Nightcrawler Vs. DareDevil

" @velle37 said:

" I see Nightcrawler winning....... "

I don't. "

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Nightcrawler...easily.

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"Daredevil. "

"@Vance Astro said:

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Nightcrawler...easily.

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@Vance Astro said:

"Daredevil. "

     Have a change of mind?   I think it's a pretty even matchup myself. I'd give the edge to Kurt though. "

" @IrishX said:

"@Vance Astro said:

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Nightcrawler...easily.

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@Vance Astro said:

"Daredevil. "

     Have a change of mind?   I think it's a pretty even matchup myself. I'd give the edge to Kurt though. "

Lol "

" @Ferro Vida: I agree with most of what you said, but for the record I think it was PIS when Daredevil predicted Nightcrawler's appearance several seconds ahead of time. Nightcrawler has been consistantly shown as being able to teleport multiple times in a single second. That time with Daredevil indicates that there are several seconds between his disappearances and reappearances. "

" @Ferro Vida:   I respectfully disagree.  I already said that DD could tell where Kurt would be, but it won't be enough.  Kurt can be predicted, yes, but DD isn't Kraven or IF, and he certainly isn't Magneto.  In order for him to one shot Kurt, he needs to do precisely what you said...hit him with a billy club in the throat, or a nerve strike, but knowing basically where Kurt will appear doesn't give him enough to be able to make attacks with that kind of precision.  Add in that when Matt makes the attempt once, Kurt will be expecting it and adjust accordingly.  He's fast enough to dodge or block most any attack DD makes. Matt may get off a kick the first time, but Kurt can certainly take a kick from Matt.  His agility, speed,  and flexibility will allow him to take many kicks and/or punches from DD.  And I believe that enough fast  'ports just outside of DD's range of attack will leave enough noise from imploding air and brimstone stench to throw DD into sensory overload and allow Kurt the advantage.  Pyro was able to do the same thing with heat and smoke, and Bullseye's done it a few ways.  And Kurt has used this strategy effectively in the past , most tellingly against X-23 when they first met.  And if DD is distracted for even a second, Kurt can take advantage of it.  Matt won't have a feww minutes to recover like he did with Nitro.  He'll be getting 'port blitzed or suffering a fusillade of strikes that can put him down.  And that's if Kurt's playing nice.  Kurt's been training with martial artists of near equal to equal skill as DD for years, and he's trained with and fought many faster opponents.  I just don't see DD as a serious threat to Kurt unless Kurt is restricted from teleporting. "

DD is more skilled than Kraven, but Kraven is stronger, faster and has instincts that could be almost considered a sixth sense. His senses are also superior except for DD's radar sense.  Fighting skill isn't always everything.
What IF did to the entire X-men team was PIS.  Come on.  And while IF's skill is about equal to Matt's, even classic IF had superior striking.
Kurt is nowhere near DD in skill.  I'm just saying that Kurt has fought and trained with people who are DD's equal in skill, so is used to using his powers to compensate.  Again, skill isn't everything.
Kurt has successfully used a combination of noise from his ports and stench, not as damage, but as distraction against opponents with enhanced senses.  I see no reason why this wouldn't work on Matt.  Smoke can be enough to throw off his senses.   And I never said that Nitro didn't do more damage, Kurt doesn't do any damage.  But DD had time to recover after Nitro.  Kurt just needs a distraction to allow him to 'port in close and take DD on Mr Toad's Wild Ride.  KO, done.
I didn't see the Rogue thing, but it reeks of PIS.  Though anything from Rogue, wouldn't surprise me.  She did beat Wolverine without her powers too.  She may not have the h2h feats, or be ranked as high, but she does pull off some crazy things.

" DD is more skilled than Kraven, but Kraven is stronger, faster and has instincts that could be almost considered a sixth sense. His senses are also superior except for DD's radar sense.  Fighting skill isn't always everything. What IF did to the entire X-men team was PIS.  Come on.  And while IF's skill is about equal to Matt's, even classic IF had superior striking. Kurt is nowhere near DD in skill.  I'm just saying that Kurt has fought and trained with people who are DD's equal in skill, so is used to using his powers to compensate.  Again, skill isn't everything.Kurt has successfully used a combination of noise from his ports and stench, not as damage, but as distraction against opponents with enhanced senses.  I see no reason why this wouldn't work on Matt.  Smoke can be enough to throw off his senses.   And I never said that Nitro didn't do more damage, Kurt doesn't do any damage.  But DD had time to recover after Nitro.  Kurt just needs a distraction to allow him to 'port in close and take DD on Mr Toad's Wild Ride.  KO, done. I didn't see the Rogue thing, but it reeks of PIS.  Though anything from Rogue, wouldn't surprise me.  She did beat Wolverine without her powers too.  She may not have the h2h feats, or be ranked as high, but she does pull off some crazy things. "

I think Nightcrawler and Daredevil have skills and powers that balance out well and would make an interesting fight (thus the bumped 3 year old post). In the end I see it this way.

 Agility - Body positioning ability: About   equal,  Flexibility: NC, Balance: DD (slightly)

 Strength: DD (slightly)

 Combat Skills: DD (though NC’s got skills)   

 Powers

 What I think it really comes down to is blitz teleporting vs. senses anticipating those ports.   NC might be able to teleport DD a mile up and drop him but that’s only if DD doesn’t anticipate the move and crack him in the face when he pops in. So ... DD hits him as they teleport, NC is knocked out a mile in the air and they both fall to their deaths. It is sad day in the Marvel Universe indeed. Now are you all happy with yourselves? :-)          

Kurt does not have superhuman speed

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I think Nightcrawler and Daredevil have skills and powers that balance out well and would make an interesting fight (thus the bumped 3 year old post). In the end I see it this way.

 Agility - Body positioning ability: About   equal,  Flexibility: NC, Balance: DD (slightly)

 Strength: DD (slightly)

 Combat Skills: DD (though NC’s got skills)   

 Powers

 What I think it really comes down to is blitz teleporting vs. senses anticipating those ports.   NC might be able to teleport DD a mile up and drop him but that’s only if DD doesn’t anticipate the move and crack him in the face when he pops in. So ... DD hits him as they teleport, NC is knocked out a mile in the air and they both fall to their deaths. It is sad day in the Marvel Universe indeed. Now are you all happy with yourselves? :-)          

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" @Ferro Vida said:

Kurt does not have superhuman speed

Since when? "

Several seconds may have been an exaggeration, but the point was that he was able to detect that Kurt was about to appear when he was not in the immediate area to begin with.  

Kurt maybe.

Daredevil without much problem

SORRY FANS nightcrawler takes this:

both are equally skilled fighters, nightcrawler more agile w/tail advantage and wall crawling.

THE REAL MISCONCEPTION I SEE IS : ppl think daredevil will track nightcrawler by smell. WRONG. WHEN HE TELEPORTS IN THATS WHEN U WILL SMELL THE OTHER DIMENSION. THE SMELL WILL BE ALL AROUND AFTER EACH TELEPORTATION.

its not a method of tracking him because hes not smelling his movements in the other dimension which is only a matter of thought and seconds.

daredevil could only hope to learn his fighting pattern if one, but by then nightcrawler already beats him silly.

ive only seen gambit and cyclops handle nc because they know his methods. crawler whooped spideys azz b4.

no night crawler is not stronger than dd no no way ..night crawler can lift his own body weight at most dd is a one tonner he can use his billy club to swing around nyc buidling i say have to be pretty apish for that night crawler has been laughed at by many people on how soft his blows are

Umm why would night crawler kill someone right off the back?

Obviously with morals off and daredevil wouldn't know he has to hold on to Kurt when he teleports Kurt has the edge. With tele drops. But since Kurt isn't a villain he wouldn't drop him from crazy heights. (Although maybe from a few stories batman style) honestly this is a hell of a fight. I think daredevil radar sense completely counteracts night crawlers teleporting fighstyle sense he senses as soon as night crawler starts to teleport in. No sneak attacks for night crawler . I'm pretty sure daredevil would win but only 4/7 fights

daredevil is a joke in this match up lol, kurt for the easy win

Nightcrawler

Kurt

I don't think Kurt can even touch Matt Murdock. Wolverine's senses were a hard counter to Kurt and he never got a single win in their training sessions despite having hundreds of fights between them. It wasn't just Logan's senses that let him win every time it was also because he found Nightcrawler to be very predictable. He was even holding back and giving Kurt openings on purpose and it didn't make a difference.

Matt's whole thing is his exceptional sensory powers and fighting skill. He's winning every single time.