MCU Team (Netflix/SHIELD) vs MCU Thor

Not familiar with Ghost Rider but given how his fights look everyone here is completely fodderized.

Hive, absorbing man, or ghost rider solos

Fair enough.

@DammeFavour said:

@sirfizzwhizz: marvel has released guidebooks for most of the movies

Thanks mate, that settles the argument then.

Despite the fact that people lowball Thor, he still destroys everyone here. No one has shown the ability to put him down. His output firepower is too much especially with the variety he can bring. No one here is soloing Thor. And everyone will get put down before they realize it.

Probably, that´s why Hive would be a game changer, although I did make a thread a while back on "Hive vs Iron Man" and everybody supported Iron Man, so who knows.

I think IM would beat Hive due to his armor and its seals. Parasytes be useless.

If the Parasites can eat through Thor´s skin, they can eat through Tony´s armor as well.

Not the same really. Thor can be cut by blades and such, Tony suit would not get pierced by Loki's Dagger or any Asgardian with a sword ever. Also Organic tissue is VERY different to Metal, no matter the density of said tissue.

You are comparing very different substances. Also Parasites can enter the orifices (Mouth, Ears, Nose, ect) to attack squishy insides and blood directly. Not the case with IM.

You don´t know if Tony´s suit wouldn´t be pierced by Loki´s dagger, it´s merely an assumption, it pierced someone more durable so I don´t see why it wouldn´t pierce his armor.

The second paragraph is true though.

Tony's armour is inorganic, the parasites would be ineffectual, and Tony doesn't need to get anywhere near Hive to take him out with lasers. Neither does Thor. Just because his parasites can degrade some types of cell, it doesn't mean it can do it to all of them, it's not really a one fits all, for example, he flat out states that he couldn't feed on his own kind (Inhumans). I'm unconvinced he could feed on Asgardian cells.

I don´t remember the bold part, I was thinking most of the inhumans followed him because they were afraid of him.

As for the rest, I agree.

@rogueshadow:

Tony's armour is inorganic, the parasites would be innefectual, and Tony doesn't need to get anywhere near Hive to take him out with lasers. Neither does Thor. Just because his parasites can degrade some types of cell, it doesn't mean it can do it to all of them, it's not really a one fits all, for example, he flat out states that he couldn't feed on his own kind (Inhumans). I'm unconvinced he could feed on Asgardian cells.

I dont see why he cannot "feed" on his own kind. more like he wont since he can control them. Still, Thor has no counter to microscopic level attacks on his body or his insides. At all.

Add to this Kree are comparable to Asgardians, and Hive worked fine on Kree Reapers.

After all, all these guys are Kree, and Reapers are the deadliest and strongest, I think the durability and strength feats of these beings MATCH any Asgardian on screen mate.

@thor_parker82: @sirfizzwhizz:

In 3x12 he says:

"I cannot inhabit Inhumans. We cannot feed on our own kind."

It's possible he meant he won't but it didn't seem like it. Hive is part Kree and part Human though, so it makes sense that he can degrade their tissues/flesh, I don't recall any evidence to suggest he can do it to all organic matter. The Kree Reapers will also be far less durable than Thor on a cellular level. It's something of a NLF to assume he can do it to somebody vastly more durable than the Kree. I'm just not convinced he could degrade the completely alien cytoarchitecture of Asgardians, let alone Thor. Just because he can degrade one species, it doesn't mean it can do it to all species.

@rogueshadow: Proof Thor is more durable than the next Asgardian? Loki vs Hulk example not counting since Loki is half frost giant. I mean, Thor almost died from a free fall from the Helicarrier in Loki prison lmao. That was stated to kill him. Your overrating Thor tissue here.

As for Kree, all the Kree I showed above match Sif in every way, and then some. Hive atentheir flesh easy. Also the Inhuman is clearly stated he cannot inhabit them. He cannot possess there body or Kree it seems. Not the same as killing them if he wanted.

Also still no counter for attacking Thors insides anyway.

Thor's survived stuff like the Sokovia explosion, the Bifrost explosion, being in the epicentre of Malekith's Aether, blows from the Hulk, etc. None of the Asgardians or Kree have shown feats close to him.

It's not just about the durability though, the average Asgardian is roughly equal to the average Kree, I agree with that, but their physiology is completely different, Hive's parasites being able to degrade, infect or generally impact one organism doesn't mean he can do it to all species, that's not how it works, the structure of their cell makeup is completely different. For example; just because Kilgrave's virus can affect humans, we can't assume it affects other species.

He doesn't just say he can't inhabit them; he says he cannot feed on them, which was what he needed to do to rejuvenate Ward's decaying body. Malick misunderstood him. It was Gideon who thought he wanted a new host, Hive was saying he needs to feed, but that he can't feed on Inhumans.

@rogueshadow: the Aether was not even that impressive at all. I mean, normal earth metal poles with sensitive tech built in them tank the Aether. Hulk is a great blunt force feat. Just Blunt resistance though. The explosions you mention were meh. Sokovia eplosion was not even a explosive force, but energy through the rock structure. Not a valid or quantifiable to feat to mention. Once again, he was going to die from a falling prison from high altitudes.

Regardless you are using NLF yourself mate. No reason why Thor's living tissue cannot be broken down like the Kree, and less reason why his body cannot be possessed or attacked inside out like Maleks daughter.

Also it states in your quote "I cannot inhabit Inhumans". Your trying so hard to twist the words around to make a case.

Whether you think they are unimpressive or not, they are well above those performed by other Asgardians and Kree.

I'm not trying hard to twist it at all. He only says I cannot inhabit Inhumans because Mallick misconstrues what it is that he wants; he wanted to feed, not inhabit another body and he flat out says he cannot feed on Inhumans. The poles were specifically designed to negate the Aether and the convergence. It's not a NLF, you aren't getting what I'm saying, that's not how it works, his parasites degrading the structural integrity of one species' cell group does not mean they can do the same to another. It's not molecule manipulation or atomisation, it' biological, so the feats cannot be extrapolated.

Agree to disagree. I've made my case.

@rogueshadow: your whole argument does not really make sense when Hive was a weapon for he Kree against other races anyway. What good is a soldier that can ONlY affect Humans and Kree. Bit of a stretch.

Honestly unless you have feats of Asgardians resisting said attack, they cannot.

Hive's purpose was to command the Inhuman army for the Kree.

@thor_parker82: Parasites, esprcially Hive, consumes organisms. Iron-man would beat Hive because his Armor is not organism and he can't consume titanium.

@krleavenger: dude.....hive reshaped the landscape on part of that planet. He doesn't just consume organisms

@DammeFavour: Is there any evidence that he did that using his powers?

@krleavenger: yea....because the planet was deserted

@sirfizzwhizz: There is a big difference between being mad/pissed off and "gone mad." "God mad" implies temporary insanity or blood lust.

@sirfizzwhizz: So you are willing to discount all of Thor's durability feats because they are not quantifiable enough for you? Sure they may not be that easily measured, but they are leagues above the damage output of the team.

And please don't lecture people about misquoting or twisting words when you are doing it yourself. Never was it stated that Thor would die from the fall from the Hellicarrier.

Back on topic the point of wether or not Hive's parasites can affect Thor is effectively mute as he won't have time to do it. With Thor being pissed there is nothing stopping him from spamming lighting from the start. Or one-shorting anyone on the team.

No, the implication was really that the people their ended up wiping themselves out due to Hives influence.

That's because his parasites have a mind control effect on inhumans. So its something special about the inhumans rather than Hive. His ability to consume other life forms is really just him eating stuff. There is no reason to assume he can't do it with all organic matter.

@stahlflamme: He has also spammed lighting against the Chitauri. I agree though that it isn't his go to move, however a hammer throw or hit will still be able to one-shot anyone on the team.

@doofasa said:

Absorbing Man(he automatically absorbs the material he's been hit with if its harder than his body at the time to defend himself) and Hive(regeneration) wouldn't and since Iron Man took a hammer throw Deathlock, Lash and Ghost Rider might also survive. Plus he can only pick-off one at a time.

The rest die easily

@lukehero@jashro44 What are your thoughts you live action junkies? I just finish SHIELD now catching up on Arrow. So much time on my hands at work at times.

I still don't buy the argument that [hive] because he's part Kree and human that he can only degrade those tissues.

He was made by the Kree as a weapon for their wars. By all accounts the Kree are a war loving, belligerent, and Xenophic race.

I could buy him not hurting IM or a Krogan because of the nature of those anatomies, but asgardians and Kree alike a fleshy beings, and Hive mops the floor with fleshies as durable as Kree, who are on par with asgardians.

It would make no sense for them to design biological weapons which were completely ineffective against their enemies, asgardians being among them.

This.

Well Fed Hive should have no problem eating thor for dessert.

@stahlflamme: Do these guys have some kinda awesome durability feats that I've missed/can't remember? Because from what I can recall none of them have tanked or survived even close to the damage output Thor is capable of.

And Thor has taken out multiple opponents with a single hammer throw before, so he may not opt for the one at a time tactic.

Just out of curiosity, do you think Thor could protect himself from Hives parasitic attack in the same way Lash did? Substituting lighting for Lash's energy projection though.

@doofasa: Deathlock was blown up in a huge explosion, before he even became a cyborg and survived, Lash tanked Daisys earthquakes to the chest and Ghost Rider is Ghost Rider.

Thor gets overwhelmed. Hive, Daisy, Lash, and Robbie are MVPs.

Thor one-shots everyone.

thor stomps.