MCU Trio VS DCEU Trinity

Batman throws some gas, steals Kurse's grenades, and solos

@destinyman75:

IMO DCEU team wins.

Somethings I was just wondering about:

• Explain how the infinity stone negates speed advantage.
• When has malekith ever shown power comparable to that of a nuke and can you prove it?
• Wonder Woman was fast enough to deflect bullets from multiple angles and has a sword capable of cutting through kryptonians, how long does kurse's "decent defense" last?
• IIRC Iron Man's hulkbuster has no showings of being able to endure superman's heat vision or wonder woman's sword, Do you have an argument for this?
• Superman and Iron man would likely have an aerial battle, seeing as they are the only participants in this fight who can fly, how do you think iron man could beat superman?

@scipio123: , aether transforms matter into dark matter sure but it needs the convergence

Dude it needs the convergence in order to "destroy the 9 realms simultaneously" There is no doubt about it's power. It was thoroughly established by Odin

and the aether didn't even damage anything in their vicinity

You're again choosing to ignore the fact that it'd began matter manipulating the 9 realms and the universe at large....as to the vicinity not being damaged, It'd began to be..The Aether storm had just been activated fam

You really ought to quit underselling MCU bro

@fostinoe: Yeah mjolnir is absolutely faster then sound.

@fostinoe: again mjolnir sure can travel that fast, its a 42 pounds object not dragging dead weight. Thor can't fly even at mach 1, his flight speed has consistently been subsonic

@almightyamortal: Mmmmm you may be right. I don't remember Kurse showing any type of super speed. Ok sure, Batman can probably dance around Kurse for a few moments until Wonder Woman OR Superman finishes the job. Now I'm only saying IF Malikeith has the R-Stone I don't see how Superman or Wonder Woman or even Batman counter someone like that.

Edit: ok I went back and saw the OP gave Malakeith the R-Stone so I THINK he alone could win this.

That's just speculation. What was shown onscreen was that malekith was capable of unleashing tendrils of energy that seemed have a range of 2-3 dozen metres at most.

If you want to claim that the aether has the range to affect the 9 realms without the convergence then please bring something to prove it.

@DammeFavour: The Aether needed the convergence because they were direct portals to other parts of the universe. Parts far off otherwise. Making the time it takes to consume everything significantly less. Doesn't in anyway mean it won't work without it.

@almightyamortal:

Whether the stone has the range to reach all 9 realms is irrelevant to this fight. We saw it has enough range to reach the sun from Earth (jane's vision). How long that will take and why malekith would even know to do that is another story.

MCU Trio win this battle with a moderate amount of difficulty, they just have too much raw power for the DCEU Trinity to overcome.

@ridd: Batman dies.

@stormphoenix:

IIRC malkeith's stone was not very impressive. I have noticed that some people act as if malekith with the stone was Mister Mxyzptlk level from supergirl. IIRC malekith, through the stone, increased his strength, durability and regeneration, to the point of matching thor and was capable of controlling energy that might have taken down a few buildings.

With what I have seen of malekith, I don't know what is preventing wonder woman from cutting of malekith's head and passing it to superman, allowing him the chance to throw it into outer space, thus preventing malekith from getting the chance heal - in which case DCEU team wins because he hasn't yet showed the ability to survive being beheaded.

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Aether

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@DammeFavour: Bro quit trying to make the distinction that solo mjolnir and mjolnir carrying Thor are 2 two different things....cus they aren't. What you're doing is a lil reaching. Also as u can see from the scan, The Aether "does help regenerate limbs",. However I won't blame you much for not noticing...It's hard to do so but just watch that scene again and carefully

@almightyamortal: U can check out the narration at the beginning of Dark world as well as Odin's diagnosis and "history lecture" of the Aether. Don't misconstrue "tendrils to be the full might of an infinity stone...that's just silly" Wish I could drop the video but I can't...for now those scans will do

@fostinoe: lol.....ur using a wiki as source?

Until I can upload a video, yh. Plus, I cited where exactly you'd find the proof you want didn't I?

DCEU stomps, HB gets one shotted Superman blitz stomps Malekieth and WW slices Kurse 's head off

@fostinoe: check this.....

@fostinoe:

1. 1. I don't remember anyone absorbing life-force, so please actually post something to prove it.
   2. If thor can escape the black hole bomb, I believe it would be safe to say that superman and wonder woman would be able to avoid that fate, IIRC superman has comparable speed.
   3. Nothing has been shown on-screen that proves malekith has universal range with the infinity gem. Just because a previous user of a stone might have been capable of achieving the feat does not mean it is safe to assume that malekith can do the same.... e.g., previous user of power stone destroyed a world simply by standing on its surface but it took the combined effort of the guardians use the stones power to destroy a single person. Without evidence your claim should regare as speculation and have no relevance in this discussion.
2. The inifinity stone increased malekith's strength, durability, regeneration and gave him the ability to create tendrils of energy used to strike his opponents. There is no proof that malekith has "Universal level matter-manipulation" .
3. Getting stabbed through the chest is different from being separated from your limbs or your head. There is no evidence that proves that kurse would be much trouble after he is deprived of his arms and legs.
4. I had already stated in a previous post that I believed although the DCEU team would win, batman would likely die and I would take your answer to mean that iron man has no defence against superman's or wonder woman's attacks.
5. I asked if you thought IM could beat SM in an aerial battle and if yes how. You did not answer my question.

@almightyamortal: Hmm you bring up a good point. I think I was referring to the Reality Manipulation where there seemed like a ripple in reality??? I don't know I was thinking if WW or Supes charged at him they'd be ported somewhere else.

@blackpantherisb:

HB gets one-shotted by who? Batman?

@fostinoe:

I would have no problem with you using the wiki as a source if and only if what was shown onscreen matches what is included in the wiki.

The problem with what you said is that you have misinterpreted what was given to you. Malekith cannot absorb the life force of his enemies. The Aether itself draws strength from the life force of it's host bodies i.e., whoever uses the aether risks letting the aether absorb their own life force. - which was the very reason thor wanted the aether out of jane in the first place remember?

The problem with Odin's story was that Thor himself said it was read to him as a bedtime story (when was the last time a bedtime story was actually accurate) and that it had virtually no details as to how the dark elves wanted to use the aether to accomplish their goal. What was shown on screen was that malekith needed the convergence to as well as the aether to accomplish that goal.

EDIT: Just had to add that IMO what's silly is the fact that someone supporting DCEU this time, paid more atention to the mcu movies than mcu supporters.

@stormphoenix:

The "ripples in reality" were caused by the convergence not the aether. The text below is from MCU wiki

"During the Convergence, all of the Nine Realms of Yggdrasil are in alignment. This alignment causes the dimensional boundaries between each realm to become thin, resulting in various physical anomalies occurring at random. These phenomena include shifts in gravity, spatial extrusions, and the fabric of reality possibly tearing apart. Perhaps most notably, invisible wormholes that allow matter to move between realms are seemingly born and evaporate at random. As the Convergence reaches its apex, several larger, visible wormholes open in the sky above central locations in each realm, with each portal acting as a window through which parts of other realms can be seen."

@almightyamortal: Ok then, I'll go back to my original answer then. DCU wins.

@almightyamortal:

@DammeFavour: Dude watch ryt after his "first arm had been teleported"...It begins to regenerate. Watch closely

@almightyamortal: as you have just stated via your wiki post, the convergence just creates portals to the other worlds...heck even the word "window" is used. But ""universal destruction"" is solely the Gem's

@fostinoe:

1. A character grunting off-screen does not prove anything.
2. Wonder Woman could get caught in the bomb, but then again it would just be speculation on whether or not kurse would be able to activate the bomb before he is decapitated.
3. IMO it does not matter what may or may not have happened previously because what was shown on-screen was that the convergence was an essential part of the dark elves plan.
4. Those perks are the only abilities that the aether gives it's user without the aid of the convergence.
5. Narration or statements from characters are of secondary importance compared to what was actually shown on screen.
6. And you are assuming Kurse could actually touch her.
7. Until you provide real on-screenevidence instead of exaggeration you are not convincing anyone.
8. I agree, batman does survive for a while.
9. If anything, you showed your inability to provide a real answer.

@almightyamortal: Did you not watch the movie or understand the plot? The nine realms were visible the reach is on screen and far more then a few meters. As to how it negates speed. Teleportation is the answer. It may not outright negate per say but it makes the speed less relevant since he can Telaport here to there very quickly. Which doesn't make them any slower but it makes malkeith much harder to engage, which also makes him more dangerous with his ranged attacks. Those are very relevant to the battle and should be looked at.

@destinyman75: aether doesn't teleport. There's no convergence in this scenario. All teleportation in the movie were caused by the convergence

@DammeFavour: aether didn't malkeith did

Somehow "shifts in gravity, spatial extrusions, and the fabric of reality possibly tearing apart" means causing no damage at all to you, seeing as how you state that the "destruction" aspect belongs solely to the aether. I suggest reading the whole thing and not just what you want to see.

My understanding is that the convergence is what allows the aether to destruction on all of the nine realms and there has been no evidence to support the idea that the aether is capable of causing that level of destruction by itself.

@destinyman75: dude, things have been teleporting before the aether came into play. That's how jane ended up close to the aether. Aether doesn't teleport, do malekith is getting sliced in half most likely

@destinyman75:

Because it makes much more sense that malekith did all the teleporting seeing as how he deliberately teleported his massive ship onto himself, seemingly causing his own death....

@DammeFavour: nah malkeith will Telaport

@spideyjust:

it's BECAUSE I'M BATMAAAAANN!!!!!

@destinyman75: again malekith CANNOT teleport. He doesn't have the power

Somehow "shifts in gravity, spatial extrusions, and the fabric of reality possibly tearing apart" means causing no damage at all to you

Shifts in gravity=/= universal destruction...not even a lil

(spatial extrusions, and the fabric of reality possibly tearing apart) all equals disruptions in space-time which still doesn't equal universal destruction

, seeing as how you state that the "destruction" aspect belongs solely to the aether. I suggest reading the whole thing and not just what you want to see.

I think wikia needs to settle this. Hope your discernment game in lit bro cus If this don't move you, Then nothing will. HERE GOES.......

The Aether (pronounced ēTHər) is an Infinity Stone, the remnant of a singularity that predates the universe. A force of ancient and catastrophic power, the Aether has the potential to transform the entire universe

"Long before the birth of light there was darkness, and from that darkness came the Dark Elves. Millennia ago the most ruthless of their kind, Malekith, sought to transform our universe back into one of eternal night. Such evil was possible through the power of the Aether, an ancient force of infinite destruction."

―Odin^[src]

The Aether was used by the Dark Elves of Svartalfheim, in particular, by their leader Malekith. Every five-thousand years, the Convergence causes the Nine Realms to become aligned. In 2988 BC, Malekith planned to use this event to release the Aether and plunge the nine realms into eternal darkness

basically, convergence=alignment window throughout 9 realms

Infinite destruction/universal destruction/9 realm destruction=AETHER

My understanding is that the convergence is what allows the aether to destruction on all of the nine realms and there has been no evidence to support the idea that the aether is capable of causing that level of destruction by itself.

Hope you see it now

@DammeFavour: lol

@spideyjust: No lol Supes one shots

Superman and Wonder Woman both solo. Batman looks cool lol

@DammeFavour:

and he didn't actually grow a new arm, it was the aether tendril thingy

And how exactly does this make a difference? The fact is, Malekith lost his arms, and they started to re-form afterwards. How is that not impressive?

supported by the fact that they disappeared after he left the aether mist

That was because the Aether had been blasted/teleported out of him. He was thus made mortal once more.

aether transforms matter into dark matter sure but it needs the convergence

It needs the Convergence to destroy the Nine Realms, yes. But Malekith doesn't need to destroy the Nine Realms to hurt Clark. If he shrouds Clark in an Aether-storm, it will DEFINITELY hurt him. You do realise that the Aether is literally shown to DESTROY suns (the source of Superman's power) in Jane's vision, right? Here it is if you can't remember:

To suggest that a blast of that wouldn't hurt Clark is just blind fanboyism IMO.

and the aether didn't even damage anything in their vicinity

Except it straight-up KO'd Thor. A guy who has only ever been KO'd one other time-by the Sokovia explosion. And unlike Superman, Thor's powers aren't derived from the sun.

@scipio123: please could u highlight his new arms? and the aether didn't get teleported out of him, where did u get that that? they recovered the aether from his dead body on the dark world. The aether might be able to destroy a star over time but that is not combat applicable as all he can do in combat is shoot tendrils, considering thor's durability has been shit in the mcu, its not surprising. And it was just the shockwave from teleporting malekith that knocked him out

@DammeFavour:

please could u highlight his new arms?

Ok, looking at it again, his arms don't exactly re-grow as such. But he's still pretty much unaffected by having his body dismembered. That's crazy durability.

and the aether didn't get teleported out of him, where did u get that that?

It wasn't explicitly stated, sure. But I got the impression from the way the Aether was floating above him when the ship collapsed that the massive force of Thor's attack coupled with the teleportation resulted in him being separated from it.

they recovered the aether from his dead body on the dark world.

We actually have no idea how they retrieved it. They might just have found it floating in the air on Svartalfheim. In fact, this eems more likely given that Malekith, was, y'know, crushed under a ship that probably weighs hundreds, if not thousands of tons.

The aether might be able to destroy a star over time but that is not combat applicable as all he can do in combat is shoot tendrils,

He doesn't need to destroy the sun, though. He just needs to create a big Aether-storm. Why won't that hurt Superman?

considering thor's durability has been shit in the mcu,

It really hasn't. In fact, it's probably better than Superman's. But, alas, I am veering from the discussion.

its not surprising.

It is when the only other thing to KO Thor in the MCU was this:

And it was just the shockwave from teleporting malekith that knocked him out

Sure, the same "shockwaves" that couldn't hurt Jane or Selvig. It's far more likely that it was that rather than the UNIVERSE-BUSTING INFINITY STONE. A portal is totally more powerful than that.

Anyway, none of this changes the fact that the Batfleck is dying instantly here.

Tony, Kurse and Malekith would all be hassle to take down, for completely different reasons. Supes and WW would have to spend a while tearing, punching and stabbing their way through the Hulkbuster armour, which probably can't do either of them much damage, more time trying to put down Kurse, which may end up with them resorting to BFR, and yet more time getting past the aether to Malekith, although he shouldn't be hard to deal with once they get within arms reach. Bruce probably dies, though.

@nightmare52: They could win because of the prep of Ironman and his technology along with the magic ability malakith brings to the table.

Batman dies within seconds! I think it could go either Way ^^ but batman is for sure the first one who dies

Trinity wins while bruce watches

Malekith solos via Reality Stone