MCU Daisy Johnson runs CW ladies gauntlet

In this battle, Daisy Johnson of SHIELD will run a gauntlet of ladies from the CWverse, how far can she make it?

MCU Daisy.

Daisy is depowered for this fight.

All CW fighters are unarmed unless otherwise stated

Fight takes place in an empty room. Starting distance is 20 feet

All are in character. Victory by ko

Round 1: Artemis

Round 2: Dinah Drake (depowered)

Round 3: Laurel Lance

Round 4: Nyssa al Ghul

Round 5: Thea Queen

Round 6: Kendra Saunders (Hawkgirl)

Round 7: Sarah Lance

How far can she make it?

Bump, any thoughts?

Stops at 4. Also, Thea should be above Nyssa, imo.

Yeah I could go either way with them. Thea arguably has better feats than Nyssa, but storyline wise I feel like Nyssa should be above Thea, plus I have Laurel and Thea roughly equal, and I would think Nyssa's above Laurel

But I might switch it up

How do you think Daisy would do against Nyssa?

I think May should beat Nyssa in a h2h. Hard for me to gauge Daisy in comparison to May. Where do you think Daisy stands in comparison to May?

May should be better than Daisy, but part of the problem is, Daisy's been getting significantly more h2h scenes this season than May. I don't see Daisy surpassing May anytime soon, but the gap is much smaller than last time they fought back in S2

She is top notch shooter in gun play. But in H2H thea stops her

Kendra should not be that high.

Has a chance to clear, honestly.

Kendra's tricky, but she does have the slightly superhuman stats, and by the end of Legends S1 she was pretty good, way better than at the beginning

Any reasons for Thea stopping her?

@arcus1: thea got trained by malcom and thea impressed me more in h2h. But if daisy has her pistol thea gets john-wicked

Way better might be overselling it. Aside from keeping up with pre-Ollie-levels Vandal, she doesn't have that many feats.

Technically, she's got a couple wins over future Savage, beat Hawkman (when she didn't know who she was fighting and he'd lost his memory and stuff-hard to tell how that made him as a fighter)

She's kinda hard to figure, but she does have some nice feats

Stops at 7 or clears. She has shown to be consistently great at h2h. She's trained by May and Ward. And I can assume she continues to train almost every day at the base. She has feats against physically enhanced opponents.

Everyone here has shown h2h skill

Being trained by May and Ward doesn't really mean anything, I could name people who trained the CW people too.

Everyone here has been shown training as often as Daisy, or gaining more combat experience through actual fights

Hawkgirl is a physically enhanced opponent, and Sara also has feats against superhumans. Laurel actually does too (from her crossover with Vixen)

Not getting past Thea quite yet.

Stops at Laurel...come at me...

Any reasons?

I will...later

Bump, any more thoughts?

I think Kendra should be below Nyssa because Kendra's superhuman strength isn't much more impressive than an LMD. I can see her getting past Thea as Thea's never particularly blown me away but I don't see her winning a majority over Nyssa even though Nyssa hasn't been impressive as of late either.

I don't see how Kendra's strength relative to an LMD is relevant when comparing her to Nyssa

Why do you think Nyssa stops her?

@rbt: No. Nyssa beats Thea too death.

Current Sara going off the clips, since I dont watch legends, can take merlyn with minor effort. This is too much even for Daisy. That's where Daisy stops. She beats everyone else though. She is vicious as hell and durable to boot.

@arcus1: Well I was trying to get at the fact that Kendra skill wise I think is way below Daisy and someone mentioned Kendra has superhuman strength but it didn't strike me as anything mindblowing Daisy was able to dish out and take hits from LMD Mace so I don't think Kendra will overpower her. And if I'm being honest Nyssa isn't that impressive I'm just going off how good she should be having trained Sara.

Her skill's kinda hard to figure tbh, but between training with Sara and unlocking memories of her past lives she's got some good moves

However, Daisy does have feats against superhuman opponents like the Mace LMD to help balance it out

Yeah Nyssa's tough to place too, it is important to remember that she's not responsible for current Sara's abilities (since Sara's improved significantly during her time with Legends)

I wanna say clears just because of how much I hate arrow wank

lol, Arrow characters do get overrated sometimes, but they do have solid feats

Do you actually think she clears?

Why do you think she stops at Laurel?

How do people think the Laurel, Thea, Nyssa ordering should go? Cause I'm open to switching that up, most likely would be moving Thea above Nyssa (though personally I think Laurel's about even with Thea)

Cause I've got em, some gifs of Daisy in action

vs Mace's LMD, with superhuman strength

@arcus1: Laurel has done better when facing main characters in CQC. Look at both of their records. Also Laurel has better physicals.

@arcus1: I haven't seen the latest episode of AOS so I can't comment on your first gif, but the 2nd gif is meaningless because it happened in a mental simulation. It's mind over matter...

How many main characters has Laurel faced? And what makes her physicals better?

You mean the one with Coulson? Maybe, but her being a bit more skilled than Coulson is not inconsistent with the way they've been portrayed lately

@arcus1: Ehhhhhh(on the 2nd part)

I'll wait to watch the lasetest episode though.

Laurel has faced a good number her best fight being when she beat Vertigo while drugged with Vertigo...

I'm on a phone I might come back and make a longer post later.

Yeah, Vertigo's always hard to evaluate, beating him usually has more to do with overcoming the effects of the drug than anything

This episode has a solid fight for her, maybe one of her best

@arcus1: I'll comment with a longer post after I watch.

Cool

For the record, it's nice to see someone who actually thinks Laurel's capable, usually everyone just says she sucks

@arcus1: That's cause she did used to suck...but she was good before being killed ;(

Yeah she kinda did, but I think she improved more than people often give her credit for

The framework was specifically designed as a way for combat training. It would not make sense for the fighting abilities to be different from the real world.

@stahlflamme: It's a video game sparring match and the framework they were using was still just a training sim. It's not the same thing as being in life or death combat. It's meaningless.

@lukehero: So, training renders a person's skill moot?

@angeljax: Pro Boxers have lost to their sparring partners. The Dream team lost to a college team during a training game...yeah especially since the character in the fight Colouson said it would have gone different in the real world. Also not wanting to actually hurt your opponent has a direct effect on the way you fight.

@angeljax: I'll put it this way Storm beat Wolverine during a training session. But if a make a thread of Storm vs Wolverine pure CQC no weather attacks...who do you think would actually win?

@lukehero: Looks like you are the rare specimen that has not watched matrix.

@stahlflamme: Funny cause Mopherues literally tells Neo it's mind over matter: "Do you think that's air you're breathing?"

Stops at Thea probably

She easily clears.

@lukehero: And how did that fight thing go?

Thea is more or less Malcolm's equal. I don't think Thea would loose to Nyssa.

Eh, I'm not convinced about Thea being equal to Malcolm. For one thing, it wouldn't make any sort of sense, and I don't think she has the feats outside of her fights with Malcolm (where it's questionable how much either of them were holding back) to be on his level

After rewatching their fights from that episode, I believe that, in addition to both of them holding back to some degree, Malcolm was testing Thea to see if she still had her bloodlust. When he was satisfied that she didn't in the second encounter, he quickly disarmed her and beat her

Is she closer to that level than Nyssa? Maybe. But is she equal to Malcolm? I don't believe so