Monarch and Superman Prime vs. Marvel Team

Marvel Team

• Fallen One
• Terrax the Tamer
• Red Shift
• Firelord
• Morg the Executioner
• Gabriel the Air-Walker
• Nova (Frankie Raye)
• Silver Surfer
• Stardust
• Jack of Hearts
• Quasar
• Beta Ray Bill
• Gladiator
• Nova (Richard Rider)
• Ronan the Accuser
• Thor
• Blue Marvel
• Anti-Man
• Sentry (Stable)
• Composite Hyperion
• Hulk
• Graviton
• Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell)
• Drax the Destroyer
• Vulcan
• Saviour Cable
• Maestro
• Magneto
• Black Bolt
• Super Skrull

The Rules

• Win by any means except Monarch and Superman Prime cannot be TPd or BFRd.
• Monarch and Superman Prime are morals off, bloodlusted, and going all-out.
• Marvel Team is in-character but determined to win.
• Random encounter on a deserted Earth.
• Post-Crisis and Earth-616 versions.
• Random encounter.

Thats a lot of people....

Thor solos, Hulk solos, SS solos, BRB solos, Sentry Solos,

Monarch drains a large number of them (they won't be able to do the same back since he pulls from a source of infinite energy). He could also just one-shot most of them. Captain Atom has already one-shot Green Lantern in the past (who has comparable durability to most of the characters here). Not only that, but Monarch killed several versions of Superman and Wonder Woman just to prove a point. An AoE attack from him should wipe out a lot of these characters.

Prime probably goes on a one-shotting fest, and blitzes a large number of the characters present. I also don't think that anyone here has what it takes to harm him or Monarch.

Super Skrull, Blue Marvel, Hulk, Black Bolt, Magneto, Nova, Thor, Gladiator, Fallen One, etc... They all die pretty quick.

Silly above. Which thor is this by the way it really matters. If this is OF Thor or above then team can win. I will get into details once I know which I'm dealing with??

@the_man_with_questions: Captain Atom has also been 1 shotted by Hal plenty of times. lets not pretend Captain Atom > Hal Jordan... hes not and its not even close

@mysticmedivh: i notice you didnt include Adam Warlock... coward!

@destinyman75: Regular Thor.

@warlockmage:

I didn't want to go through Soul Steal GG posts, so yeah, I left him out.

When did Lantern one-shot Atom? Scans? Issue number? Etc? Atom would destroy Lantern. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Hal would beat Atom.

Ugh, get Sentry out of there. I love Sentry, but like Flash, he ruins battles.

@mysticmedivh: in character Adam would never risk soul stealing Monarch and Prime

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he'll only use it as an absolute last resort. because if he soul steals then he'll have that persons soul in them (and im sure Monarch and Prime's souls arent too nice)

only people who dont know adam would say "Soul Steal" GG however it is possible he takes them into the soul world so ill accept your answer.

as for this the duo should win i think

@the_man_with_questions: just so you know asking for scans/issue numbers with me is useless as i dont make claims that dont have scans backing them up

i am missing the follow up scan but Atom is 1 shotted. Atom cant even break out of Hals chain construct.

Captain Atom is not in the same league as Hal Jordan. unless its Nu 52 and then i got news for you

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im gonna back the guy who punched a whole straight through Amazo with the JLs powers coppied over Captain Atom sorry.

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@the_man_with_questions: just so you know asking for scans/issue numbers with me is useless as i dont make claims that dont have scans backing them up

i am missing the follow up scan but Atom is 1 shotted. Atom cant even break out of Hals chain construct.

Captain Atom is not in the same league as Hal Jordan. unless its Nu 52 and then i got news for you

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im gonna back the guy who punched a whole straight through Amazo with the JLs powers coppied over Captain Atom sorry.

Atom wasn't one-shot. Post the full fight.

Atom literally proceeds to one-shot Hal two panels later. Not only that, but this was a less experience Atom. Atom, Pre-Monarch, was able to temporarily put Mr. Majestic out of commission. Not only that, but the version of Atom being used here is him in his Monarch state. He took on an entire army of Lanterns, as well as several versions of Superman and Wonder Woman, and easily beat them all. Atom destroys Lantern. Period.

As for your other scan, take a moment to look at what's going on in that scan. Atom isn't even trying. He's holding back and trying to explain himself to the Titans and Hal. Not only that, but he wasn't one-shot. Nothing even indicates that he was significantly hurt. What's your point?

@mysticmedivh: thank you sir. In that case this is tough. If Thor absorbs redirects monarchs own power back at him or if all the heralds silver surfer etc jump supes while the rest attack monarch then yes they can win due to versility and numbers. But even then won't be easy. Thor and Bill together can absorb redirect massive energy from monarch while sentry and silver surfer and the heralds jump Superman. Many will fall but sentry surfer nova they are all fast enough for supes. The combined power of this team takes this

Team loses. Heat vision kills more 99% . Reality breaking punches.

Plus the last time i recall even the combine power of every one here doesnt compare to the Monarch.

I have yet to see any body with the enough power to destroy the universe instantly. Not energy over time. Not two mins but instantly. That is just too powerful. Not even Galactus with all his rage could do that.

mismatch

Monarch and Prime.

Hal's power ring was nearly depleted against Nathaniel

Prime and Monarch win

Worst-case scenario, Monarch blows up and Prime survives it.

Prime/Monarch win every time.

None of the heroes or villains you just said have any feat of absorbing or surviving a universal blast that erases everything in an instant . There is no proof none of them can drain the power of a universe busting energies. How are they going to survive Prime Punch or heat vision well i should not call it heat vision if i recall it did some damage to the Source wall. I may have to go back and read. He was even standing on the source wall

Team 1 stomps.

The Duo.

Monarch alone can incinerate everyone here lmao

@termiteone4ever: Oh you could be right I'm not debating against monarch and Superman winning its certainly a possible outcome maybe even more probable. What I am doing is debating how the team could potentially do so. Thor BRB and silver surfer all have massive absorbing abilities. Thor Absorbed the null bomb easily and the null bomb was 1/3 of the entire universe in scope. So I think BRB working with Thor can absorb redirect Monarchs blast. Not just because of the scope chance but also because Monarchs universe blast never destroyed even a planet (not that he doesn't have the potential mind you. . But he has never done that. So I can see thor having delt with the Null Bomb and having a history of absorbing could potentially do so here. Especially with Bills, Maybe Quasar's added help since he too can absorb redirect and sheild and maybe magnetos shields to sheild them as well. Having said that Superman bad as he us will have a hard time enough with all these heralds of Galactus and Sentry Surfer between them all they can certainly win or at the very least occupy superman long enough. Once Thor bill quasar magneto captain marvel blue marvel.black bolt Hyperion etc can handle Monarch they way I mentioned above while Sentry Surfer and all the other heralds deal with Superman. So yes I think they can win

@mysticmedivh:

How is this not a mismatch? The only ones who aren't complete non-factors are annihilators & Sentry & Thor.

Thor or any annihilator isn't going to hurt any of them & monarch's versatility outmatches annihilators' & Thor's.

The only things sentry has over them is molecular manip & TP, TP is banned & SMP has resisted stronger molecular manip. I assume monarch can do it too as he is by definition captain atom.

The bomb Thor absorbed was only enough to destroy a galaxy. (that's still really freaking impressive though)

Thor's hammer created a shield that contained a blast from a bomb that was going to destroy 1/4th or 1/5th of the universe.

Also I think prime is susceptible to energy drain.

Also the point you make about the universe destroying blast is pretty good, the planet they're on survives, a monitor survives and even a little plant that was possibly shielded by the monitors personal shields survives. Also doesn't that kill monarch?? I don't think he can just dish out universe destroying blasts like that.

Plus if were counting one off showings like Prime surviving a universe destroying blast at point blank range even though that's contradictory to literally all his other durability feats ever, than Hyperion's feat of surviving 2 universes blowing up in his face should still stand.

Team 1.

Team 1 curbstomp

Many heroes will be getting one shotted

And if worse comes to worst, SMP rip's monarch's armour off and survives while everyone else is vaporised.

There's context behind monitor surviving the blast.

Man Prime wasn't around for long at all, so his universal durability is not contradictory. Hyperion survived the collision of 2 earths, not universes, it's been debunked. And even then that's actually contradictory for hyperion's durability.

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Whats the context to monitor surviving the blast??

Also he's essentially Superboy prime grown up at that point since during there battle monarch mentions that the Gaurdian energies he'd absorbed were fading, or were almost gone (I don't remember his exact wording) which would make it contradictory to his other showings since he is still the same character from the same universe, not an entirely different Superman.

Also Hyperion holds the planets apart, they don't fully collide. It directly states that the cascading energy destroys two entire universes, and Hyperion is caught right in the middle. If this feat has been debunked please enlighten me, or link me to the forum in which it has been debunked.

Team 2 because of Genis Vell.

Duo w/ some effort.

Duo.

Core 2 Duo

Monarch effortlessly stood up to 2 Supermen and 3 Wonder Women all at once and they couldn't even hurt him. It was like they were all hitting a wall. Monarch alone would molly wop all these guys.

Superman one shots, monarch blast one shots

Team 2 wins hard-diff.

@youmessinwithme: I agree with you I think the combined efforts this many on team 2 can give is more then enough for the win...

I think Team can win

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Bloo Marvel soloz wit teh antimatter powerz.

Monarch and Prime clean house.

Heralds of Galactus + Gladiator and Nova can give Prime lots of trouble, while others will deal with Monarch. There are too many of them.

Team wins hard-diff.

@jedisupermaster: No lol.

sorry team 1 stomps hard ;D

@jadenlol: Yes Double LOL...

Superman prime or monarch can easily kill all of them with the wave of his hand

Marvel team needs big guns like galactus eternity

Best case scenario

Superman and monarch will fight for a right to destroy marvel team :d

Superman Prime would clear by himself.

Composite Hyperion? Lol that's too much

Team 1