4 

@Stronger: A real debater is open to having their mind changed....

@Pokeysteve said:

@Stronger: A real debater is open to having their mind changed....

Go on then.....

Change it.

@Stronger: What exactly do you want to see? I can go through my stuff a bit later and see if I can find some good feats.

@Pokeysteve said:

@Stronger: What exactly do you want to see? I can go through my stuff a bit later and see if I can find some good feats.

I want to see feats of Elektra matching Nightwing in skill,strength,speed,durability,brains and skills.

And I also want to see Elektra 's greatest battle wins.

If you 'd like I could make a thread just for you and me.

@Stronger: I've given you strength and most likely brains. I'll try and find some skill, speed and durability feats. I've only read her 1st volume though. You don't need a separate thread. She's in this one after all and a lot of people thinks she beats him.

@Pokeysteve said:

@Stronger: I've given you strength and most likely brains. I'll try and find some skill, speed and durability feats. I've only read her 1st volume though. You don't need a separate thread. She's in this one after all and a lot of people thinks she beats him.

Where are they?

Stops at 3.

Nightwing's gear gives him an advantage that he wouldn't have if it was just pure skill. Just pure skill, he beats Frank and has a chance against Elektra, but I think she'd take a majority. Since he has his gear in this thread, which includes an armored costume, gas capsules, and other utility-belt-like stuff, I think he might win over her in this situation however. On the other hand if she has her powers, then I'll give her the win. He doesn't get any farther than her, no matter what.

Elektra is pretty fast and hugely skilled. I've posted this stuff before, which all comes from her respect thread on Killer Movies.

Elektra and Wolverine:

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Elektra vs a bunch of super-powered Skrulls:

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Elektra is so skilled she can cut a guy's limbs off, but keep him standing there until he gets touched! And then she steals the Punisher's gun right out of his hands without him even realizing it until she points it out!

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Elektra, able to stick a sai into Red She Hulk. This is focused martial arts skill, like a tornado sticking a straw into a tree.

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Elektra, fighting another skilled martial artist, cuts the headband off her head, while in a mid-air flip, without cutting her forehead. Skills.

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This doesn't count all the times she's done very well against Daredevil. She's practically made a career out of knocking him in the back of the head with a sai despite his radar sense.

@Pokeysteve: Do you have any scans of the Taskmaster fight? I've only seen selected pages of that.

@Owie: This is the first fight, where Taskmaster mimics Daredevil. Elektra is surprised by the tactic and that costs her the fight.

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Taskmaster tries the same tactic in the rematch, but loses because Elektra was expecting it this time around.

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Both fights are from Elektra v1 #7.

@Owie: This is the first fight, where Taskmaster mimics Daredevil. Elektra is surprised by the tactic and that costs her the fight.

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Taskmaster tries the same tactic in the rematch, but loses because Elektra was expecting it this time around.

Gallery

Both fights are from Elektra v1 #7.

@Owie said:

@CitizenBane said:

@Owie: This is the first fight, where Taskmaster mimics Daredevil. Elektra is surprised by the tactic and that costs her the fight.

Gallery

Taskmaster tries the same tactic in the rematch, but loses because Elektra was expecting it this time around.

Gallery

Both fights are from Elektra v1 #7.

Much appreciated. I'd seen one page from both of those and didn't understand how they connected. So if they're from the same issue, did some time pass between them, or just a little while?

The second fight takes place about 12 hours after the first one, I think.

@Stronger said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@Stronger: I've given you strength and most likely brains. I'll try and find some skill, speed and durability feats. I've only read her 1st volume though. You don't need a separate thread. She's in this one after all and a lot of people thinks she beats him.

Where are they?

Owie posted a bunch. That should tide you over, impatient Polly.

@Pokeysteve: Elektra handling Wolverine is complete PIS and nothing more.

I didn't see any smarts posted by Elektra.

Here is Dick outasmarting Mr.Freeze.

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He also defeated Clayface and Blockbuster on his own.Both are superhumans.

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He has also tanked hits from Gorilla Grodd.An at least 30 tons duder.....

Do I really need to post agility and speed feats to prove he would dance all day and night around Elektra?

He also beat Tarantula,Shrike and Firefly relatively easy.

Elektra stabbing Red-She Hulk from behind is nothing.Everyone could.Wolverine has stabbed Hulk a lot of times in the back.

Slicing a headband of a featless martial artist?Really ?You call that skill?

What about this?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/Ixion83/Nightwing1i.jpg

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Or this?

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If you need anything more,just ask....

Well,I might be a little:P

@Stronger: Elektra handling Wolverine is PIS but Dick tanking hits from a 30 tonner is all good. Nice logic there.

Because you said Nightwing slaps her to death. That's the kind of attitude that no matter what I post it isn't going to matter. There is absolutely nothing or no amount of of things I could post here that will make you be like "oh yeah she wins." so why waste my time.

Told ya.

@Pokeysteve: Elektra handling Wolverine is complete PIS and nothing more.

Elektra stabbing Red-She Hulk from behind is nothing.Everyone could.Wolverine has stabbed Hulk a lot of times in the back.

 Slicing a headband of a featless martial artist?Really ?You call that skill?

@Owie: I was really hoping you would address those images of his. You were way nicer about it than I would have been and you hit all the points I would have. You forgot Clayface and Blockbuster though. Clayface is easily beaten with water, electricity or sub-freezing temperatures. Dick uses 2 of the three there. Not impressive. Blockbuster is clearly a moron. It's like Spidey beating Rhino.

If list in OP is final version he stops at DD.

@Owie: I was really hoping you would address those images of his. You were way nicer about it than I would have been and you hit all the points I would have. You forgot Clayface and Blockbuster though. Clayface is easily beaten with water, electricity or sub-freezing temperatures. Dick uses 2 of the three there. Not impressive. Blockbuster is clearly a moron. It's like Spidey beating Rhino.

@Pokeysteve: I't's an entirely different thing to get beaten by a 30 tonner and nearly stomping a guy who humiliated Red Hulk.Elektra (without Plot) would lose to both Wolverine and Daredevil.And she has lost to Daredevil before.

@Owie said:

@Stronger said:

@Pokeysteve: Elektra handling Wolverine is complete PIS and nothing more.

There's nothing PIS about it. She's fast, she's good with nerve strikes. If she can fight on par with Daredevil, in terms of skill, why not Wolverine? You just think it's PIS because your own personal definition of her is below her actual skill level. If you accept her actual fighting ability, then it's not PIS.

Elektra stabbing Red-She Hulk from behind is nothing.Everyone could.Wolverine has stabbed Hulk a lot of times in the back.

Oh, so a lot of street levelers are capable of piercing the skin of a Hulk? I'd love to see some more. Especially with a weapon with a blunt tip like a sai. Wolverine, by the way--maybe you don't know this--has adamantium claws that can cut through anything. So it's not exactly a surprise that he can cut a Hulk. Elektra, or any other street leveler with a standard weapon? That's a pretty good feat.

Slicing a headband of a featless martial artist?Really ?You call that skill?

First, it doesn't really matter whether she's featless or not. The point is not who the woman is. The point is that Elektra could precisely cut only the ribbon, and nothing else. So she was controlling the level of her cut to within a 32nd of an inch or so, while jumping upside down. Let's look at your scans, which as far as I can tell consist of Nightwing kicking the gun out of a guy's hand, which pretty much everyone in the super hero universe can do, and throwing a tracer onto a guy (ditto). So on the one hand, we've got Elektra doing something that clearly shows precise mastery of a weapon. On the other hand, we've got...nothing. Honestly, I've got plenty of respect for Nightwing's skills. You're just not showing them here. My own personal idea of how good Nightwing is is apparently above your idea of how good he is, because I'd never consider showing those scans as evidence of his skill. He's much better than that.

Let's talk speed. Could Nightwing steal the Punisher's gun out of his hand without him knowing it? Or, let's look at the Taskmaster fight CitizenBane posted. Even in the one she lost, when he used her style, she was beating him by fighting faster than him! Taskmaster has the skill, but also the basic strength and speed to keep up with a lot of very tough guys. If she has enough pure speed to keep him from keeping up with her even given his arsenal of skills, that's impressive. Finally, I didn't say anything about smart fighting myself, but since you bring it up...that's the example you used for him being smart? That Mr. Freeze thing is a trick Scooby Doo might do. Seriously, you're underselling your character. Nightwing is way smarter than something cheesy like that.

Who said she can actually beat Daredevil?Beating Wolverine is a plot situation.He is just way faster,stronger and more durable than her.

Believe me I know more about Wolverine than you.And you don't even know what you are trying to prove.You are trying to prove Elektra's sais can pierce through Hulk's skin?Cause if this is it,it is completely pointless.And for your information Deadpool's katanas has pierced through Hulk's skin.And I am not sure they are adamantium at all.

Taskmaster's only good feats are when he had the UDON suit.All the other fights he has lost(Daredevil,Deadpool,Elektra,Spider-Woman etc).And beating Taskmaster by being faster than him isn't really something that great.He doesn't have superspeed or something.

And if it's a Scooby-Doo trick then why hasn't Elektra done not even that??She has fought more powerful enemies than her.She has never outsmarted anyone.

If you watched the scans carefully you'd see Nightwing precision Wing-Ding got the minion in a spot(pressure point probably) were he was knocked down the moment it hit him.

Here Nightwing shows a nice bit of throwing accuracy, although his plan doesn't work.

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@Pokeysteve said:

@Owie: I was really hoping you would address those images of his. You were way nicer about it than I would have been and you hit all the points I would have. You forgot Clayface and Blockbuster though. Clayface is easily beaten with water, electricity or sub-freezing temperatures. Dick uses 2 of the three there. Not impressive. Blockbuster is clearly a moron. It's like Spidey beating Rhino.

I 've never seen Elektra putting someone half as strong as him down.If she has,show me the scans.

Here are some smarts.He solved four cases on America's most wanted.

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Skills:

Nightwing #135

Shown in flashback when he was Robin defeating Metal Eddie (expert HTH, and meta reflexes & strength, even shown to stop a bullet with his hand), and taking down Liu who holds him at knifepoint

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Nightwing #152

Nightwing vs. The League of Assassins

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Batman & Robin #8

Batman (Dick Grayson) vs. Darkseid's Batman (Bruce Wayne) Clone

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Batman & The Outsiders #14

Nightwing vs. Batgirl (Cassandra)

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Nightwing vs. Captain Boomerang Jr. Nightwing dodging some boomerangs, blocking some super fast punches and beating Boomerang down to the floor.

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Here is durability:

Nightwing #135

After 52 hours of torture, dehydration and starvation Dick escapes his binds and has the Vigilante on the ropes

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Ducking from a super-speed karate kick from Jessie Quick

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@Owie said:

@Pokeysteve said:

@Owie: I was really hoping you would address those images of his. You were way nicer about it than I would have been and you hit all the points I would have. You forgot Clayface and Blockbuster though. Clayface is easily beaten with water, electricity or sub-freezing temperatures. Dick uses 2 of the three there. Not impressive. Blockbuster is clearly a moron. It's like Spidey beating Rhino.

Thanks. And true on your points. Well I figured you were doing all the work up until now and no one should have to debate a guy like this for too long! It hurts the soul. :) Well, I'm going out of town for a few days and if he replies, I'm not going to be be able to write back. But I'm with you, it's really not worth prolonging this any longer anyway.

Listen,dude.

I was in a good mood for debate and talking,but if you don't then no problem.

And when you say things about me,you should address to me as well......

@Stronger:

@Pokeysteve: I't's an entirely different thing to get beaten by a 30 tonner and nearly stomping a guy who humiliated Red Hulk.Elektra (without Plot) would lose to both Wolverine and Daredevil.And she has lost to Daredevil before.

This is the only part of that I'm going to address because I just don't care anymore. I tried to explain to you that no matter what anyone posted you were going with Nightwing. Anyways. Beating another martial artist is light years more plausible than tanking a hit from a thirty tonner. Your feat was Nightwing Tanking a hit from Gorilla Grodd. Nightwing is one of your favs and you aren't changing your mind. It's all good.

@Pokeysteve said:

@Stronger:

@Pokeysteve: I't's an entirely different thing to get beaten by a 30 tonner and nearly stomping a guy who humiliated Red Hulk.Elektra (without Plot) would lose to both Wolverine and Daredevil.And she has lost to Daredevil before.

This is the only part of that I'm going to address because I just don't care anymore. I tried to explain to you that no matter what anyone posted you were going with Nightwing. Anyways. Beating another martial artist is light years more plausible than tanking a hit from a thirty tonner. Your feat was Nightwing Tanking a hit from Gorilla Grodd. Nightwing is one of your favs and you aren't changing your mind. It's all good.

Ok then.....

If you put it that way.

so the general consensus is that he either stops at 2 or 3?

@Nightwing_1234 said:

so the general consensus is that he either stops at 2 or 3?

Pretty much. Definitely stops at Daredevil though in my opinion and yeah, I know about my icon and such, but I actually really like both characters.

He could stop at/beat Black Panther depending on his gear. Chi-powered Iron Fist beats him.

An argument can be made for him stopping at Elektra. Definitely stops at Daredevil

Daredevil can't win with only Marvel Now- Secret wars feats.