Naruto isn't allowed to use Kyuubi
There is no limit to Sage Mode
Luffy isn't allowed to use gears 3rd or haki
There is no limit to to how long he can stay in gears 2nd
Both are bloodlusted
Who wins?
Naruto(Sage Mode) vs Luffy(2nd Gear)
@PlasticBag said:
@ComocYahweh: Luffy's durability >>> Naruto's durability
Yeah I don't think so, in Sage mode one nearly completely invulnerable, and Naruto has never gotten hurt while in it.
@ComocYahweh: Naruto has been hurt in Sage Mode. He also hasn't fought anyone on Luffys level before. And you have your own opinion.
@PlasticBag said:
@ComocYahweh: Naruto has been hurt in Sage Mode. He also hasn't fought anyone on Luffys level before. And you have your own opinion.
He has never been hurt in Sage Mode, he has fought enemies much stronger than Luffy and won, and yes, but there is a difference between opinion and fact.
@ComocYahweh: Who has he fought that is stronger than Luffy? And yes opinion and fact are different like how you said Naruto is much more badass is an opinion.
@PlasticBag said:
@ComocYahweh: Who has he fought that is stronger than Luffy? And yes opinion and fact are different like how you said Naruto is much more badass is an opinion.
Pein for one is much more powerful than Luffy.
Luffy is stronger, faster and more durable. Plus, no version of the rasengan is going to hurt Luffy, with him being rubber and all. The only thing that can really hurt Luffy is the rasenshuriken, since that can cut Luffy.
@uberhikari said:
Luffy is stronger, faster and more durable. Plus, no version of the rasengan is going to hurt Luffy, with him being rubber and all. The only thing that can really hurt Luffy is the rasenshuriken, since that can cut Luffy.
You have no idea what you are talking about. As kid naruto was faster than the eye can see, as older he is even faster, and in Sage mode he's much much faster. Also Naruto has NEVER been hurt in Sage mode so there is no reason to believe Luffys durability is higher and sage mode naruto is easily 200+ tonner.
@ComocYahweh said:
@uberhikari said:
Luffy is stronger, faster and more durable. Plus, no version of the rasengan is going to hurt Luffy, with him being rubber and all. The only thing that can really hurt Luffy is the rasenshuriken, since that can cut Luffy.
You have no idea what you are talking about. As kid naruto was faster than the eye can see, as older he is even faster, and in Sage mode he's much much faster. Also Naruto has NEVER been hurt in Sage mode so there is no reason to believe Luffys durability is higher and sage mode naruto is easily 200+ tonner.
I'm guessing your basing that 200+ ton thing off summons,well luffy picked this up and spun it.This is also way early on in the series.
You say Sage Mode Naruto's never been hurt,then explain in the fight with Pain him having 10+ rods in his body and not being able to move.About the whole not being able to see thing,thats not that impressive(you can see him running a lot of the time anyways).
@ComocYahweh said:
@uberhikari said:
Luffy is stronger, faster and more durable. Plus, no version of the rasengan is going to hurt Luffy, with him being rubber and all. The only thing that can really hurt Luffy is the rasenshuriken, since that can cut Luffy.
You have no idea what you are talking about. As kid naruto was faster than the eye can see, as older he is even faster, and in Sage mode he's much much faster. Also Naruto has NEVER been hurt in Sage mode so there is no reason to believe Luffys durability is higher and sage mode naruto is easily 200+ tonner.
First, Naruto is fast but in Gear 2nd Luffy is hypersonic. As the guy above me showed, Luffy absolutely wrecked Blueno by speed blitzing him. And earlier in the video we see Blueno make 4 or 5 sonic booms in quick succession.
Second, you said Naruto has never been hurt in Sage Mode? LOL! Either you're lying or wanking. In any event, here is Naruto getting the sage chakura sucked out of him and then getting shit stomped by Pain. Plus, your argument is fallacious anyway: even if Naruto has never been injured in Sage Mode (which isn't true), that doesn't mean he can't be injured while in Sage Mode.
Third, I hope you're not one of those people who are going to argue that Naruto in Sage Mode is stronger than Luffy. Please, don't try it. Luffy has a ridiculous amount of strength feats like this and this. He's pushing over buildings while sandwiched in between them and punching through bedrock and knocking over buildings. In terms of strength Luffy shits all over Naruto.
Fourth, if all Naruto tries to do is spam the rasengan, which he does 99.99% of the time, he's going to lose. Why? Because Luffy is made out of rubber so he can't be hurt physically by attacks like that. The only thing that will really work against Luffy is the rasenshuriken because that uses wind manipulation chakura that can cut Luffy.
So, all in all, Luffy is faster, stronger and his durability, enhanced by the fact that his body is made out of rubber, makes him impervious to any Frog Fu or rasengan techniques. Luffy takes this fairly easily.
Edit: Since the video above doesn't actually show the part where Luffy speed blitzing Blueno, here it is.
I made a similar thread (not to toot my own horn) trying to be as fair to both as possible.
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/luffy-vs-naruto-only-with-a-twist/714643/
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Luffy is faster than Naruto, possibly stronger and none of Naruto's physical attacks have meaning
just gonna leave this here
@ComocYahweh said:
@PlasticBag said:
@ComocYahweh: Luffy's durability >>> Naruto's durability
Yeah I don't think so, in Sage mode one nearly completely invulnerable, and Naruto has never gotten hurt while in it.
Naruto has speed advantage over Luffy? What manga are you reading? Base form luffy has better speed feats than Sage mode naruto dude.
@ComocYahweh said:
@uberhikari said:
Luffy is stronger, faster and more durable. Plus, no version of the rasengan is going to hurt Luffy, with him being rubber and all. The only thing that can really hurt Luffy is the rasenshuriken, since that can cut Luffy.
You have no idea what you are talking about. As kid naruto was faster than the eye can see, as older he is even faster, and in Sage mode he's much much faster. Also Naruto has NEVER been hurt in Sage mode so there is no reason to believe Luffys durability is higher and sage mode naruto is easily 200+ tonner.
Luffy is more durable, he's damn near completely Invulnerable to blunt force attacks, and naruto is nearly quick enough to tag him anyway, speed blitz is a very possible win for Luffy.
Naruto vs Luffy will never be a fair fight/debate, it's always gonna be a mismatch in one another's favour.
If the kyuubi get's involved, it's a mismatch, if not, it's still a mismatch.. One character gets nerfed to make things fair, it's a mismatch, the other gets nerfed to make things fair and it's still a mismatch lol
@Skit said:
@ComocYahweh said:
@uberhikari said:
Luffy is stronger, faster and more durable. Plus, no version of the rasengan is going to hurt Luffy, with him being rubber and all. The only thing that can really hurt Luffy is the rasenshuriken, since that can cut Luffy.
You have no idea what you are talking about. As kid naruto was faster than the eye can see, as older he is even faster, and in Sage mode he's much much faster. Also Naruto has NEVER been hurt in Sage mode so there is no reason to believe Luffys durability is higher and sage mode naruto is easily 200+ tonner.
You say Sage Mode Naruto's never been hurt,then explain in the fight with Pain him having 10+ rods in his body and not being able to move.About the whole not being able to see thing,thats not that impressive(you can see him running a lot of the time anyways).
That was after his sage mode had been absorbed, so he was no longer in sage mode.
@ComocYahweh: I just rewatched that fight and you are correct,so I appologise for that.By watching that fight I did notice that Naruto in Sage mode did show pain a few times.When the Deva path used the small green/black sphere version of the almighty push on Naruto and his clone.Hes sent flying back and you see his face and hes wincing in pain grunting(i'll provide a scan/video if you want).When Jiraiya went into Sage mode he got injured and even killed.He had far better control of Sage mode,yet he was deinatley not invincible.
@Skit said:
@ComocYahweh: I just rewatched that fight and you are correct,so I appologise for that.By watching that fight I did notice that Naruto in Sage mode did show pain a few times.When the Deva path used the small green/black sphere version of the almighty push on Naruto and his clone.Hes sent flying back and you see his face and hes wincing in pain grunting(i'll provide a scan/video if you want).When Jiraiya went into Sage mode he got injured and even killed.He had far better control of Sage mode,yet he was deinatley not invincible.
Naruto has far better control of sage mode.
Considering Naruto's speed and durability boosts in sage mode, they're pretty even, with an edge to luffy. But Going with Naruto due to his versatility, specially with sage mode. If luffy gets hit with a rasenshurikern, I doubt even he will be allright..
@ComocYahweh: Jiraiya was able to incorperate more into hs fight with Pain(lasted longer and used more justus iiirc),looked far more frog like and has a lot more experience with it.Naruto was just had better stats(since he was better at base).You also havn't addressed any of my other points like strangth,speed and the fact that Sage Mode Naruto(he difinatley was) got injured from Deva Paths almighty push.
@Skit: Actually, his sage mode was considered better because he didn't have a single frog-like transformation..
luffy, because even though rasenshuriken would be deadly against luffy, he'd be able to do way more damage to naruto, and quickly too, as well as being able to withstand several rasengan due to his rubbery physique
@ComocYahweh: Luffy's durability >>> Naruto's durability
this and Luffy
Lol what?! Sage Mode Naruto is a casual Star Destroyer and Relativistic he Solo's the whole One Piece Verse. So this is clearly Spite against Luffy, in before the lock.
Lol what?! Sage Mode Naruto is a casual Star Destroyer and Relativistic he Solo's the whole One Piece Verse. So this is clearly Spite against Luffy, in before the lock.
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