Marvel God and Heaven vs Marvel Asgard and Odin.

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@kellar21: No the biblical marvel god is not the TOAA. That would be Stan Lee

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#102  Edited By isaac_clarke

@isaac_clarke: Well thats the problem right there. You see no Difference but there is a VAST Difference in Feats and Power of Blaze to Alehendra, and then from Blaze to Zarathos.

Your using a feat for 2 Different GRs as the same?

Blaze was not KO, Alehendra chick was and she had crappy showings as Thunder Strike to thor.

Different characters and her feats were low.

Also Zarathos WAS NOT KOed. How can you say it will KO Zarathos when it merley KO the Host?

Blaze

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See the difference in KO level here?

The problem these Rider's are sporting the same source of power - the exact same. Arguably Alehendra was Blaze's superior in it's use to boot. Masterson is just another character that picked up the hammer, to gain what was supposed to be Thor's power - but at the end of the day couldn't even handle fighting non-armed Thor one on one with the hammer in tow.

Regardless I'm running off Ghost Riders appearances even before Alehendra, which honestly didn't come off as entirely inconsistent to hers. Magic was not only successful in binding him, but killing him.

Blaze wasn't KOed in the Strange incident, both of them thought he was dead - till he revived himself chaining Strange (so much for personal shielding) up and using penance stare - the entire situation was narrated by him to boot. Zarathos actually does take control in WWH, but not sure if that really means much since the Hulk in that series was also getting his skin pealed off by optic blasts from Cyclops and he's never had much of a tolerance to extreme heat - much less magic / divine fire.

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The problem these Rider's are sporting the same source of power - the exact same. Arguably Alehendra was Blaze's superior in it's use to boot. Masterson is just another character that picked up the hammer, to gain what was supposed to be Thor's power - but at the end of the day couldn't even handle fighting non-armed Thor one on one with the hammer in tow.

Regardless I'm running off Ghost Riders appearances even before Alehendra, which honestly didn't come off as entirely inconsistent to hers. Magic was not only successful in binding him, but killing him.

Blaze wasn't KOed in the Strange incident, both of them thought he was dead - till he revived himself chaining Strange (so much for personal shielding) up and using penance stare - the entire situation was narrated by him to boot. Zarathos actually does take control in WWH, but not sure if that really means much since the Hulk in that series was also getting his skin pealed off by optic blasts from Cyclops and he's never had much of a tolerance to extreme heat - much less magic / divine fire.

So your argument is base on same source? Who cares? I dont, it means nothing. Thats like saying I cannot put out a house fire with a Garden Hose, so a Fire Hose will fail as well.

It all comes from the same source of Water Pipes.

Your Argument makes no sense to me right there.

Different Levels of power. The Hammer KOed a lower Power Level. Never shown the ability to KO a Hell Lord level Power.

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#104  Edited By isaac_clarke

@cadencev2 said:

It all comes from the same source of Water Pipes.

Your Argument makes no sense to me right there.

Different Levels of power. The Hammer KOed a lower Power Level. Never shown the ability to KO a Hell Lord level Power.

That would be a distortion of what I meant. What power Blaze had was transferred to the new Rider - it's a little different than the amount of water you can get from a fire-hydrant compared to that of your sink. In this case it's two hoses, one a different brand - but both plugged into the same water source in the back yard.

Hell lords are godly inconsistent as is, Thor's fought a good measure of them and was more or less stalemating Hela with the Twilight Sword one on one.

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@isaac_clarke: You miss my point.

The Garden Hose is Alexandra whats her face Rider.

The Fire Hose is Zarathos.

Thats the same Source but different levels of power and Control.

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#106  Edited By isaac_clarke

@isaac_clarke: You miss my point.

The Garden Hose is Alexandra whats her face Rider.

The Fire Hose is Zarathos.

Thats the same Source but different levels of power and Control.

The point was somehow Zarathos being in different vessels somehow excuses low showings where it doesn't revive the host and own his opponent. This discussion is pointless anyhow in regards to the actual thread. Since the powers of Mjolnir or a spirit of vengeance don't make much of a case for the characters that empower either.

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#107  Edited By Pokergeist

Just got some solid scans from another user of God direct appearance in Howard the Duck. Explains who he is and his role in the Marvel Universe. He help create the Marvel Universe/Multiverse it states lol. Anyway scans are in spoiler block in OP now.

According to Howard the Duck he is Sky Father level.

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@kellar21 said:

Isn't this TOAA we are talking about?You know the one who is LT's boss?Or am I horribly mistaken?

of course you're mistaken lol. We're talking about the skyfather God, not stan lee..

Odin seems to have a lot better feats here, so I'm still with him.

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Marvel Biblical God = Beyonder

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Beyonder curbstomp.

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#110  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

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Marvel Biblical God = Beyonder

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Beyonder curbstomp.

uh. there's a koran, a cross, a Buddha there.. so which one is he?

If his feats belong to all Gods then they don't make a difference.

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@hulkman123 said:

Marvel Biblical God = Beyonder

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Beyonder curbstomp.

uh. there's a koran, a cross, a Buddha there.. so which one is he?

If his feats belong to all Gods then they don't make a difference.

I was just joking, although Beyonder would blink stomp Odin, if this was Beyonder vs Odin.

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@princearagorn1 said:

@hulkman123 said:

Marvel Biblical God = Beyonder

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Beyonder curbstomp.

uh. there's a koran, a cross, a Buddha there.. so which one is he?

If his feats belong to all Gods then they don't make a difference.

I was just joking, although Beyonder would blink stomp Odin, if this was Beyonder vs Odin.

I know.. just ruining your joke by being serious :p :p :p

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#113  Edited By New_World_Order

If this is even a contest I say it's seriously a bad move on Marvel's part...

Agreed.

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Biblical god stomps hard.

Inb4thelock.

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#117  Edited By TheTruthIII

Asgard. Comics will be ruined if they delve too deeply into such a controversial topic. Better to stand outside the chasm of religion and play it safe

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#118  Edited By PrinceAragorn1

Odin solos. And iirc marvel doesn't have a biblical God, it's just another spirit pretending to be God as well as Allah. Or something to that effect.

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#119  Edited By 9dragons

@princearagorn1: Yahweh/ Christian god was a skyfather in marvel. His fallen son, Lucifer, one of the greatest archangels also made numerous appearances in marvel. During the Chaos War, Lucifer and the last bastion of heaven attempt to fend off Amatsu-Mikaboshi after he had consumed countless realms, including christian heaven and hell. Chaos King defeated Lucifer, stripped of his powers and slaughtered him without mercy.

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Marvels Biblical God and Heaven vs Marvel Odin and Asgard.

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Who is Marvel Biblical God? Feats and Heaven Forces Below.

We know a Jesus Type Character easily forced Mephisto to leave Blaze Alone for a short time.

Its never stated to be Jesus, God, or a Angel. The effect of this Clear Holy character is proven to beat back a winning Mephisto with presence alone.

Well we know some of his feats in creation.

Biblical God in Son of Satan was shown to created Earth. According to this Alantean Chick of well known power, the Earth God created is what holds the Universe intact.

Howard the Duck met God himself, who explained he help create the Marvel Universe as a job for a higher power. This means he did create Earth and the Heavens. Means he was around before the Elder Gods and Odin himself!

We know Lucifer here is way below Gods power and casted out.

We know God Throne gave Zadkiel the power over Creation in time.

This is all Biblical God place and achievements. We know Jews, Muslims, Christians, and even Buddhist worship him.

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We know the Ghost Riders who are all Hell Lord Level were created by God.

We know God created a whole Mini Universe for his Ghost Rider Spirits and the Damn. He created Heaven. He (as the scan from Son of Satan) created Earth and the Cosmic Balance worth of it. Makes sense to me why Earth is so unique now.

God Created the Black Host that nearly equals a Ghost Riders.

This is a Fallen Angel that was proven in a straight fight more than Blaze could Handle. He was the Seraphim that guarded the Gates of Heaven and Access to the Afterlife base on sins.

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We know God Has Created Angels like Uriel here who is Equal to the Galaxy Buster Mephisto. Just 1 Angel!

God also made Ruth here. a Powerful Angel who shows in order. Super Strength, Super durability, Mind Control, and can even a Force Field.

As well the many Other Lesser Angels.

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As well All the Ghost Riders. A lot of Ghost Riders.

Who wins with all the forces against each other?

As for as God meets Howard the Duck, what a bunch of malarkey!!!

1. Yahweh is not even mentioned once in the New Testament. Yahweh is a term written in Hebrew and it is typically a term used by Jews and not Christians. So, mixing Jesus Christ with the term Yahweh makes no sense.

2. The Howard the Duck issue was a satire issue and not real. Logically, it does not make sense because, if a person believes in God then the only reference to him are in the "Holy Books". In this satire issue each "Holy Book" was debunked false by "God" that talks to Howard, which if true then every "Holy Book" is false, which means...

Then there is no Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah, Buda, etc. Why, because the only reference to them are in the same debunked "Holy Books" that this God character was talking about!!!!

The writer who wrote the Howard the Duck issue is clearly an Atheist, which I don't have an issue with. However, we have other issues where God is clearly mentioned, where God creates the world, man and everything else.

Again, you can't go by one satire issue where a character that none of the "holy Books" are real and he himself mentioned ONLY by these same "Holy Books".

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3. No man, I repeat no man has ever seen God and that includes animals. So to have a character representing God in a bar talking to others is plain stupid.

God never faced Howard the Duck, God never faced any earthling. When God had a message to be sent he did it through an Angel. The only person God had a conversation was with Moses and even that was through a burning bush and the result of that encounter was Moses rapidly grew old.

4. But the stupid does not end there, we have this character state the "Holy Books" are false, but he is working on a screenplay??? Really is any reasonable person taking this serious??? Pure Satire!!!

5. God says he has to walk off the carbonation of a drink???

6. How about Jesus with the crown of thorns and shirtless in a bar? To take this serious a person would have to be needing help!!!

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7. More stupid nonsense. God marrying a girl??? Girl leaving God because of his drinking and age???

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8. On another note, we are to believe that Odin is on the same level are higher than God??? Odin can die, his wife Frigga died, Odin died, God can't die.

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9. God is Love and he alone is the All-Powerful...

10. God made the world, the Host of Heaven, Michael, Lucifer and then EVERYTHING else...

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11. Look at Thor's comments "We refer to our own "Gods as those that who sit above in shadow".

12. And of course when the Ghost Riders were battling the Arch-Angel Zadkiel in the true Heaven ...

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